Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[PhillyNj]

If Minny get Simmons in any deal there giving up a lot more than Rubio Beasley and 2 top 8 protected FRP!

Every fanbase overvalues their team's players and undervalues another team's players. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Best not to get up in arms about it lest you want to be a sad internet man.

Come on man Rubio is washed up and owed 18 mil. Beasley is decent , but a part time jail bird.
Nobody ! Would trade Simmons for that even if Minnesota threw in 3 First round picks.

[VCfor3]

Every fanbase overvalues their team's players and undervalues another team's players. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Best not to get up in arms about it lest you want to be a sad internet man.

Come on man Rubio is washed up and owed 18 mil. Beasley is decent , but a part time jail bird.
Nobody ! Would trade Simmons for that even if Minnesota threw in 3 First round picks.

I think it was the "NBA Front Office" podcast that talked about the Kings/Philly Simmons discussion. According to them it went something like Philly asking for one of Hali or Fox, Kings saying no and that they want to do a Bagley/Hield package, and Philly saying they'd want three 1sts in such a deal. If so then maybe Rubio, Beasley, and three 1sts (or two 1sts and a pick swap?) could have some legs. Just depends on what kind of offers Philly gets for Simmons and if they instead use him in a bigger deal for Dame or another upgrade (though you could potentially be a 3rd team in such a deal if Portland or whoever wants).

[Godaddycurse]

Come on man Rubio is washed up and owed 18 mil. Beasley is decent , but a part time jail bird.
Nobody ! Would trade Simmons for that even if Minnesota threw in 3 First round picks.

I think it was the "NBA Front Office" podcast that talked about the Kings/Philly Simmons discussion. According to them it went something like Philly asking for one of Hali or Fox, Kings saying no and that they want to do a Bagley/Hield package, and Philly saying they'd want three 1sts in such a deal. If so then maybe Rubio, Beasley, and three 1sts (or two 1sts and a pick swap?) could have some legs. Just depends on what kind of offers Philly gets for Simmons and if they instead use him in a bigger deal for Dame or another upgrade (though you could potentially be a 3rd team in such a deal if Portland or whoever wants).

Difference is kings own pick 9, which is probably worth 2 (or more) of minny's future 1sts after Simmons join them.

[VCfor3]

I think it was the "NBA Front Office" podcast that talked about the Kings/Philly Simmons discussion. According to them it went something like Philly asking for one of Hali or Fox, Kings saying no and that they want to do a Bagley/Hield package, and Philly saying they'd want three 1sts in such a deal. If so then maybe Rubio, Beasley, and three 1sts (or two 1sts and a pick swap?) could have some legs. Just depends on what kind of offers Philly gets for Simmons and if they instead use him in a bigger deal for Dame or another upgrade (though you could potentially be a 3rd team in such a deal if Portland or whoever wants).

Difference is kings own pick 9, which is probably worth 2 (or more) of minny's future 1sts after Simmons join them.

Yes but I could also see Philly saying something like 22, 24, and 26 1sts if Sac said no to #9. It's hard since we aren't in the room, but yeah you are right they probably asked for #9 as one of the picks. The other thing is that Sac seemingly said no to that deal. So even if that is what Philly asked for, the MIN package may ultimately be the best package actually offered.

[shrink]

Come on man Rubio is washed up and owed 18 mil. Beasley is decent , but a part time jail bird.
Nobody ! Would trade Simmons for that even if Minnesota threw in 3 First round picks.

I think it was the "NBA Front Office" podcast that talked about the Kings/Philly Simmons discussion. According to them it went something like Philly asking for one of Hali or Fox, Kings saying no and that they want to do a Bagley/Hield package, and Philly saying they'd want three 1sts in such a deal. If so then maybe Rubio, Beasley, and three 1sts (or two 1sts and a pick swap?) could have some legs. Just depends on what kind of offers Philly gets for Simmons and if they instead use him in a bigger deal for Dame or another upgrade (though you could potentially be a 3rd team in such a deal if Portland or whoever wants).

I listened to that too. They also pointed out that this was just what Morey was asking, not that SAC would, or should, do it.

