Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[jpatrick]

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Put me in the camp that he gets moved no matter what this says. Too much smoke. Dame just doesn’t want to look like the bad guy.

[moonpie]

How about a 4 team deal involving the Hornets if Portland blows it up? Something along the lines of Dame to Philly, Simmons to us, CJ and Nurkic to Charlotte, and expirings/young talent/picks to POR? Charlotte has PJ Washington and the #11 pick, Rozier as an expiring that could be flipped at the deadline for more assets

[BlacJacMac]

Dame reminds me of KG. He's basically the Mayor of Portland.

IMO, he's going to have to be convinced to leave if Portland decides to blow it up.

[moonpie]

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[Chello1]

We need a 3rd team to be in Simmons. for us to even get in on the conversation. They are trying to win now, who can we send them that helps that if they don't like DLO?

[theGreatRC]

We need a 3rd team to be in Simmons. for us to even get in on the conversation. They are trying to win now, who can we send them that helps that if they don't like DLO?

If Dame wants to go to Philly, it will be pretty easy.

To Philly: Damian Lillard

To Portland: Malik Beasley, Juancho, Tyrese Maxey, Jarret Culver, MIN 1st round pick, PHI 1st round pick

To Minny: Ben Simmons

Philly gets their PG to help contend, Portland gets a sniper at SG which slides McCollum to his natural PG position, they also get a young guard in Maxey and take a gamble on Culver while also getting draft picks.

Minny gets Ben, who Gersson wants "badly".

[karch34]

We need a 3rd team to be in Simmons. for us to even get in on the conversation. They are trying to win now, who can we send them that helps that if they don't like DLO?

If Dame wants to go to Philly, it will be pretty easy.

To Philly: Damian Lillard

To Portland: Malik Beasley, Juancho, Tyrese Maxey, Jarret Culver, MIN 1st round pick, PHI 1st round pick

To Minny: Ben Simmons

Philly gets their PG to help contend, Portland gets a sniper at SG which slides McCollum to his natural PG position, they also get a young guard in Maxey and take a gamble on Culver while also getting draft picks.

Minny gets Ben, who Gersson wants "badly".

Portland just strikes me as team that would prefer Simmons since they’d want a star after moving their best player. I guess depends on how much faith they have in Anfernee Simmons as I could see him and CJ in the backcourt with RoCo, Ben, and Nurkic being a lineup that switches it up without blowing it up.

[Klomp]

We need a 3rd team to be in Simmons. for us to even get in on the conversation. They are trying to win now, who can we send them that helps that if they don't like DLO?

If Dame wants to go to Philly, it will be pretty easy.

To Philly: Damian Lillard

To Portland: Malik Beasley, Juancho, Tyrese Maxey, Jarret Culver, MIN 1st round pick, PHI 1st round pick

To Minny: Ben Simmons

Philly gets their PG to help contend, Portland gets a sniper at SG which slides McCollum to his natural PG position, they also get a young guard in Maxey and take a gamble on Culver while also getting draft picks.

Minny gets Ben, who Gersson wants "badly".

Portland just strikes me as team that would prefer Simmons since they’d want a star after moving their best player. I guess depends on how much faith they have in Anfernee Simmons as I could see him and CJ in the backcourt with RoCo, Ben, and Nurkic being a lineup that switches it up without blowing it up.

Normally I would agree. Under Stotts I would agree. But I think they need to tear things almost all the way down. Right now, only McCollum (and Lillard) are guaranteed on the books past next season, with limited prospects in-house. This gives a great opportunity for a hard reset. Get picks and prospects from both us (or whatever third team) and Philadelphia.

[karch34]

Normally I would agree. Under Stotts I would agree. But I think they need to tear things almost all the way down. Right now, only McCollum (and Lillard) are guaranteed on the books past next season, with limited prospects in-house. This gives a great opportunity for a hard reset. Get picks and prospects from both us (or whatever third team) and Philadelphia.

I thought they had mortgaged more future picks than they did so I guess they could go with full rebuild. Tough thing is anything in Lillard trade is late firsts. But if they went full blown I do think they could get a decent war chest which they should do if they don’t do a “one for one” for Lillard.

[shrink]

MIN GETS: Jonathan Isaac

ORL GETS: Malik Beasley, Leandro Bolmaro, Naz Reid

If healthy, Isaac is a great fit with Towns, a tremendous defender who still needs to be guarded from the three point line. He is recovering from an ACL tear, but was resigned to a four year, $17.3 mil contract, ($20 in seasons he plays 70 games), which also has a Title 3 clause, removing salary is the knee is an issue. We’d need more info on that knee, but the upside fit is great, with the defense, shooting, age, and a non-max deal.

