Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[nykballa2k4]

I’m not sure how you can say it’s because of racism he’s not in the league. There are several international players in the league. Maybe it’s because he’s not as good as he started off being? He can’t stay healthy? He’s high profile to an extant and not worth the drama?

Lin has to be the worst tear jerker I've ever seen. He's spent a long time cultivating this image and narrative that he's just the good little kid sleeping on Landry Fields couch. And if you don't want him on your team it's because you don't like Asians. Gimme a break. He lucked out because he joined a team who's coach was a pg centric coach who wanted to stick it to the star player the coach didn't want. Both in turn were dismissed and then the Knicks not only finished that current season with an 18&6 record without the both of them but the next season had the second beat record in the East. Good riddance.

The worst part about the Lin experience was his stans. They made every message board unbearable! Lin could do no wrong. Melo is the problem. It became so divisive and toxic. I don’t miss it at all.

My point is that right now Lin is better than Elf. Not a high bar, I know, but he is not even being given consideration when guy like Elf, Augustine etc are still on rosters.

If he was Steph Curry, no one would have any problems. he is not though.

If Lin were anything other than Asian, and if he was not a popular player, he would be on an NBA roster. Because he is viewed as a) Asian (he himself experienced guys saying racist things all last year on the court) and b) because his Linsanity reputation precedes him and c) he isn't a top 20 point guard.

[TheGreenArrow]

Not a Sexton defense.

But this FO has been mostly willing to give Thibs the kind of players he likes.
Luckily, it's within reason and we heard of an instance of pushback (https://nypost.com/2021/03/09/how-leon-rose-rebuilt-the-knicks-an-inside-look/)

But, between Elf (Ugh) and Rose (Yay!) we can see what kind of PG Thibs has preference for.

Gets to the rim
Can organize the offense - to an extent. Floor maestro not necessary.
Looks to score
Some height
Tries on defense

SGA would seem to be the player that best fits that description. He's also not that available.
Sexton checks some boxes.

Anyway, we should all understand Thibs is going to push for another PG with those attributes because Rose can't really average more than 20 mpg, on the whole.

After that, it's about the various voices in the Knicks FO, where probably Ball has advocates, Sexton, Conley and Lowry. Maybe even CP3, and possibly Lillard, though I would think it would take the collective abilities of the FO braintrust to figure how to even make that happen, and then make a useful team happen after - not very likely, but that's my opinion.

That’s Collin Sexton to the T!!!!!!!!!!

[TheGreenArrow]

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Get it done Leon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thebuzzardman]

Not a Sexton defense.

But this FO has been mostly willing to give Thibs the kind of players he likes.
Luckily, it's within reason and we heard of an instance of pushback (https://nypost.com/2021/03/09/how-leon-rose-rebuilt-the-knicks-an-inside-look/)

But, between Elf (Ugh) and Rose (Yay!) we can see what kind of PG Thibs has preference for.

Gets to the rim
Can organize the offense - to an extent. Floor maestro not necessary.
Looks to score
Some height
Tries on defense

SGA would seem to be the player that best fits that description. He's also not that available.
Sexton checks some boxes.

Anyway, we should all understand Thibs is going to push for another PG with those attributes because Rose can't really average more than 20 mpg, on the whole.

After that, it's about the various voices in the Knicks FO, where probably Ball has advocates, Sexton, Conley and Lowry. Maybe even CP3, and possibly Lillard, though I would think it would take the collective abilities of the FO braintrust to figure how to even make that happen, and then make a useful team happen after - not very likely, but that's my opinion.

That’s Collin Sexton to the T!!!!!!!!!!

Lacking height, if we assume height or switchability on defense is a Thibs requirement.

But there are but a few players who would check every box.

[thebuzzardman]

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Get it done Leon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know if he's just talking\tweeting on his own, but the Knicks FO - really all of them, so I guess I could say "MSG basketball", tends to kind of prepare the mindspace of the fans before they make a move they can make.


Not advocating for the move, though I don't think it's a bad move, but kind of have the feeling they are tactically leaking information to various beat people because the trade has already been agreed to behind the scenes.

Or, again, could be BT just pontificating.

But in general, getting that vibe.

Maybe Cleveland FO too. They are "considering offers" but maybe really already have to agreement in place, and it's a little move to placate Sexton fans on the team that "trades were explored" and they got "best possible offer"

[Chanel Bomber]

a team with sexton, rj and randle won't be good offensively. none of them are perimeter focused. it's a bad trio together. if you really want sexton, you should get rid of 1 of the other two.

