Is Christian Wood Merely a Good Stats/Bad Team Guy?

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Re: Is Christian Wood Merely a Good Stats/Bad Team Guy? 

Post#41 » by Gert42 » Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:03 am

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Pistons' fans, been mentioned on multiple pods, you can do the research if you're interested.


Haha, love it when someone makes a claim, then when asked for a source, says, "go look it up." Great answer.


Its not made up, these were the red flags that made him go undrafted and bounce around to so many teams while being a clear NBA talent. Off the court and maturity issues have always been a concern, that and he doesn’t change the way he plays regardless of his spot in the rotation. I suspect there is probably something else that hasn’t been put in the open but also he was pretty young too. I think pretty clearly he’s not a #1 or probably #2 guy on offense on a good team so he has to be willing and able to be more of a roleplayer.


BTW, these are fair statements. He's been on 6 teams in 5 years and most of those teams were not in a position to get rid of talent if there weren't other circumstances.

Good stats/bad team is always a tough evaluation anyway because most teams would probably want those guys in the right situation.

I don't think Houston should move him, but they also should not change what they do at #2 because of him too.
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Re: Is Christian Wood Merely a Good Stats/Bad Team Guy? 

Post#42 » by BleedGreen1989 » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:31 pm

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Re: Is Christian Wood Merely a Good Stats/Bad Team Guy? 

Post#43 » by Kingshadaine » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:46 pm

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Wood had the opportunity Kuzma had in his rookie season when he averaged 17-18 points per game. Kuzma would look much better in Houston than he does with the Lakers. As with a lot of these things, it’s situational.

I saw another proposed package for Wood with the Kings - Bagley, this years number 9 pick and a future lottery protected 2024 first round pick. I’d much rather have the Lakers’ package personally.


The Lakers' package isn't great. Kuzma is mediocre in spite of playing with LeBron and AD and is making significant money for the next 3 seasons, I'm not sure how you know he will suddenly be better playing for a no talent team like Houston, it actually makes more sense that is production would decline because he isn't surrounded by stars anymore. THT is a guard who can't shoot 3s and hasn't proven anything in the NBA, his numbers in 2 seasons so far are pretty bad, he's a pure potential player to spend years developing. The 22nd pick is by definition a late first round pick. The value of a future first in 2026 or 2027 is a complete mystery assuming the front office is even willing to consider trading yet another future first rounder.

The Kings package you mention is vastly superior, Bagly is probably worth nothing but 9 in this draft is massively more valuable than 22. There are likely even better offers out there, the Warriors would surely consider Wiseman + 7, maybe even Wiseman + 7 + 14 if they are desperate enough because Wood solves one of their biggest problems (big with shooting). The Lakers' package is just not that appealing because it doesn't come with a guaranteed lottery pick.


Personally, I don’t think the Lakers’ package is great either BUT the way the league works it’s not bad. What I mean by that is that THT is overrated and I can see Kuzma becoming a positive value contract on a bad team at $13m - i.e players scoring 16+ at that price is pretty good value when they’re 6ft 8’ and not a bad defender but we’ve all seen he’s a 6th-7th man on a title team at best.

I think you would end up getting more from the Lakers package than the Kings’ in the long term by eventually flipping Kuzma after building up his value and hyping up THT. Houston should be thinking long term here.

I also think Wood is a little overrated, I’d be impressed if he’s putting up 80% of his numbers on a title contending team and a team like the Lakers might not want to give up ALL their remaining assets for a weak third option.


Both packages are horrible honestly, 25 yr old? 20/10? Rockets would rather have GS 7 and 14 and a player to make the salaries match
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Re: Is Christian Wood Merely a Good Stats/Bad Team Guy? 

Post#44 » by Noodlesoop » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:51 pm

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The Lakers' package isn't great. Kuzma is mediocre in spite of playing with LeBron and AD and is making significant money for the next 3 seasons, I'm not sure how you know he will suddenly be better playing for a no talent team like Houston, it actually makes more sense that is production would decline because he isn't surrounded by stars anymore. THT is a guard who can't shoot 3s and hasn't proven anything in the NBA, his numbers in 2 seasons so far are pretty bad, he's a pure potential player to spend years developing. The 22nd pick is by definition a late first round pick. The value of a future first in 2026 or 2027 is a complete mystery assuming the front office is even willing to consider trading yet another future first rounder.