ORL continues it’s full rebuild, with young pieces they can keep or trade.

[Klomp]

My rehash on the 3-way:

POR Out: Lillard
POR In: Rubio, Beasley, PHI 2021 1st (#28), MIN 2022 1st (Top 8 protected), 2022 swap rights with PHI, PHI 2023 1st (Lottery protected), 2023 swap rights with MIN, MIN 2024 1st (Top 8 protected)

MIN Out: Rubio, Beasley, 2022 1st (Top 8 protected), 2023 swap rights, 2024 1st (Top 8 protected)
MIN In: Simmons

PHI Out: Simmons, 2021 1st (#28), 2022 swap rights, 2023 1st (Lottery protected)
PHI In: Lillard

[jpatrick]

MIN GETS: Jonathan Isaac

ORL GETS: Malik Beasley, Leandro Bolmaro, Naz Reid

If healthy, Isaac is a great fit with Towns, a tremendous defender who still needs to be guarded from the three point line. He is recovering from an ACL tear, but was resigned to a four year, $17.3 mil contract, ($20 in seasons he plays 70 games), which also has a Title 3 clause, removing salary is the knee is an issue. We’d need more info on that knee, but the upside fit is great, with the defense, shooting, age, and a non-max deal.

ORL continues it’s full rebuild, with young pieces they can keep or trade.

I’d want to know status of rehab but intriguing because Isaac is such a nice fit next to Towns. I’d also normally say no way Orlando does this, but if they get some raw combo forward types like Scottie Barnes and/or Kuminga, maybe they like the idea of adding Beasley’s shooting around a Fultz, Barnes, Kuminga core.

I do think this is light and would take us moving a first in the deal instead of Naz. Especially since Orlando had Bamba and WCJ, which makes Naz duplicative.

[Dewey]

My rehash on the 3-way:

POR Out: Lillard
POR In: Rubio, Beasley, PHI 2021 1st (#28), MIN 2022 1st (Top 8 protected), 2022 swap rights with PHI, PHI 2023 1st (Lottery protected), 2023 swap rights with MIN, MIN 2024 1st (Top 8 protected)

MIN Out: Rubio, Beasley, 2022 1st (Top 8 protected), 2023 swap rights, 2024 1st (Top 8 protected)
MIN In: Simmons

PHI Out: Simmons, 2021 1st (#28), 2022 swap rights, 2023 1st (Lottery protected)
PHI In: Lillard

With Lilliard trying to push his way out… I can see a 3-way or 4-way. I’d love to bring in a piece or two that can impact 2021-2022

[shrink]

MIN GETS: Jonathan Isaac

ORL GETS: Malik Beasley, Leandro Bolmaro, Naz Reid

If healthy, Isaac is a great fit with Towns, a tremendous defender who still needs to be guarded from the three point line. He is recovering from an ACL tear, but was resigned to a four year, $17.3 mil contract, ($20 in seasons he plays 70 games), which also has a Title 3 clause, removing salary is the knee is an issue. We’d need more info on that knee, but the upside fit is great, with the defense, shooting, age, and a non-max deal.

ORL continues it’s full rebuild, with young pieces they can keep or trade.

I’d want to know status of rehab but intriguing because Isaac is such a nice fit next to Towns. I’d also normally say no way Orlando does this, but if they get some raw combo forward types like Scottie Barnes and/or Kuminga, maybe they like the idea of adding Beasley’s shooting around a Fultz, Barnes, Kuminga core.

I do think this is light and would take us moving a first in the deal instead of Naz. Especially since Orlando had Bamba and WCJ, which makes Naz duplicative.

Great post. I almost included a Naz swap elsewhere, then a Beasley swap as well, and decided I was just making the trade too complicated for most readers here. I figured most would just care what MIN got and gave, so I paired it back.

And yeah, it’s so hard to determine Isaac’s value, when we don’t know his health.

[wolves_89]

MIN GETS: Jonathan Isaac

ORL GETS: Malik Beasley, Leandro Bolmaro, Naz Reid

If healthy, Isaac is a great fit with Towns, a tremendous defender who still needs to be guarded from the three point line. He is recovering from an ACL tear, but was resigned to a four year, $17.3 mil contract, ($20 in seasons he plays 70 games), which also has a Title 3 clause, removing salary is the knee is an issue. We’d need more info on that knee, but the upside fit is great, with the defense, shooting, age, and a non-max deal.

