Prospect Thread: James Wiseman

[BigSlam]

Hayward/Roizer+11 for Wiseman and 7 would be absolute bank robbery by us. Hayward won't play enough games next season to have an actual impact, and Terry would be missed, but he is also gonna demand a big contract soon.

Considering the Warriors current salary Vs cap situation, how do you propose they take on the additional (approx) $20mil per year?

[Liver_Pooty]

Hayward/Roizer+11 for Wiseman and 7 would be absolute bank robbery by us. Hayward won't play enough games next season to have an actual impact, and Terry would be missed, but he is also gonna demand a big contract soon.

Would be probably the worst trade in the history of the franchise.

[KingCat]

Hayward/Roizer+11 for Wiseman and 7 would be absolute bank robbery by us. Hayward won't play enough games next season to have an actual impact, and Terry would be missed, but he is also gonna demand a big contract soon.

Would be probably the worst trade in the history of the franchise.

Please eloborate on how trading a injury 31 year old fringe allstar on a huge contract for young talent would be the worst trade in franchise history (and this is a franchise that has no shortages of failure)

If you are afraid that dropping Hayward ruins our playoff chances, then you need to get real. Playoffs will be a long shot with or without Hayward unless Ball and Miles make big strides this offseason. The Bucks, Nets, 76ers, Hawks, Heat, and Knicks will all be better than us next season. The Pacers, Raptors, Pacers, and Celtics will also be improved. Hayward isn't the kind of player that you pass young talent over because he might lead you to a 8th seed; especially considering he will play all of probably 55 games next season.

[driveandkick]

Hayward/Roizer+11 for Wiseman and 7 would be absolute bank robbery by us. Hayward won't play enough games next season to have an actual impact, and Terry would be missed, but he is also gonna demand a big contract soon.

Would be probably the worst trade in the history of the franchise.

Please eloborate on how trading a injury 31 year old fringe allstar on a huge contract for young talent would be the worst trade in franchise history (and this is a franchise that has no shortages of failure)

If you are afraid that dropping Hayward ruins our playoff chances, then you need to get real. Playoffs will be a long shot with or without Hayward unless Ball and Miles make big strides this offseason. The Bucks, Nets, 76ers, Hawks, Heat, and Knicks will all be better than us next season. The Pacers, Raptors, Pacers, and Celtics will also be improved. Hayward isn't the kind of player that you pass young talent over because he might lead you to a 8th seed; especially considering he will play all of probably 55 games next season.

youre trading two good players for one bad player.

[Liver_Pooty]

Hayward/Roizer+11 for Wiseman and 7 would be absolute bank robbery by us. Hayward won't play enough games next season to have an actual impact, and Terry would be missed, but he is also gonna demand a big contract soon.

Would be probably the worst trade in the history of the franchise.

Please eloborate on how trading a injury 31 year old fringe allstar on a huge contract for young talent would be the worst trade in franchise history (and this is a franchise that has no shortages of failure)

If you are afraid that dropping Hayward ruins our playoff chances, then you need to get real. Playoffs will be a long shot with or without Hayward unless Ball and Miles make big strides this offseason. The Bucks, Nets, 76ers, Hawks, Heat, and Knicks will all be better than us next season. The Pacers, Raptors, Pacers, and Celtics will also be improved. Hayward isn't the kind of player that you pass young talent over because he might lead you to a 8th seed; especially considering he will play all of probably 55 games next season.

Your offer is essentially a fringe all star who is a very good player for an unproven guy who's team is willing to trade him after one season and to move up 4 whole spots in the draft. Can do way better than that for Hayward. Warriors would take that and run.

[luciano-davidwesley]

People here are acting like a 31 year old extremely injury prone, soft, fringe all-star on a bad contract with three years left is some great asset.

[Liver_Pooty]

People here are acting like a 31 year old extremely injury prone, soft, fringe all-star on a bad contract with three years left is some great asset.

Better than moving up 4 spots and for an unproven big man. Lol.

[KingCat]

People here are acting like a 31 year old extremely injury prone, soft, fringe all-star on a bad contract with three years left is some great asset.

Better than moving up 4 spots and for an unproven big man. Lol.

Haywards 55 games will certainly propel us to a 10th seed again. Can't wait to see who we pick at 11 in 2022.

