2020-21 NBA Season Discussion

TheGOATRises007 · Post #5101 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:19 am

DirtyDez wrote:
Outside wrote:I don't get the Booker hate. He comes across as likeable with the media, he absorbed the broken nose from Beverly without complaining and overcame Beverly's defense, he scores well, he's gritty and puts in excellent effort on both ends.

I get that he should've been called for more fouls, but it's not his fault they weren't called. He's not dirty. I get that he's made plays with poor awareness of time and score, but not THAT many, and people seem to forget that this isn't just his first time in the finals, it's his first time in the playoffs. It's been a collective effort, but he's been the Suns best player in this playoff run. Dude just scored 40 in two straight finals games. It sure ain't Chris Paul carrying them out there.

Like I said, I don't get where the Booker hate is coming from. I appreciate and respect his game a lot more now that I see it leading his team to success at such a high level.

So far this page we have a Trae fan who complains about Booker’s flopping and a Luka fan complaining about Booker’s complaining. Fans don’t need logical reasons to dislike a player. Sometimes you just find someone hard to root for.

That was ironic :lol:

RCM88x · Post #5102 » by **RCM88x** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:19 am

Everytime someone criticizes Bud, I question if they remember what this team was before he got there. They were a borderline playoffs team, and struggling to figure out an identify on either end.

Sure he isn't perfect, but in my opinion, he's always got them to play above their talent level, and they're doing so once again here. Now, does him bringing them to this point absolve him of all criticism, obviously not, but he's still the biggest factor in this team becoming what they've become (outside of Giannis I guess).

GSP · Post #5103 » by **GSP** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:59 am

RCM88x wrote:Everytime someone criticizes Bud, I question if they remember what this team was before he got there. They were a borderline playoffs team, and struggling to figure out an identify on either end.

Sure he isn't perfect, but in my opinion, he's always got them to play above their talent level, and they're doing so once again here. Now, does him bringing them to this point absolve him of all criticism, obviously not, but he's still the biggest factor in this team becoming what they've become (outside of Giannis I guess).

Those Hawks teams had no business being as good as they were. I mean he got JEFF TEAGUE and KYLE KORVER into the allstar game and ppl act like he cant coach. Its absolutely mindboggling how dumb fans online are :lol:

therealbig3 · Post #5104 » by **therealbig3** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:53 am

I think people need to keep perspective, Giannis had a strong end to the Brooklyn series, but up until game 6, he wasn't looking great at all, and if not for injuries, the Bucks were losing that series in 5 in all likelihood. Even with the injuries, they barely won.

So I don't think Giannis goes from a great but flawed superstar to one of the GOAT big men because his team got bailed out by injuries to a better team. That would be the definition of winning bias.

The High Cyde · Post #5105 » by **The High Cyde** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:25 am

therealbig3 wrote:I think people need to keep perspective, Giannis had a strong end to the Brooklyn series, but up until game 6, he wasn't looking great at all, and if not for injuries, the Bucks were losing that series in 5 in all likelihood. Even with the injuries, they barely won.

So I don't think Giannis goes from a great but flawed superstar to one of the GOAT big men because his team got bailed out by injuries to a better team. That would be the definition of winning bias.

No one will care or even bother to drill into the granular details, injuries are part of the game will wash that all over. What they’ll see is, and they’ll care about is the 2 MVPs mixed with a DPOY and topped with a title as Finals MVP, and rightfully so.

He’s easily entered top 25 all time.

Dr Positivity · Post #5106 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:26 am

Giannis has played better since midway through the Nets series, if his ATL should be adjusted it's because of that. There was reason to think his halfcourt offensive game was flawed before but playing like a Power Forward with a capital P fixes that.

Post #5107 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:34 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:Giannis has played better since midway through the Nets series, if his ATL should be adjusted it's because of that. There was reason to think his halfcourt offensive game was flawed before but playing like a Power Forward with a capital P fixes that.

Yeah there has been a shift in his approach which should be factored in, even if we acknowledge that the Bucks had a healthy slice of luck to get here. As someone else pointed out, it's not like the Nets are particularly well-equipped to slow him down. He's still flawed but this seems like a replicable way that he can overcome those flaws in future playoffs.

Post #5108 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:34 pm

DirtyDez wrote:So far this page we have a Trae fan who complains about Booker’s flopping and a Luka fan complaining about Booker’s complaining. Fans don’t need logical reasons to dislike a player. Sometimes you just find someone hard to root for.

You won't find a Maverick fan who is more frustrated with Luka's constant complaining than me. So careful not to assume that I'm cool with something for Luka that I'm critical of Booker for because I've posted hundreds of times on these boards about Luka needing to cool it and play.

And yes, already acknowledged itt that my dislike for Booker is in large part irrational and inexplicable.