That was my point of the thread I created a few weeks ago.

Having two inefficient scorers in our line-up (RJ and Randle) who are not rim-runners really hurts our offense. It inevitably puts a ceiling on this team.

I just don't like the fit. It's not that they can't co-exist, it's just that the addition of both players makes it incredibly difficult to have a potent offense.

Ideally, the front office would trade one of the two. I personally think Randle is harder to build around, and we have a replacement in Obi, so I would trade Julius before RJ. I don't think the FO will trade either though.

So, here's the plan:

- Trade for Sexton
- Don't extend Randle before the season starts
- See how the season goes
- Decide to trade Randle or let him expire, decide to sign Sexton or not (likely they would after giving up around 3 assets) and see if there is any clarification on RJ's development path.
- Pursue other max cat, either to put with Randle\Sexton\RJ or in place of Randle, or even RJ


I'm not sure I agree about the offense.
It wasn't that bad even when it played at a slow pace and dragging around boat anchor Elf for half the game and relying on one dimensional Bullocks as the 3rd option.

Also, getting Sexton enables the Knicks to pursue a max cat the following season, with or without Randle.

I swear. All of you act like all the moves to make the team elite need to happen all at once, immediately.

I don't think the moves need to happen all at once, I'm just very skeptical of the foundation.

Building around a core that really has no chance (in my view) is kind of a waste of time. Although the bar has been set so low for this franchise that first-round exits are being marketed as success.

Our offense was average in the regular season against teams that didn't have the time to seriously gameplan against us. It was completely exposed in the playoffs.

I personally trust neither Thibs nor the personnel to turn this core into a serious contender, as long as both RJ and Julius are on the team, let alone with Thibs being so inflexible about playing a rim protector at all times. I think there's something fundamentally wrong with this core that will put a ceiling on any success they might experience. I hope I'm wrong.

PS: also losing Randle for nothing would be a disaster.

[SelbyCobra]

What's funny is that I have a vivid memory of Tierney being the voice I was listening to right after the Marbury deal went down. He was euphoric and it was a very enjoyable, happy several hours of talk radio.

[KnixinSix]

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Facts bt facts!!!!!!!!!!!

Get it done Leon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know if he's just talking\tweeting on his own, but the Knicks FO - really all of them, so I guess I could say "MSG basketball", tends to kind of prepare the mindspace of the fans before they make a move they can make.


Not advocating for the move, though I don't think it's a bad move, but kind of have the feeling they are tactically leaking information to various beat people because the trade has already been agreed to behind the scenes.

Or, again, could be BT just pontificating.

But in general, getting that vibe.

Maybe Cleveland FO too. They are "considering offers" but maybe really already have to agreement in place, and it's a little move to placate Sexton fans on the team that "trades were explored" and they got "best possible offer"

OK, but does Sexton attract another superstar here like Dame would?

I would rather bring in Lillard if it meant we ended up with another top star wanting to come on board too vs. some Sexton/Lonzo/Oubre combination. Teams 'gut' their teams for the Superstars and they often end up winning the whole thing or getting to the finals. You use the MLE and vet mins for the ring chasers. There are ways around the soft cap and the championship teams have been doing it for years now.

[KnixinSix]

Not a Sexton defense.

But this FO has been mostly willing to give Thibs the kind of players he likes.
Luckily, it's within reason and we heard of an instance of pushback (https://nypost.com/2021/03/09/how-leon-rose-rebuilt-the-knicks-an-inside-look/)

But, between Elf (Ugh) and Rose (Yay!) we can see what kind of PG Thibs has preference for.

Gets to the rim
Can organize the offense - to an extent. Floor maestro not necessary.
Looks to score
Some height
Tries on defense

SGA would seem to be the player that best fits that description. He's also not that available.
Sexton checks some boxes.

Anyway, we should all understand Thibs is going to push for another PG with those attributes because Rose can't really average more than 20 mpg, on the whole.

After that, it's about the various voices in the Knicks FO, where probably Ball has advocates, Sexton, Conley and Lowry. Maybe even CP3, and possibly Lillard, though I would think it would take the collective abilities of the FO braintrust to figure how to even make that happen, and then make a useful team happen after - not very likely, but that's my opinion.

SGA is an incredible fit for what Thibs looks for. Lonzo is missing the shooting part but is a few rungs better than Payton in that department and has all the other ingredients.