The Kings package you mention is vastly superior, Bagly is probably worth nothing but 9 in this draft is massively more valuable than 22. There are likely even better offers out there, the Warriors would surely consider Wiseman + 7, maybe even Wiseman + 7 + 14 if they are desperate enough because Wood solves one of their biggest problems (big with shooting). The Lakers' package is just not that appealing because it doesn't come with a guaranteed lottery pick.


Personally, I don’t think the Lakers’ package is great either BUT the way the league works it’s not bad. What I mean by that is that THT is overrated and I can see Kuzma becoming a positive value contract on a bad team at $13m - i.e players scoring 16+ at that price is pretty good value when they’re 6ft 8’ and not a bad defender but we’ve all seen he’s a 6th-7th man on a title team at best.

I think you would end up getting more from the Lakers package than the Kings’ in the long term by eventually flipping Kuzma after building up his value and hyping up THT. Houston should be thinking long term here.

I also think Wood is a little overrated, I’d be impressed if he’s putting up 80% of his numbers on a title contending team and a team like the Lakers might not want to give up ALL their remaining assets for a weak third option.


Both packages are horrible honestly, 25 yr old? 20/10? Rockets would rather have GS 7 and 14 and a player to make the salaries match


They’re not great but I’d definitely be tempted to cash in on his value now as its really high following his good play last year and there’s still three years left on a very good contract.
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Re: Is Christian Wood Merely a Good Stats/Bad Team Guy? 

Post#45 » by cjx » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:53 pm

Christian Wood is a unicorn, folks. There's a reason Lillard, Beal and Jerami Grant want to team up in Houston, and his name is Christian M. Wood. Houston Rockets are takin' off next season, folks!
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Re: Is Christian Wood Merely a Good Stats/Bad Team Guy? 

Post#46 » by rtiff68 » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:25 pm

ciueli wrote:
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Christian Wood is that rare multi-positional big man who can stretch the defense with shooting (37.4% from 3 in 2020-21) and averaged nearly 21/10 in 32.3 MPG, he's the kind of player virtually every team in the league is looking for. It's going to take a lot more than Kuzma, Talen Horton-Tucker (who is a free agent and would have to be sign-and-traded) and this year's draft pick (22nd) to get him. Even throwing in a future pick isn't going to entice the Rockets because it so far off in the future the current front office probably won't even be around to use it.


Wood had the opportunity Kuzma had in his rookie season when he averaged 17-18 points per game. Kuzma would look much better in Houston than he does with the Lakers. As with a lot of these things, it’s situational.

I saw another proposed package for Wood with the Kings - Bagley, this years number 9 pick and a future lottery protected 2024 first round pick. I’d much rather have the Lakers’ package personally.


The Lakers' package isn't great. Kuzma is mediocre in spite of playing with LeBron and AD and is making significant money for the next 3 seasons, I'm not sure how you know he will suddenly be better playing for a no talent team like Houston, it actually makes more sense that is production would decline because he isn't surrounded by stars anymore. THT is a guard who can't shoot 3s and hasn't proven anything in the NBA, his numbers in 2 seasons so far are pretty bad, he's a pure potential player to spend years developing. The 22nd pick is by definition a late first round pick. The value of a future first in 2026 or 2027 is a complete mystery assuming the front office is even willing to consider trading yet another future first rounder.

The Kings package you mention is vastly superior, Bagly is probably worth nothing but 9 in this draft is massively more valuable than 22. There are likely even better offers out there, the Warriors would surely consider Wiseman + 7, maybe even Wiseman + 7 + 14 if they are desperate enough because Wood solves one of their biggest problems (big with shooting). The Lakers' package is just not that appealing because it doesn't come with a guaranteed lottery pick.


As a Warriors fan, I would really dislike Wiseman + 7 for Wood.

