Scottie Barnes

[clyde21]

Barnes being compared to Giannis stylistically isn't crazy. You can see it with the downhill play style mixed with the freakishly long strides getting to the hoop. No I don't see Barnes being 28+ PPG scorer or a 2x MVP but I can definitely see him peaking at a pre-allstar level GA (when Kidd had him playing PG). Something like 18/8/7 with defense to boot.

Barnes doesn't have anymore downhill style than any other F, in fact the opposite, he likes to set up and orchestrate offense instead of continuously attacking the basket, he also doesn't have the wiry athleticism of Giannis at all

yes, it's crazy, he's not that type of player at all.

Setting up and orchestrating offense doesn't contradict him liking to get downhill with the ball in order to score in the paint. I just pointed you to a time where Giannis wasn't a huge scorer and wasn't attacking the rim every possession, instead opting to be more of a playmaker. Was he not a downhill style player then? Barnes doesn't play in the post and didn't roll/cut to the rim at a high rate. How do you think he was getting his points at the hoop when he had the ball?

The wiriness is a difference, sure. It's not a perfect comparison because their bodies aren't built the same but that doesn't really change the argument for style of play.

What other forward then would you say with a similar level of athleticism slashes in the same fashion as Barnes?

the argument that they are stylistically the same is wrong, not even close, I have no idea who you two are watching. either you're not watching Barnes or you're not watching Giannis.

it's a really odd comp that it's barely even worth of a discussion.

[bon]

Sure. "I'm right you're wrong and there's no discussion to be had on a discussion forum"

[clyde21]

Sure. "I'm right you're wrong and there's no discussion to be had on a discussion forum"

Giannis is a 6-10 combo big wiry athlete that plays primarily in transition and downhill, Barnes is a 6-8 combo forward that is much more of a set player that likes to orchestrate and run offense, the comp doesn't make sense from any standpoint and no not stylistically

and if ur gonna compare Barnes to Giannis...why stop there? why not also comp Jalen Johnson to Giannis? or JT Thor...hell why not Kuminga? what makes Barnes a better comp than any of these guys to Giannis?

[mademan]

He's a lot more Simmons than he is Giannis. Maybe a smaller Giannis, but what makes Giannis Giannis is his ridiculous size/length which Barnes, impressive as he is, does not possess.

[bon]

Sure. "I'm right you're wrong and there's no discussion to be had on a discussion forum"

Giannis is a 6-10 combo big wiry athlete that plays primarily in transition and downhill, Barnes is a 6-8 combo forward that is much more of a set player that likes to orchestrate and run offense, the comp doesn't make sense from any standpoint and no not stylistically

and if ur gonna compare Barnes to Giannis...why stop there? why not also comp Jalen Johnson to Giannis? or JT Thor...hell why not Kuminga? what makes Barnes a better comp than any of these guys to Giannis?

All 3 of those guys play completely differently though lol how would they get the same comp.

I think we're too far on this to really have a discussion so I'll concede here.

[Marcus]

I'm on record stating Scottie is my favorite prospect in this class dating back to damn near his junior year in HS. I've seen the Giannis comp thrown out there but we're asking for a bit to get to that level. I don't know if Scottie gets that kind of carte blanche to even try his hand at Giannis type things in the league. While i love the the level of love my guy is getting I still see Scottie as your ultimate glue guy type prospect moreso than a go to type player. He's still in that (lazy comp) Draymond Spicy P bag for me in terms of super important glue guy piece with potential to add on. However he's used he will be effective because the floor on his game and value is insanely high but focal point duties come with room to grow into that. We'll have to see where he gets drafted to even see how viable that is.

[reamily]

Whos faller barbes or kuminga.. he is above kuminga in my book, but why no one compare him to Andre Iguodala?

[MAGICian619]

Barnes doesn't have anymore downhill style than any other F, in fact the opposite, he likes to set up and orchestrate offense instead of continuously attacking the basket, he also doesn't have the wiry athleticism of Giannis at all

yes, it's crazy, he's not that type of player at all.