Incidentally, Rubio just led Spain with 23 vs Team USA on Saturday, and he was the MVP of the EuroLeague finals last year. He is not “washed up.” Remind me again, how does Ben Simmons do when the games count?

[SO_MONEY]

I think it was the "NBA Front Office" podcast that talked about the Kings/Philly Simmons discussion. According to them it went something like Philly asking for one of Hali or Fox, Kings saying no and that they want to do a Bagley/Hield package, and Philly saying they'd want three 1sts in such a deal. If so then maybe Rubio, Beasley, and three 1sts (or two 1sts and a pick swap?) could have some legs. Just depends on what kind of offers Philly gets for Simmons and if they instead use him in a bigger deal for Dame or another upgrade (though you could potentially be a 3rd team in such a deal if Portland or whoever wants).

Difference is kings own pick 9, which is probably worth 2 (or more) of minny's future 1sts after Simmons join them.

This draft is kind of weak. There is kind of a dead spot after 6, with the value being fairly consistent all the way to the end of the 2nd. I wouldn't even want to draft "high" in this draft given salary difference. I don't think pick 9 in this draft gets much.

[Klomp]

I think it was the "NBA Front Office" podcast that talked about the Kings/Philly Simmons discussion. According to them it went something like Philly asking for one of Hali or Fox, Kings saying no and that they want to do a Bagley/Hield package, and Philly saying they'd want three 1sts in such a deal. If so then maybe Rubio, Beasley, and three 1sts (or two 1sts and a pick swap?) could have some legs. Just depends on what kind of offers Philly gets for Simmons and if they instead use him in a bigger deal for Dame or another upgrade (though you could potentially be a 3rd team in such a deal if Portland or whoever wants).

Difference is kings own pick 9, which is probably worth 2 (or more) of minny's future 1sts after Simmons join them.

Probably, but I think there's a hint of skepticism in front offices where they think Minnesota might always be mediocre.

[Neeva]

Rosas just needs to be patient if he really wants Simmons. I truly believe Simmons’ value will continue to plummet. Rosas pulled the trigger way too soon on dlo. He probably could have gotten him just for wiggins and the swap of 1 and 2:/. Dlo’ value has plummeted since the all star replacement appearance (to the surprise of no one)

[jpatrick]

I think it was the "NBA Front Office" podcast that talked about the Kings/Philly Simmons discussion. According to them it went something like Philly asking for one of Hali or Fox, Kings saying no and that they want to do a Bagley/Hield package, and Philly saying they'd want three 1sts in such a deal. If so then maybe Rubio, Beasley, and three 1sts (or two 1sts and a pick swap?) could have some legs. Just depends on what kind of offers Philly gets for Simmons and if they instead use him in a bigger deal for Dame or another upgrade (though you could potentially be a 3rd team in such a deal if Portland or whoever wants).

Difference is kings own pick 9, which is probably worth 2 (or more) of minny's future 1sts after Simmons join them.

I used to think the #9 gave the Kings the edge. I’m not sure now. Big game like Lillard, Beal, Lavine, if they are ever dealt, will not be dealt by the draft.

Does Morey move Simmons before they become available for lesser win-now players (McCollum?) or does he move Simmons now for assets to trade when big game becomes available. If he wants assets, future picks usually worth more than a player just drafted. Like a car, a pick is devalued as soon as it is turned into a player.

I think our future picks will be worth more in a future Lillard deal than someone like Bouknight, Wagner, Johnson, or Moody. Especially if our picks are only lightly protected, given our history of being horrible.

The other thing to note that if a third team wants a shiny new thing, like a rookie taken at 9, we could include Bolmaro, who Schmitz said may be a late lotto pick if available this year.

[King Malta]

I think it was the "NBA Front Office" podcast that talked about the Kings/Philly Simmons discussion. According to them it went something like Philly asking for one of Hali or Fox, Kings saying no and that they want to do a Bagley/Hield package, and Philly saying they'd want three 1sts in such a deal. If so then maybe Rubio, Beasley, and three 1sts (or two 1sts and a pick swap?) could have some legs. Just depends on what kind of offers Philly gets for Simmons and if they instead use him in a bigger deal for Dame or another upgrade (though you could potentially be a 3rd team in such a deal if Portland or whoever wants).

