Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[nykballa2k4]

The worst part about the Lin experience was his stans. They made every message board unbearable! Lin could do no wrong. Melo is the problem. It became so divisive and toxic. I don’t miss it at all.

My point is that right now Lin is better than Elf. Not a high bar, I know, but he is not even being given consideration when guy like Elf, Augustine etc are still on rosters.

If he was Steph Curry, no one would have any problems. he is not though.

If Lin were anything other than Asian, and if he was not a popular player, he would be on an NBA roster. Because he is viewed as a) Asian (he himself experienced guys saying racist things all last year on the court) and b) because his Linsanity reputation precedes him and c) he isn't a top 20 point guard.

What is Hachimura's experience? Yao Ming's? Watanabe's experience right now?

Part of Lin not being on a roster is he is simply a teaching vet at this point.

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Yao was one of the best C in the league. Hachimura is multiethnic and he gets racist comments all of the time. Don't know much about the last kids situation, but if Lin were top 30 in the league at point, he would be in the league, but amongst his similarly talents contemporaries, his race seems to create a divide which takes away his opportunities.

Lin was helpful for our w/l record when healthy. Had he been Af-Am, Melo would have made sure that Lin would have had a contract to sign with the Knicks. This is the team that signed Chris Smith after all...

[KnixinSix]

Remember, it's not how great Sexton is, though he addresses Knick needs. It's that he can be obtained for relatively cheaply, and there is still a path to getting a max cat next year.

That wouldn't be the case with what CP3, Conley or Lowry are asking for in $ and years.

So what is the alternative?

Sign Ball and the only guy on the team who can create his own layup with a pick is geriatric Rose?

Gut the team for Lillard and sign Kawhi and his degenerative hip?

Some fanciful SGA trade where OKC gifts him to the Knicks, even though they have a trillion picks, which is the only thing of value the Knicks have that they can afford to trade? That OKC doesn't even want?

Draft Cooper or Mann or some other unproven rookie to run the point with Rose next year?

Dip into cap space so we can run out a Rose/TJ McConnell PG duo for a couple of years?
- At least with this one there MIGHT be a chance for another max player.


Ah hell, just bring back Elf.

Sexton is not a bad plan at all. Especially to your point of maintaining cap flex for next year AND keeping enough assets to pull off another trade either this year (SGA etc?) or next year.

But its still Plan B to Lillard in my opinion bc he also likely attracts another star to come here too.

[prophet_of_rage]

My point is that right now Lin is better than Elf. Not a high bar, I know, but he is not even being given consideration when guy like Elf, Augustine etc are still on rosters.

If he was Steph Curry, no one would have any problems. he is not though.

If Lin were anything other than Asian, and if he was not a popular player, he would be on an NBA roster. Because he is viewed as a) Asian (he himself experienced guys saying racist things all last year on the court) and b) because his Linsanity reputation precedes him and c) he isn't a top 20 point guard.

What is Hachimura's experience? Yao Ming's? Watanabe's experience right now?

Part of Lin not being on a roster is he is simply a teaching vet at this point.

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Yao was one of the best C in the league. Hachimura is multiethnic and he gets racist comments all of the time. Don't know much about the last kids situation, but if Lin were top 30 in the league at point, he would be in the league, but amongst his similarly talents contemporaries, his race seems to create a divide which takes away his opportunities.

Lin was helpful for our w/l record when healthy. Had he been Af-Am, Melo would have made sure that Lin would have had a contract to sign with the Knicks. This is the team that signed Chris Smith after all...

I don't think it is that simple. I mean he washed out of Toronto and Toronto's basketball fantasy is heavily Asian. And nobody in Toronto really laments his leaving.

And they currently have Watanabe.

Lin is a mid 30s athlete with a bum leg and a game predicated on athleticism while not being able to go left. He is no longer marketable, no longer talented. It's not like he left the Knicks and got blackballed. He signed a poison pill contract which is why Melo called it ridiculous. It wasn't the amount it was the structure.

There is plenty of anti-Asian bigotry and it worked both for and against Lin but I don't think he was dropped for being Asian. It seems more that he was no longer good enough.

He did play 7 years after Linsanity.

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[thebuzzardman]

What is Hachimura's experience? Yao Ming's? Watanabe's experience right now?

Part of Lin not being on a roster is he is simply a teaching vet at this point.

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Yao was one of the best C in the league. Hachimura is multiethnic and he gets racist comments all of the time. Don't know much about the last kids situation, but if Lin were top 30 in the league at point, he would be in the league, but amongst his similarly talents contemporaries, his race seems to create a divide which takes away his opportunities.

