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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1661 » by newyorker4ever » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:20 am

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DaGawd wrote:If our future is depending on Knox Obi and picks 19 and 21 then the future is bleak..


I said part of our future and part of our future is two 1st round picks and the kid we just drafted last year 8th overall. Maybe you don't value 1st round picks as much as i do but this is a strong draft that we could find good player with those picks at. Last years draft wasn't as strong as this draft and we got IQ at #25. We could trade those two picks and move into the lottery.

Those 3 are absolutely part of our future. Knox is obviously meh.

Sexton is a clear upgrade over all 3 and can be part of the future. Y’all some hoarders some of y’all lol


Sexton is a clear upgrade over a kid we saw for 8 minutes a game and two 1st round picks that we have zero idea of what they become? ...Ummmmmmm alrighty then.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1662 » by DaGawd » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:22 am

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I said part of our future and part of our future is two 1st round picks and the kid we just drafted last year 8th overall. Maybe you don't value 1st round picks as much as i do but this is a strong draft that we could find good player with those picks at. Last years draft wasn't as strong as this draft and we got IQ at #25. We could trade those two picks and move into the lottery.

Those 3 are absolutely part of our future. Knox is obviously meh.

Sexton is a clear upgrade over all 3 and can be part of the future. Y’all some hoarders some of y’all lol


Sexton is a clear upgrade over a kid we saw for 8 minutes a game and two 1st round picks that we have zero idea of what they become? ...Ummmmmmm alrighty then.
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Yep. Averaging 24 ppg in his 3rd year on really solid percentages.. he has a clear path to being an offensive star in the league on his current trajectory
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1663 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:14 am

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Dude, please.

That's a one step forward one step back move

Also, by mentioning trading RJ, you've summoned Candyman



I think Candyman got bannedeyman

Damn for real? What was the final straw? :lol:


Clues can be found in the RJ Barrett thread, even though the actual posts have been deleted.
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Post#1664 » by DaGawd » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:30 am

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I think Candyman got bannedeyman

Damn for real? What was the final straw? :lol:


Clues can be found in the RJ Barrett thread, even though the actual posts have been deleted.

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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1665 » by Adelheid » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:41 am

I woudnt trade Obi just yet
Athletic tweeners with absurd wingspan (7'4) aint common
I think he might be able to play C in limited spurts
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Post#1666 » by Ballerhogger » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:58 am

DaGawd wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
DaGawd wrote:Sexton is a clear upgrade over all 3 and can be part of the future. Y’all some hoarders some of y’all lol


Sexton is a clear upgrade over a kid we saw for 8 minutes a game and two 1st round picks that we have zero idea of what they become? ...Ummmmmmm alrighty then.
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Yep. Averaging 24 ppg in his 3rd year on really solid percentages.. he has a clear path to being an offensive star in the league on his current trajectory

Exactly .

Player A 24ppg
Player B 17.6

I mean is clear the Knicks need scoring.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1667 » by Meat » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:00 am

newyorker4ever wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
I said part of our future and part of our future is two 1st round picks and the kid we just drafted last year 8th overall. Maybe you don't value 1st round picks as much as i do but this is a strong draft that we could find good player with those picks at. Last years draft wasn't as strong as this draft and we got IQ at #25. We could trade those two picks and move into the lottery.

Those 3 are absolutely part of our future. Knox is obviously meh.

Sexton is a clear upgrade over all 3 and can be part of the future. Y’all some hoarders some of y’all lol


Sexton is a clear upgrade over a kid we saw for 8 minutes a game and two 1st round picks that we have zero idea of what they become? ...Ummmmmmm alrighty then.
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Let’s bring back Bennet to the league , he’s a 1st round pick. We have no idea what he’ll become
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Post#1668 » by RHODEY » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:12 am

Ballerhogger wrote:if trading RJ is what takes to get sexton you gotta do it .


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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

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Post#1670 » by Jimmit79 » Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:59 am

If people have problem paying sexton they're going to lose there mind when RJ is up for extension demanding tatum type contract while playing like bullock.

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Post#1671 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:14 pm

Jimmit79 wrote:If people have problem paying sexton they're going to lose there mind when RJ is up for extension demanding tatum type contract while playing like bullock.

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Post#1672 » by Chanel Bomber » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:39 pm

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So, here's the plan:

- Trade for Sexton
- Don't extend Randle before the season starts
- See how the season goes
- Decide to trade Randle or let him expire, decide to sign Sexton or not (likely they would after giving up around 3 assets) and see if there is any clarification on RJ's development path.
- Pursue other max cat, either to put with Randle\Sexton\RJ or in place of Randle, or even RJ


I'm not sure I agree about the offense.
It wasn't that bad even when it played at a slow pace and dragging around boat anchor Elf for half the game and relying on one dimensional Bullocks as the 3rd option.

Also, getting Sexton enables the Knicks to pursue a max cat the following season, with or without Randle.

I swear. All of you act like all the moves to make the team elite need to happen all at once, immediately.

I don't think the moves need to happen all at once, I'm just very skeptical of the foundation.

Building around a core that really has no chance (in my view) is kind of a waste of time. Although the bar has been set so low for this franchise that first-round exits are being marketed as success.

Our offense was average in the regular season against teams that didn't have the time to seriously gameplan against us. It was completely exposed in the playoffs.

I personally trust neither Thibs nor the personnel to turn this core into a serious contender, as long as both RJ and Julius are on the team, let alone with Thibs being so inflexible about playing a rim protector at all times. I think there's something fundamentally wrong with this core that will put a ceiling on any success they might experience. I hope I'm wrong.