I listened to that too. They also pointed out that this was just what Morey was asking, not that SAC would, or should, do it.

Incidentally, Rubio just led Spain with 23 vs Team USA on Saturday, and he was the MVP of the EuroLeague finals last year. He is not “washed up.” Remind me again, how does Ben Simmons do when the games count?

I'd like to gently remind you of my comment about Philly fans the other day, shrink.

[Dewey]

Culver <> Toppin and pick swap … we take Trey Murphy @ #19 … we send lottery protected FRP.

[shangrila]

Culver <> Toppin and pick swap … we take Trey Murphy @ #19 … we send lottery protected FRP.

I really don't like Toppin so I'd probably pass.

[shrink]

Culver <> Toppin and pick swap … we take Trey Murphy @ #19 … we send lottery protected FRP.

I’m not a Toppin fan myself, but I agree that swapping with another poorly performing, big name player is probably realistic. GM’s care about their jobs, and if they can sell a trade as, “we think the other guy has star potential!”, it helps hide the fact they made a bad pick. I am not a fan of Marvin Bagley either, but a swap seems like a good CYA move for both GM’s.

Now, Culver has failed for two seasons, and Toppin only one, so maybe we need to add value, but both players would probably have access to more minutes. I am not sure Culver will ever be a good player if he stays in MIN, and a fresh start anywhere might help, but I worry that the pressures of NY media and fans would make him a bad fit. Maybe a three-way?

[Baseline81]

Culver <> Toppin and pick swap … we take Trey Murphy @ #19 … we send lottery protected FRP.

Because Rosas and Finch will push for the playoffs, I doubt a player entering his second season (Toppin) and a rookie (Murphy) will help in that matter.

I don't like including a future first round pick when it could possibly be used in a transaction for a better talent.

[Klomp]

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Nice backup plan

[jpatrick]

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Nice backup plan

Gallo and Markkanen are similar players. Gallo probably better at the moment because of experience but he’s completely washed defensively. PF shooters that play no defense. Our defense man. Would be bad. So bad.

Would Atlanta do Rubio for Gallo? Gives them a backup PG and and expiring contract to help with future salary obligations. Although Gallo’s second year is only guaranteed for 5m.

Obviously, would prefer Simmons, Collins, Isaac, Turner, etc., they’re all long shots.

[Nick K]

If Minny get Simmons in any deal there giving up a lot more than Rubio Beasley and 2 top 8 protected FRP!

Every fanbase overvalues their team's players and undervalues another team's players. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Best not to get up in arms about it lest you want to be a sad internet man.

Except in Minnesota where we always vastly undervalue our guys and over rate their guys.

[Nick K]

Read on Twitter

Nice backup plan

Gallo and Markkanen are similar players. Gallo probably better at the moment because of experience but he’s completely washed defensively. PF shooters that play no defense. Our defense man. Would be bad. So bad.

Would Atlanta do Rubio for Gallo? Gives them a backup PG and and expiring contract to help with future salary obligations. Although Gallo’s second year is only guaranteed for 5m.

Obviously, would prefer Simmons, Collins, Isaac, Turner, etc., they’re all long shots.

Maybe we could do Beasley, Layman or Okogie for Gallo? The Wolves just have to play decent team defense. The key is not missing defensive assignments. And that's coaching and effort.

[SO_MONEY]

Read on Twitter

Nice backup plan

Gallo and Markkanen are similar players. Gallo probably better at the moment because of experience but he’s completely washed defensively. PF shooters that play no defense. Our defense man. Would be bad. So bad.

Would Atlanta do Rubio for Gallo? Gives them a backup PG and and expiring contract to help with future salary obligations. Although Gallo’s second year is only guaranteed for 5m.

Obviously, would prefer Simmons, Collins, Isaac, Turner, etc., they’re all long shots.

Maybe we could do Beasley, Layman or Okogie for Gallo? The Wolves just have to play decent team defense. The key is not missing defensive assignments. And that's coaching and effort.

No chance I would give up Beasley for him...not even up anyways.

[ClarkeW]

Gallinari wouldn’t be my first choice due to the lack of defense, but you can never have enough shooting. If we’re able to acquire him for Rubio & filler (Culver, Hernangomez or Layman) I’m not going to be upset.