[Liver_Pooty]

People here are acting like a 31 year old extremely injury prone, soft, fringe all-star on a bad contract with three years left is some great asset.

Better than moving up 4 spots and for an unproven big man. Lol.

Haywards 55 games will certainly propel us to a 10th seed again. Can't wait to see who we pick at 11 in 2022.

If that happens it's more of an indictment of our front offices inability to fill holes on the roster and lack of development than Gordon Hayward.

[Rays Pompadour]

Better than moving up 4 spots and for an unproven big man. Lol.

Haywards 55 games will certainly propel us to a 10th seed again. Can't wait to see who we pick at 11 in 2022.

If that happens it's more of an indictment of our front offices inability to fill holes on the roster and lack of development than Gordon Hayward.

Decent track record of developing young players so far. The other part...well, not so good. Hayward was an opportunity buy, which isn't filling a hole as much as reaffirming an approach. Kupchak's inability to "fill a hole" this spring cost the Hornets a playoff spot.

[tondi123]

Any time you are getting the third best player in a three player deal you may want to reconsider.

[LofJ]

Haywards 55 games will certainly propel us to a 10th seed again. Can't wait to see who we pick at 11 in 2022.

If that happens it's more of an indictment of our front offices inability to fill holes on the roster and lack of development than Gordon Hayward.

Decent track record of developing young players so far. The other part...well, not so good. Hayward was an opportunity buy, which isn't filling a hole as much as reaffirming an approach. Kupchak's inability to "fill a hole" this spring cost the Hornets a playoff spot.

There are a lot of bigs good enough to make a rotation. But the difference making bigs are the hardest players to find. It isn't a coincidence that bigs with wing skillsets have won back to back championships (Davis, Giannis).

I think a lot of people (myself included) convinced themselves that Wiseman could be such a player. We haven't had a really good two-way big since Mourning. So I totally understand the allure of James Wiseman.

All that said Kupchak could easily trade away a protected 1st to bring in someone like Valanciunas, Adams, Zubac, etc. Yeah, we'd be a slightly better team, but it would be a short-term play with little payoff. He is being patient and avoiding the impulse to overpay for a marginal upgrade.

I hope that patience will payoff and the right opportunity will present itself.

[Rays Pompadour]

If that happens it's more of an indictment of our front offices inability to fill holes on the roster and lack of development than Gordon Hayward.

Decent track record of developing young players so far. The other part...well, not so good. Hayward was an opportunity buy, which isn't filling a hole as much as reaffirming an approach. Kupchak's inability to "fill a hole" this spring cost the Hornets a playoff spot.

There are a lot of bigs good enough to make a rotation. But the difference making bigs are the hardest players to find. It isn't a coincidence that bigs with wing skillsets have won back to back championships (Davis, Giannis).

I think a lot of people (myself included) convinced themselves that Wiseman could be such a player. We haven't had a really good two-way big since Mourning. So I totally understand the allure of James Wiseman.

All that said Kupchak could easily trade away a protected 1st to bring in someone like Valanciunas, Adams, Zubac, etc. Yeah, we'd be a slightly better team, but it would be a short-term play with little payoff. He is being patient and avoiding the impulse to overpay for a marginal upgrade.

I hope that patience will payoff and the right opportunity will present itself.

I also prefer a patient approach. It could be argued that Kupchak overpaid for marginal 'value' (not upgrade) in Hayward. I liked the move, personally. It was an overpay, but Hayward's a solid player when healthy and an asset. So, adding Hayward wasn't an impatient move in this context.

That said, I think a man can be TOO conservative. Kupchak's failure to address the center position (an obvious problem) cost his team a playoff spot. Won't cry over it, but that's the fact. A lottery pick will help soothe the pain, I guess.

But let's be honest. Letting things come to you, hoping and wishing another good opportunity falls in your lap, is not a legitimate build strategy. It's the suck for all eternity strategy. At some point, Kupchak will have to make a difference-making move or the Hornets will be on the treadmill forever and will waste Ball's years in Charlotte like they did with Kemba.

[JMAC3]

The Warriors aren't trading Wiseman to us straight up, it's not going to be some giant two-team deal where we send them Hayward.
If they are trading Wiseman it will be in a deal with 7th for a player that is a superstar like Beal, Dame or Simmons. We would have to be the third team because the acquiring team doesn't love Wiseman.