I'd trade both 21 picks and the Mavs 23 pick for SGA, but OKC already has 433 picks in the next 6 years and doesn't need them

All depends on what their plan is. They may want to stockpile picks short terms and see how many homegrown elite players they can get all on a similar timeline.

[KnixinSix]

That was my point of the thread I created a few weeks ago.

Having two inefficient scorers in our line-up (RJ and Randle) who are not rim-runners really hurts our offense. It inevitably puts a ceiling on this team.

I just don't like the fit. It's not that they can't co-exist, it's just that the addition of both players makes it incredibly difficult to have a potent offense.

Ideally, the front office would trade one of the two. I personally think Randle is harder to build around, and we have a replacement in Obi, so I would trade Julius before RJ. I don't think the FO will trade either though.

So, here's the plan:

- Trade for Sexton
- Don't extend Randle before the season starts
- See how the season goes
- Decide to trade Randle or let him expire, decide to sign Sexton or not (likely they would after giving up around 3 assets) and see if there is any clarification on RJ's development path.
- Pursue other max cat, either to put with Randle\Sexton\RJ or in place of Randle, or even RJ


I'm not sure I agree about the offense.
It wasn't that bad even when it played at a slow pace and dragging around boat anchor Elf for half the game and relying on one dimensional Bullocks as the 3rd option.

Also, getting Sexton enables the Knicks to pursue a max cat the following season, with or without Randle.

I swear. All of you act like all the moves to make the team elite need to happen all at once, immediately.

I don't think the moves need to happen all at once, I'm just very skeptical of the foundation.

Building around a core that really has no chance (in my view) is kind of a waste of time. Although the bar has been set so low for this franchise that first-round exits are being marketed as success.

Our offense was average in the regular season against teams that didn't have the time to seriously gameplan against us. It was completely exposed in the playoffs.

I personally trust neither Thibs nor the personnel to turn this core into a serious contender, as long as both RJ and Julius are on the team, let alone with Thibs being so inflexible about playing a rim protector at all times. I think there's something fundamentally wrong with this core that will put a ceiling on any success they might experience. I hope I'm wrong.

PS: also losing Randle for nothing would be a disaster.

That absolutely could be one of their plans. But I'd bet that is Plan B or C with Plan A being Lillard and another star. However if it doesn't work out I could easily see them going the route you are suggesting. Maybe even Sexton and going for SGA. Or Sexton and some Lonzo/Oubre combination.

[rajajackal]

i disagree that we need to gut our team to acquire lilliard. it would probably require choosing between him and randle, but the trend has been that trading for a player who wants out is getting cheaper and cheaper

[Billy Goat]

Sexton is a ball hog. Not a good player. Would be a terrible move.

[TheGreenArrow]

Sexton is a ball hog. Not a good player. Would be a terrible move.

Totally disagree!!!!!!!!!

Thibs would turn him into a all star!!!!!!!!

[8516knicks]

Sexton is a ball hog. Not a good player. Would be a terrible move.

Totally disagree!!!!!!!!!

Thibs would turn him into a all star!!!!!!!!

I've read he wasn't popular with Cav teammates. And if he's so good and young, why's he on the trade table?

[TheGreenArrow]

Sexton is a ball hog. Not a good player. Would be a terrible move.

Totally disagree!!!!!!!!!

Thibs would turn him into a all star!!!!!!!!

I've read he wasn't popular with Cav teammates. And if he's so good and young, why's he on the trade table?

I blame the cavs!!!!!

Look at kpjr with the rockets!!!!!!!!!

Dude turned it around as soon as he became part of at least a cohesive environment!!!!!!!!!!

Thibs a and co would turn Sexton into a young upcoming star!!!!!!!

[Marty McFly]

I totally understand the love for Sexton, (our PG is history is rated R.) my biggest issue with him is that he's going to get paid soon. as is Randle. and soon after that RJ. ya'll really think a core of Sexton, Randle and RJ is going to win this team a championship? Is that not the goal?

It just doesn't make much sense to me especially with this draft having so many combo guards. If the trade happens, I really hope I'm wrong though.

[SelbyCobra]

Sexton unquestionably has risk with his height, play style, rumored personality, and contract status.

At the same time there's a ton of reason to believe in the potential of a big developmental arc still ahead considering his production, efficiency, pedigree, age, work ethic, health, and the situation in Cleveland.

[thebuzzardman]

That was my point of the thread I created a few weeks ago.

Having two inefficient scorers in our line-up (RJ and Randle) who are not rim-runners really hurts our offense. It inevitably puts a ceiling on this team.