KTM_2813 · Post #5109 » by **KTM_2813** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:37 pm

I don't have a problem with Booker specifically, but more just his style of game. Everything is predicated on mid-range jumpers, which inevitably results in frustrating refereeing because Booker will go to the free throw line if he so much as lands awkwardly. I just really hate this new paradigm where players are allowed to get mauled at the rim, but smaller guards are living at the free throw line because of the emphasis on protecting jump shooters. And the crazy part is that Booker is not even close to the worst example of that kind of thing. :lol:

MartinToVaught · Post #5110 » by **MartinToVaught** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:10 pm

I don't like Booker either. I respect how he and Ayton have turned the Suns' culture around, but he's obnoxious. He has the irritating demeanor of Austin Rivers, but with the actual talent that Austin thinks he has.

People have brought up the entitlement, the flopping, the Draymond-esque kid glove treatment he gets from refs, his tantrum over being doubled in a pick-up game, and those are all valid reasons. But one thing that doesn't sit right with me is all the attention he gave to the "Suns in 4" guy. I understand that he didn't actually start that fight, but the NBA has had a rough postseason this year with bad behavior from fans at an all-time high. Rewarding anyone involved in a fight with free tickets and media praise strikes me as irresponsible. It just encourages idiots to seek their own 15 minutes of fame. Imagine what people would be saying if LeBron, Westbrook or PG did that.

parsnips33 · Post #5111 » by **parsnips33** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:27 pm

I like Booker. I love how he uses footwork and movement to get open given he's not a top-flight athlete and his shotmaking when contested is crazy impressive. Not only is that stuff fun to watch, it's also very apparent how much work he puts into his game. Nothing he does is easy. Has he shown a bit of tunnel vision? Yeah, but I'm confident that he'll be back working on his weaknesses no matter how this series ends up. Not something you can say about everybody.

But I also don't begrudge anybody for not liking him. Sports is more fun when you have somebody to root against. I know Kobe loved having haters, if Book is really the inheritor to the Mamba Mentality that he seemingly wants to be, I'm sure he loves it too

parsnips33 · Post #5112 » by **parsnips33** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:39 pm

Would like to see CP3 come out and set the tone early for the Suns. I really want to see this thing go to 7

Post #5113 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:05 pm

parsnips33 wrote:Would like to see CP3 come out and set the tone early for the Suns. I really want to see this thing go to 7

I want a squash. 8-)

Let Giannis receive his due and then let the off-season commence so the other teams can start dreaming of what move they make to take their leap foward.

parsnips33 · Post #5114 » by **parsnips33** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:28 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
parsnips33 wrote:Would like to see CP3 come out and set the tone early for the Suns. I really want to see this thing go to 7

I want a squash. Let Giannis receive his due and then let the off-season commence so the other teams can start dreaming of what move they make to take their leap foward.

Some of us started dreaming about that long before the playoffs even started :lol:

try to keep up

Post #5115 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:37 pm

parsnips33 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
parsnips33 wrote:Would like to see CP3 come out and set the tone early for the Suns. I really want to see this thing go to 7

I want a squash. Let Giannis receive his due and then let the off-season commence so the other teams can start dreaming of what move they make to take their leap foward.

Some of us started dreaming about that long before the playoffs even started try to keep up

We don't all have Steph and Draymond.

falcolombardi · Post #5116 » by **falcolombardi** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:52 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
parsnips33 wrote:Would like to see CP3 come out and set the tone early for the Suns. I really want to see this thing go to 7

I want a squash. Let Giannis receive his due and then let the off-season commence so the other teams can start dreaming of what move they make to take their leap foward.

also bucks in six for the memes

Dupp · Post #5117 » by **Dupp** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:12 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
parsnips33 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
I want a squash. Let Giannis receive his due and then let the off-season commence so the other teams can start dreaming of what move they make to take their leap foward.

Some of us started dreaming about that long before the playoffs even started try to keep up

We don't all have Steph and Draymond.

Poor Dallas, only got a potential goat.

Post #5118 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:17 pm

Dupp wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
parsnips33 wrote:
Some of us started dreaming about that long before the playoffs even started try to keep up

We don't all have Steph and Draymond.

Poor Dallas, only got a potential goat.

For winning next year Curry/Draymond >>>Luka/KP.

I realize that if Dallas can keep Luka, the long-term future is very bright.

Dupp · Post #5119 » by **Dupp** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:01 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Dupp wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
We don't all have Steph and Draymond.

Poor Dallas, only got a potential goat.

For winning next year Curry/Draymond >>>Luka/KP.

I realize that if Dallas can keep Luka, the long-term future is very bright.

Meh, neither teams gonna win next year regardless. At this stage of their careers it’s far better to have Luka than the other two.

That’s just looking to the future, I don’t even think curry is better than current luka. KP sucks though.

Post #5120 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:39 pm

therealbig3 wrote:I think people need to keep perspective, Giannis had a strong end to the Brooklyn series, but up until game 6, he wasn't looking great at all, and if not for injuries, the Bucks were losing that series in 5 in all likelihood. Even with the injuries, they barely won.

So I don't think Giannis goes from a great but flawed superstar to one of the GOAT big men because his team got bailed out by injuries to a better team. That would be the definition of winning bias.

Seems to have worked for Kawhi ¯\_(ツ)_/¯