I would REALLY dislike Wiseman + 7 + 14 for Wood.
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Re: Is Christian Wood Merely a Good Stats/Bad Team Guy? 

Post#47 » by Noodlesoop » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:58 pm

rtiff68 wrote:
ciueli wrote:
Noodlesoop wrote:
Wood had the opportunity Kuzma had in his rookie season when he averaged 17-18 points per game. Kuzma would look much better in Houston than he does with the Lakers. As with a lot of these things, it’s situational.

I saw another proposed package for Wood with the Kings - Bagley, this years number 9 pick and a future lottery protected 2024 first round pick. I’d much rather have the Lakers’ package personally.


The Lakers' package isn't great. Kuzma is mediocre in spite of playing with LeBron and AD and is making significant money for the next 3 seasons, I'm not sure how you know he will suddenly be better playing for a no talent team like Houston, it actually makes more sense that is production would decline because he isn't surrounded by stars anymore. THT is a guard who can't shoot 3s and hasn't proven anything in the NBA, his numbers in 2 seasons so far are pretty bad, he's a pure potential player to spend years developing. The 22nd pick is by definition a late first round pick. The value of a future first in 2026 or 2027 is a complete mystery assuming the front office is even willing to consider trading yet another future first rounder.

The Kings package you mention is vastly superior, Bagly is probably worth nothing but 9 in this draft is massively more valuable than 22. There are likely even better offers out there, the Warriors would surely consider Wiseman + 7, maybe even Wiseman + 7 + 14 if they are desperate enough because Wood solves one of their biggest problems (big with shooting). The Lakers' package is just not that appealing because it doesn't come with a guaranteed lottery pick.


As a Warriors fan, I would really dislike Wiseman + 7 for Wood.

I would REALLY dislike Wiseman + 7 + 14 for Wood.


Wiseman + 14 it is - we have a deal!

All jokes aside Wood isn’t worth that. A number 7 or Wiseman I think is closer to fair value.

He would fit great with you though …
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Re: Is Christian Wood Merely a Good Stats/Bad Team Guy? 

Post#48 » by rtiff68 » Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:09 pm

Noodlesoop wrote:
rtiff68 wrote:
ciueli wrote:
The Lakers' package isn't great. Kuzma is mediocre in spite of playing with LeBron and AD and is making significant money for the next 3 seasons, I'm not sure how you know he will suddenly be better playing for a no talent team like Houston, it actually makes more sense that is production would decline because he isn't surrounded by stars anymore. THT is a guard who can't shoot 3s and hasn't proven anything in the NBA, his numbers in 2 seasons so far are pretty bad, he's a pure potential player to spend years developing. The 22nd pick is by definition a late first round pick. The value of a future first in 2026 or 2027 is a complete mystery assuming the front office is even willing to consider trading yet another future first rounder.

The Kings package you mention is vastly superior, Bagly is probably worth nothing but 9 in this draft is massively more valuable than 22. There are likely even better offers out there, the Warriors would surely consider Wiseman + 7, maybe even Wiseman + 7 + 14 if they are desperate enough because Wood solves one of their biggest problems (big with shooting). The Lakers' package is just not that appealing because it doesn't come with a guaranteed lottery pick.


As a Warriors fan, I would really dislike Wiseman + 7 for Wood.

I would REALLY dislike Wiseman + 7 + 14 for Wood.


Wiseman + 14 it is - we have a deal!

All jokes aside Wood isn’t worth that. A number 7 or Wiseman I think is closer to fair value.

He would fit great with you though …


Haha. Yeah, he would certainly fit. My negativity towards those hypothetical trades isn’t about me disliking Wood, it’s really about me not seeing a trade that makes sense for both teams involving Wood.

If Kuminga fell to #7, I would love to trade that (paired with a trade exception) for Wood. The Rockets walk out of that trade with 2 of the 5 most rawly talented players on a stacked draft and save money (3 years left on Wood’s deal).

I can talk myself into that as a GS fan, but as a Rockets fan I’m probably hoping for more if I move Wood, and I’m not in any hurry to trade him.

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