Setting up and orchestrating offense doesn't contradict him liking to get downhill with the ball in order to score in the paint. I just pointed you to a time where Giannis wasn't a huge scorer and wasn't attacking the rim every possession, instead opting to be more of a playmaker. Was he not a downhill style player then? Barnes doesn't play in the post and didn't roll/cut to the rim at a high rate. How do you think he was getting his points at the hoop when he had the ball?

The wiriness is a difference, sure. It's not a perfect comparison because their bodies aren't built the same but that doesn't really change the argument for style of play.

What other forward then would you say with a similar level of athleticism slashes in the same fashion as Barnes?

the argument that they are stylistically the same is wrong, not even close, I have no idea who you two are watching. either you're not watching Barnes or you're not watching Giannis.

it's a really odd comp that it's barely even worth of a discussion.

Looks like a Warrior fan is salty Barnes won't fall to them in the draft

[azcatz11]

I haven't watched him at all but is there any truth to the statement made by Chad Ford that he doesn't know how he's going to score in the NBA?

[clyde21]

Setting up and orchestrating offense doesn't contradict him liking to get downhill with the ball in order to score in the paint. I just pointed you to a time where Giannis wasn't a huge scorer and wasn't attacking the rim every possession, instead opting to be more of a playmaker. Was he not a downhill style player then? Barnes doesn't play in the post and didn't roll/cut to the rim at a high rate. How do you think he was getting his points at the hoop when he had the ball?

The wiriness is a difference, sure. It's not a perfect comparison because their bodies aren't built the same but that doesn't really change the argument for style of play.

What other forward then would you say with a similar level of athleticism slashes in the same fashion as Barnes?

the argument that they are stylistically the same is wrong, not even close, I have no idea who you two are watching. either you're not watching Barnes or you're not watching Giannis.

it's a really odd comp that it's barely even worth of a discussion.

Looks like a Warrior fan is salty Barnes won't fall to them in the draft

1) im salty because the Giannis comp sucks?

2) and I don't want Barnes at 7, I want Moody, even if Barnes is available.

3) sounds like you guys need to stop speaking about players u never watched.

[Marcus]

I haven't watched him at all but is there any truth to the statement made by Chad Ford that he doesn't know how he's going to score in the NBA?

in terms of doing it for himself on a regular basis i think there's some validity to it. Until he figures out that jumper a lot of his buckets will likely be from off ball activity (cuts, putbacks, duck-ins, lobs, catch and finishes), some switch mismatches, and transition (where he will really shine). But IMO that's not what you draft Scottie for. The buckets that come for Scottie would just be gravy. You're drafting for the switching on defense, the high IQ playmaking, the hustle, the energy, the engine, the versatility to still run a set when your primary weapon might be an off-ball guy or you need to get your bucket getter moving around in order to maximize their touches. You're drafting Scottie for the little things. If offense becomes a reliable thing for him then his value goes into top 3 in this class but IDK if drafting Scottie to be the offense is the right way to go about it.

[Big J]

Who does he comp best to as an athlete? Marion, Iggy, or Aaron Gordon?

[Marcus]

Who does he comp best to as an athlete? Marion, Iggy, or Aaron Gordon?

Personally i've never seen bouncy or explosive out of Scottie. I see a kid with decent bounce and long arms utilize both to the max. I mean out of that grouping i guess you can say Marion but i do see more Giannis in terms of maximizing the extent of his limbs to the fullest and the appearance of bounce that comes with that.

[Dan Z]

I haven't watched him at all but is there any truth to the statement made by Chad Ford that he doesn't know how he's going to score in the NBA?

I haven't followed what Chad Ford has said about this draft, but I did just see this tweet, so my guess is that Ford just questions his shooting ability.

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[GSWFan1994]

Too bad it's hidden behind a paywall as large as the Great Wall of China.

[yoyoboy]

Yeah if Mobley goes 2 I’d lean towards taking Barnes instead of Green. But I would want to try to move down for additional assets.

[clyde21]

Cavs should take Green and run in that scenario

[MemphisX]

Barnes is highly overrated right now.

[Big J]

Chad's been eating too many Built Bars.

[EMG518]

That's just a terrible take. Taking Barnes at 3.