We do not need Wiseman to increase our ceiling, if the Warriors really thought Wiseman was going to be a future star they would not trade him because his low salary would raise their floor. The fact they are even considering trading him is a red flag to me, especially when they have other assets like 7 and 14 to improve their team.

For those saying we are headed for a treadmill team, that is just laughable. We have the ROY, who has the ability to improve and also the ability to make everyone around him better. Miles Bridges showed a ton of promise, we have the 11th pick, PJ is still super solid, and only 23. Add in really solid scorers in Terry and Gordon and this team has 3x the talent we ever put around Kemba, and Melo is probably going to be twice as good as Kemba ever was... oh and we have 20+ million to sign another really good player in free agency.

Some of the posters here, just can't understand that we are happy to have players older than 26 years old.. it's okay to not always be in a constant rebuild where we are trading all of our proven assets for guys that have proven nothing just because they are young.

[Rays Pompadour]

The Warriors aren't trading Wiseman to us straight up, it's not going to be some giant two-team deal where we send them Hayward.
If they are trading Wiseman it will be in a deal with 7th for a player that is a superstar like Beal, Dame or Simmons. We would have to be the third team because the acquiring team doesn't love Wiseman.

We do not need Wiseman to increase our ceiling, if the Warriors really thought Wiseman was going to be a future star they would not trade him because his low salary would raise their floor. The fact they are even considering trading him is a red flag to me, especially when they have other assets like 7 and 14 to improve their team.

For those saying we are headed for a treadmill team, that is just laughable. We have the ROY, who has the ability to improve and also the ability to make everyone around him better. Miles Bridges showed a ton of promise, we have the 11th pick, PJ is still super solid, and only 23. Add in really solid scorers in Terry and Gordon and this team has 3x the talent we ever put around Kemba, and Melo is probably going to be twice as good as Kemba ever was... oh and we have 20+ million to sign another really good player in free agency.

Some of the posters here, just can't understand that we are happy to have players older than 26 years old.. it's okay to not always be in a constant rebuild where we are trading all of our proven assets for guys that have proven nothing just because they are young.

Well, I'm not sure anyone other than a couple of posters are saying we're headed for a treadmill existence. I agree with you completely that the Hornets have a bright future. I really like their dedication to the draft-and-development approach. And I can't really complain about Kupchak's moves in free agency.

But I do think being too-conservative, hoping and wishing for fate to favor you, is a treadmill-for-life strategy. It hurt that a lack of a move at center (I even created a thread on the topic) cost the team a playoff spot. Thus, the continuing discussion on Wiseman. I couldn't care less about James Wiseman. He'd be nice to acquire for a reasonable price. But I like the IDEA of him. And I hope and wish that Kupchak makes a move to address the obvious need.

It's not a strategy that worked well for me last spring, but, hey, there's always tomorrow.

[JDR720]

I'd trade for Wiseman.

He is better than our current bigs and better than whoever we could draft.

But we have nothing GS would want. Gordon is a very good fit for them, but he isn't the caliber of player they'd want. Trading Wiseman is all about making the most out of Steph and Klay's latter few years of their primes. Adding another injury prone player isn't that trade, even if he is a great fit.

[KingCat]

I don't think the Warriors are trading Wiseman on draft night anyway. Probably gonna wait till after the Olympics to monitor the Lillard situation.

[GoBobs]

Warriors wouldn’t trade Wiseman if he was close to contributing at starter level. If they are thinking about moving him it is because they have faced the fact that he is years away from being a good player.

If we are going to target a raw talented guy and hope we can develop him, Mo Bamba seems like a better target. Either guy would probably be a long shot to become as good as Hayward is right now.

In order to solve our center problem right now free agency is probably a better option. Someone like Whiteside, McGee or similar we can buy low and plug in right away expecting better results. Sengun is also a great option in the draft because he already knows how to play basketball.

[SWedd523]

Do we even know they're actually trying to move him? Or are we just attaching definites to rumors?

And to say Bamba is a better target is just pure silliness. Wiseman is 3 years younger and already better with a much brighter outlook

[yosemiteben]

Do we even know they're actually trying to move him? Or are we just attaching definites to rumors?

The latter. We just know that their window is closing and there are rumors that they are being pressured to find another star.