I just don't like the fit. It's not that they can't co-exist, it's just that the addition of both players makes it incredibly difficult to have a potent offense.

Ideally, the front office would trade one of the two. I personally think Randle is harder to build around, and we have a replacement in Obi, so I would trade Julius before RJ. I don't think the FO will trade either though.

So, here's the plan:

- Trade for Sexton
- Don't extend Randle before the season starts
- See how the season goes
- Decide to trade Randle or let him expire, decide to sign Sexton or not (likely they would after giving up around 3 assets) and see if there is any clarification on RJ's development path.
- Pursue other max cat, either to put with Randle\Sexton\RJ or in place of Randle, or even RJ


I'm not sure I agree about the offense.
It wasn't that bad even when it played at a slow pace and dragging around boat anchor Elf for half the game and relying on one dimensional Bullocks as the 3rd option.

Also, getting Sexton enables the Knicks to pursue a max cat the following season, with or without Randle.

I swear. All of you act like all the moves to make the team elite need to happen all at once, immediately.

I don't think the moves need to happen all at once, I'm just very skeptical of the foundation.

Building around a core that really has no chance (in my view) is kind of a waste of time. Although the bar has been set so low for this franchise that first-round exits are being marketed as success.

Our offense was average in the regular season against teams that didn't have the time to seriously gameplan against us. It was completely exposed in the playoffs.

I personally trust neither Thibs nor the personnel to turn this core into a serious contender, as long as both RJ and Julius are on the team, let alone with Thibs being so inflexible about playing a rim protector at all times. I think there's something fundamentally wrong with this core that will put a ceiling on any success they might experience. I hope I'm wrong.

PS: also losing Randle for nothing would be a disaster.

You see nothing good about the core, yet losing Randle is a disaster. That's kind of humorous.

I mean, of course they should capture some assets if he's going, but that would mean taking some salary back.


Anyway, essentially what you are saying is, RJ, Randle, IQ and Mitch are ass, so Knicks should just tear it all down and tank, since there isn't any path to competing with them.

I mean, take away Sexton, who would form such a sh*t core, and you are left with Randle and RJ and IQ, and since they aren't compelling, Knicks should just do the OKC and trade everyone for picks. You know. If anyone will have them.

[prophet_of_rage]

Lin has to be the worst tear jerker I've ever seen. He's spent a long time cultivating this image and narrative that he's just the good little kid sleeping on Landry Fields couch. And if you don't want him on your team it's because you don't like Asians. Gimme a break. He lucked out because he joined a team who's coach was a pg centric coach who wanted to stick it to the star player the coach didn't want. Both in turn were dismissed and then the Knicks not only finished that current season with an 18&6 record without the both of them but the next season had the second beat record in the East. Good riddance.

The worst part about the Lin experience was his stans. They made every message board unbearable! Lin could do no wrong. Melo is the problem. It became so divisive and toxic. I don’t miss it at all.

My point is that right now Lin is better than Elf. Not a high bar, I know, but he is not even being given consideration when guy like Elf, Augustine etc are still on rosters.

If he was Steph Curry, no one would have any problems. he is not though.

If Lin were anything other than Asian, and if he was not a popular player, he would be on an NBA roster. Because he is viewed as a) Asian (he himself experienced guys saying racist things all last year on the court) and b) because his Linsanity reputation precedes him and c) he isn't a top 20 point guard.

What is Hachimura's experience? Yao Ming's? Watanabe's experience right now?

Part of Lin not being on a roster is he is simply a teaching vet at this point.

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[thebuzzardman]

Remember, it's not how great Sexton is, though he addresses Knick needs. It's that he can be obtained for relatively cheaply, and there is still a path to getting a max cat next year.

That wouldn't be the case with what CP3, Conley or Lowry are asking for in $ and years.

So what is the alternative?

Sign Ball and the only guy on the team who can create his own layup with a pick is geriatric Rose?

Gut the team for Lillard and sign Kawhi and his degenerative hip?

Some fanciful SGA trade where OKC gifts him to the Knicks, even though they have a trillion picks, which is the only thing of value the Knicks have that they can afford to trade? That OKC doesn't even want?

Draft Cooper or Mann or some other unproven rookie to run the point with Rose next year?

Dip into cap space so we can run out a Rose/TJ McConnell PG duo for a couple of years?
- At least with this one there MIGHT be a chance for another max player.


Ah hell, just bring back Elf.