Lin was helpful for our w/l record when healthy. Had he been Af-Am, Melo would have made sure that Lin would have had a contract to sign with the Knicks. This is the team that signed Chris Smith after all...

I don't think it is that simple. I mean he washed out of Toronto and Toronto's basketball fantasy is heavily Asian. And nobody in Toronto really laments his leaving.

And they currently have Watanabe.

Lin is a mid 30s athlete with a bum leg and a game predicated on athleticism while not being able to go left. He is no longer marketable, no longer talented. It's not like he left the Knicks and got blackballed. He signed a poison pill contract which is why Melo called it ridiculous. It wasn't the amount it was the structure.

There is plenty of anti-Asian bigotry and it worked both for and against Lin but I don't think he was dropped for being Asian. It seems more that he was no longer good enough.

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I think this argument for Lin might have worked if/when he wasn't getting playing opportunities like 6 years ago, but as you said, now that he's mid 30's with already not elite athleticism starting to fade AND a bad leg, I think it's just teams going with the younger guys.

[N Y K]

So still now news, but we page on...

[Gravy]

The hope with building around RJ and Sexton maybe Lonzo is you gotta hope they improve over time. If they never get any better then sure, our ceiling is a quick 1st or 2nd round exit. But every young team has some level of uncertainty.

Two years ago did anyone think a team lead by Ayton and Booker would be in the finals? Booker was mr empty stats, Ayton was a borderline bust, CP3 was too old and expensive. Nobody saw Trae Young taking his team to the ecf he was too short and played no defense, John Collins and Trae would have been laughed at as the suggested best two players on an ecf team. People said Giannis is not a number 1 because he cant shoot.

This season proves there's more players capable of winning a title than Lebron, KD, and Kawhi. They are getting older and wont be the top 3 forever.

[KnicksGadfly]

It would be nice to have Rose mentoring Sexton if things go well

[thebuzzardman]

So still now news, but we page on...

Probably reach 100 pages and then Sexton gets traded to Miami and Knicks resign Elf.

[cgf]

So still now news, but we page on...

Probably reach 100 pages and then Sexton gets traded to Miami and Knicks resign Elf.

Should I go see what Raymond Felton is up to?

[BKlutch]

So still now news, but we page on...

Probably reach 100 pages and then Sexton gets traded to Miami and Knicks resign Elf.

Should I go see what Raymond Felton is up to?

[TheGreenArrow]

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[Nazrmohamed]

Lin has to be the worst tear jerker I've ever seen. He's spent a long time cultivating this image and narrative that he's just the good little kid sleeping on Landry Fields couch. And if you don't want him on your team it's because you don't like Asians. Gimme a break. He lucked out because he joined a team who's coach was a pg centric coach who wanted to stick it to the star player the coach didn't want. Both in turn were dismissed and then the Knicks not only finished that current season with an 18&6 record without the both of them but the next season had the second beat record in the East. Good riddance.

The worst part about the Lin experience was his stans. They made every message board unbearable! Lin could do no wrong. Melo is the problem. It became so divisive and toxic. I don’t miss it at all.

My point is that right now Lin is better than Elf. Not a high bar, I know, but he is not even being given consideration when guy like Elf, Augustine etc are still on rosters.

If he was Steph Curry, no one would have any problems. he is not though.

If Lin were anything other than Asian, and if he was not a popular player, he would be on an NBA roster. Because he is viewed as a) Asian (he himself experienced guys saying racist things all last year on the court) and b) because his Linsanity reputation precedes him and c) he isn't a top 20 point guard.

Oh for sure.

Hes just annoying is all

[3toheadmelo]

The hope with building around RJ and Sexton maybe Lonzo is you gotta hope they improve over time. If they never get any better then sure, our ceiling is a quick 1st or 2nd round exit. But every young team has some level of uncertainty.

Two years ago did anyone think a team lead by Ayton and Booker would be in the finals? Booker was mr empty stats, Ayton was a borderline bust, CP3 was too old and expensive. Nobody saw Trae Young taking his team to the ecf he was too short and played no defense, John Collins and Trae would have been laughed at as the suggested best two players on an ecf team. People said Giannis is not a number 1 because he cant shoot.

This season proves there's more players capable of winning a title than Lebron, KD, and Kawhi. They are getting older and wont be the top 3 forever.

Huh? That’s the first time I’ve heard that. He averaged 16 and 10 as a rookie with no point guard and last year he averaged 18 and 12. He was always a good player. People who thought Booker was empty stats don’t know basketball either

[Gravy]

The hope with building around RJ and Sexton maybe Lonzo is you gotta hope they improve over time. If they never get any better then sure, our ceiling is a quick 1st or 2nd round exit. But every young team has some level of uncertainty.