ORL continues it’s full rebuild, with young pieces they can keep or trade.

I’d want to know status of rehab but intriguing because Isaac is such a nice fit next to Towns. I’d also normally say no way Orlando does this, but if they get some raw combo forward types like Scottie Barnes and/or Kuminga, maybe they like the idea of adding Beasley’s shooting around a Fultz, Barnes, Kuminga core.

I do think this is light and would take us moving a first in the deal instead of Naz. Especially since Orlando had Bamba and WCJ, which makes Naz duplicative.

I really like Isaac, but the amount of risk is just too high. Isaac is coming off multiple major injuries and has only played 136 games in 4 seasons. I think the Wolves need to add a big who is solid and dependable even if they don't have the same ceiling.

[TheZachAttack]

MIN GETS: Jonathan Isaac

ORL GETS: Malik Beasley, Leandro Bolmaro, Naz Reid

If healthy, Isaac is a great fit with Towns, a tremendous defender who still needs to be guarded from the three point line. He is recovering from an ACL tear, but was resigned to a four year, $17.3 mil contract, ($20 in seasons he plays 70 games), which also has a Title 3 clause, removing salary is the knee is an issue. We’d need more info on that knee, but the upside fit is great, with the defense, shooting, age, and a non-max deal.

ORL continues it’s full rebuild, with young pieces they can keep or trade.

I’d want to know status of rehab but intriguing because Isaac is such a nice fit next to Towns. I’d also normally say no way Orlando does this, but if they get some raw combo forward types like Scottie Barnes and/or Kuminga, maybe they like the idea of adding Beasley’s shooting around a Fultz, Barnes, Kuminga core.

I do think this is light and would take us moving a first in the deal instead of Naz. Especially since Orlando had Bamba and WCJ, which makes Naz duplicative.

I really like Isaac, but the amount of risk is just too high. Isaac is coming off multiple major injuries and has only played 136 games in 4 seasons. I think the Wolves need to add a big who is solid and dependable even if they don't have the same ceiling.

I would argue the exact opposite, this is the exact risk we need to make to avoid becoming a treadmill team at best during the KAT/D Lo window.

[jpatrick]

I agree we need to take a risk. We are essentially maxed out salary wise going forward. Without moving KAT/Ant, we don’t have the assets to get a ready-made star, and unless there is monumental internal growth, we’re just not good enough as currently constructed to compete for championships in the near future. Not to mention, if we don’t win this year, I’d be surprised if KAT didn’t start making trade requests.

So, I think we need to try to get in on a buy low situation. Isaac coming off injury or Simmons coming off his playoff display fit these categories. I’d even out Turner in this category.

Unfortunately, those are long shots. I think it’s much more likely that we add a small piece, maybe as big as a Nance or Markkanen, but we bank on that internal development. Trades are hard to make.

[PhillyNj]

My rehash on the 3-way:

POR Out: Lillard
POR In: Rubio, Beasley, PHI 2021 1st (#28), MIN 2022 1st (Top 8 protected), 2022 swap rights with PHI, PHI 2023 1st (Lottery protected), 2023 swap rights with MIN, MIN 2024 1st (Top 8 protected)

MIN Out: Rubio, Beasley, 2022 1st (Top 8 protected), 2023 swap rights, 2024 1st (Top 8 protected)
MIN In: Simmons

PHI Out: Simmons, 2021 1st (#28), 2022 swap rights, 2023 1st (Lottery protected)
PHI In: Lillard

With Lilliard trying to push his way out… I can see a 3-way or 4-way. I’d love to bring in a piece or two that can impact 2021-2022

If Minny get Simmons in any deal there giving up a lot more than Rubio Beasley and 2 top 8 protected FRP!

[PeeDee]

If Minny get Simmons in any deal there giving up a lot more than Rubio Beasley and 2 top 8 protected FRP!

Every fanbase overvalues their team's players and undervalues another team's players. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Best not to get up in arms about it lest you want to be a sad internet man.

[PhillyNj]

If Minny get Simmons in any deal there giving up a lot more than Rubio Beasley and 2 top 8 protected FRP!

Every fanbase overvalues their team's players and undervalues another team's players. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Best not to get up in arms about it lest you want to be a sad internet man.

Come on man Rubio is washed up and owed 18 mil. Beasley is decide to but a part time jail bird.
Nobody ! Would trade Simmons for that even if Minnesota threw in 3 First round picks.