Two years ago did anyone think a team lead by Ayton and Booker would be in the finals? Booker was mr empty stats, Ayton was a borderline bust, CP3 was too old and expensive. Nobody saw Trae Young taking his team to the ecf he was too short and played no defense, John Collins and Trae would have been laughed at as the suggested best two players on an ecf team. People said Giannis is not a number 1 because he cant shoot.

This season proves there's more players capable of winning a title than Lebron, KD, and Kawhi. They are getting older and wont be the top 3 forever.

Huh? That’s the first time I’ve heard that. He averaged 16 and 10 as a rookie with no point guard and last year he averaged 18 and 12. He was always a good player. People who thought Booker was empty stats don’t know basketball either

Bust is too strong. It was mostly the comparisons to Doncic he got and the Suns lost a lot of games those early years.

[3toheadmelo]

The hope with building around RJ and Sexton maybe Lonzo is you gotta hope they improve over time. If they never get any better then sure, our ceiling is a quick 1st or 2nd round exit. But every young team has some level of uncertainty.

Two years ago did anyone think a team lead by Ayton and Booker would be in the finals? Booker was mr empty stats, Ayton was a borderline bust, CP3 was too old and expensive. Nobody saw Trae Young taking his team to the ecf he was too short and played no defense, John Collins and Trae would have been laughed at as the suggested best two players on an ecf team. People said Giannis is not a number 1 because he cant shoot.

This season proves there's more players capable of winning a title than Lebron, KD, and Kawhi. They are getting older and wont be the top 3 forever.

Huh? That’s the first time I’ve heard that. He averaged 16 and 10 as a rookie with no point guard and last year he averaged 18 and 12. He was always a good player. People who thought Booker was empty stats don’t know basketball either

Bust is too strong. It was mostly the comparisons to Doncic he got and the Suns lost a lot of games those early years.

Oh true the comparisons were over blown and made it sound like he was a bust. Now the tables have turned and Ayton’s 2 way impact makes him look like a winner while Luka has the impact of Harden.

Suns started winning a lot of games when they hired Monty. They would’ve made the playoffs last year if Ayton didn’t get suspended for 25 games.

I can see Sexton thriving under Thibs the same way Booker is under Monty

[spree2kawhi]

It would be nice to have Rose mentoring Sexton if things go well

On which topics?

[spree2kawhi]

The hope with building around RJ and Sexton maybe Lonzo is you gotta hope they improve over time. If they never get any better then sure, our ceiling is a quick 1st or 2nd round exit. But every young team has some level of uncertainty.

Two years ago did anyone think a team lead by Ayton and Booker would be in the finals? Booker was mr empty stats, Ayton was a borderline bust, CP3 was too old and expensive. Nobody saw Trae Young taking his team to the ecf he was too short and played no defense, John Collins and Trae would have been laughed at as the suggested best two players on an ecf team. People said Giannis is not a number 1 because he cant shoot.

This season proves there's more players capable of winning a title than Lebron, KD, and Kawhi. They are getting older and wont be the top 3 forever.

Huh? That’s the first time I’ve heard that. He averaged 16 and 10 as a rookie with no point guard and last year he averaged 18 and 12. He was always a good player. People who thought Booker was empty stats don’t know basketball either

The Booker haters were the worst of all. It was a mild surprise type me how absolutely dominant Ayton started to become defensively two years ago though.

[3toheadmelo]

The hope with building around RJ and Sexton maybe Lonzo is you gotta hope they improve over time. If they never get any better then sure, our ceiling is a quick 1st or 2nd round exit. But every young team has some level of uncertainty.

Two years ago did anyone think a team lead by Ayton and Booker would be in the finals? Booker was mr empty stats, Ayton was a borderline bust, CP3 was too old and expensive. Nobody saw Trae Young taking his team to the ecf he was too short and played no defense, John Collins and Trae would have been laughed at as the suggested best two players on an ecf team. People said Giannis is not a number 1 because he cant shoot.

This season proves there's more players capable of winning a title than Lebron, KD, and Kawhi. They are getting older and wont be the top 3 forever.

Huh? That’s the first time I’ve heard that. He averaged 16 and 10 as a rookie with no point guard and last year he averaged 18 and 12. He was always a good player. People who thought Booker was empty stats don’t know basketball either

The Booker haters were the worst of all. It was a mild surprise type me how absolutely dominant Ayton started to become defensively two years ago though.

I think people were jealous that Booker was better than KP.

And yeah, Ayton always had the tools to be a great defender but his defensive IQ was very low coming into the league. Once the Suns got competent coaches he started making big strides on that end. Coaching really matters