PS: also losing Randle for nothing would be a disaster.


You see nothing good about the core, yet losing Randle is a disaster. That's kind of humorous.

I mean, of course they should capture some assets if he's going, but that would mean taking some salary back.


Anyway, essentially what you are saying is, RJ, Randle, IQ and Mitch are ass, so Knicks should just tear it all down and tank, since there isn't any path to competing with them.

I mean, take away Sexton, who would form such a sh*t core, and you are left with Randle and RJ and IQ, and since they aren't compelling, Knicks should just do the OKC and trade everyone for picks. You know. If anyone will have them.

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There are several things I really like about the core. I just don't trust Thibs to be the guy who will lead this franchise to significant playoff success, and I don't like the pairing of RJ and Randle, who I believe put a ceiling on this team when paired together due to their inefficiency and their inability to get easy baskets. I don't trust that we'll see significant playoff success at any point with this duo, let alone under this coach. Also there's a difference between how I personally value Randle and his perceived value around the league. Losing Randle for nothing would be a disaster because he has value around the league, and because he has value period. I never said he wasn't any good. He and RJ just don't fit, especially playing alongside a rim protector. And I'm a proponent of acting early instead of making a decision only once their respective values have dwindled.
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Post#1673 » by Ray Williams » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:47 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Jimmit79 wrote:If people have problem paying sexton they're going to lose there mind when RJ is up for extension demanding tatum type contract while playing like bullock.

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Post#1674 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:41 pm

SGA and pick # 6 for Sexton and #3

OKC then trades Sexton next year for another #1 of some kind
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Post#1675 » by Appleshampoo » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:02 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:SGA and pick # 6 for Sexton and #3

OKC then trades Sexton next year for another #1 of some kind


It seems highly likely OKC trades SGA and 6 to move up when reading the tea leaves.
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Post#1676 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:24 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:SGA and pick # 6 for Sexton and #3

OKC then trades Sexton next year for another #1 of some kind


It seems highly likely OKC trades SGA and 6 to move up when reading the tea leaves.


It's certainly the reason he was mentioned as "available"

They have quite a few young players.
They have 3 first round picks in this draft and 3 second round picks
Technically, they could draft all of them, but is it likely?
Without looking it up, I know OKC probably has roughly 3.5 picks a year for the next 4 or 5 years.
They will be making trades.

Also, with some cap space and a bunch of picks, I see OKC getting involved in facilitating trades for other teams (this year) and accruing even more assets.
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Post#1677 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:24 pm

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Jimmit79 wrote:If people have problem paying sexton they're going to lose there mind when RJ is up for extension demanding tatum type contract while playing like bullock.

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Post#1678 » by rammagen » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:28 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:SGA and pick # 6 for Sexton and #3

OKC then trades Sexton next year for another #1 of some kind

I think they want to move to the #1 pick hence the SGA rumors. At the 3 the cavs can get suggs then move on from sexton for the picks the night of the draft. The key is what happens at the 2.

I can see the sexton trade but why would the cavs move down then have to max out a player in a yr when they can get suggs under control for 5 yrs without having to max him out. Move on from sexton and get picks plus a young player they dont have to max out. There is a salary game going on here that needs to be kept in mind with these trades.

The Knicks have 3 picks plus a swap available plus Knox and maybe Obi or Quick but I see the Knicks wanting to keep Obi and Quickly (Salary reasons)and moving on from Knox who wont be a max player but may ask for more money. I think the Knicks will up to the late lottery for a player (who is the question, this management team is very tight lipped) is my bet or trade the picks for Sexton and Knox the night of the draft.

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"I asked five sources for a team in the first round most likely to move up, and they all said the Knicks. The Knicks have picks No. 19 and 21, along with two second-rounders and an extra top-ten protected pick in 2023 (from Dallas). Multiple sources said there’s a player in the low teens that they have targeted, but no one’s sure who it is. 1 day ago – via Matt Moore @ Action Network"
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Post#1679 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:30 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:I don't think the moves need to happen all at once, I'm just very skeptical of the foundation.

Building around a core that really has no chance (in my view) is kind of a waste of time. Although the bar has been set so low for this franchise that first-round exits are being marketed as success.

Our offense was average in the regular season against teams that didn't have the time to seriously gameplan against us. It was completely exposed in the playoffs.

I personally trust neither Thibs nor the personnel to turn this core into a serious contender, as long as both RJ and Julius are on the team, let alone with Thibs being so inflexible about playing a rim protector at all times. I think there's something fundamentally wrong with this core that will put a ceiling on any success they might experience. I hope I'm wrong.

PS: also losing Randle for nothing would be a disaster.


You see nothing good about the core, yet losing Randle is a disaster. That's kind of humorous.

I mean, of course they should capture some assets if he's going, but that would mean taking some salary back.


Anyway, essentially what you are saying is, RJ, Randle, IQ and Mitch are ass, so Knicks should just tear it all down and tank, since there isn't any path to competing with them.

I mean, take away Sexton, who would form such a sh*t core, and you are left with Randle and RJ and IQ, and since they aren't compelling, Knicks should just do the OKC and trade everyone for picks. You know. If anyone will have them.

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There are several things I really like about the core. I just don't trust Thibs to be the guy who will lead this franchise to significant playoff success, and I don't like the pairing of RJ and Randle, who I believe put a ceiling on this team when paired together due to their inefficiency and their inability to get easy baskets. I don't trust that we'll see significant playoff success at any point with this duo, let alone under this coach. Also there's a difference between how I personally value Randle and his perceived value around the league. Losing Randle for nothing would be a disaster because he has value around the league, and because he has value period. I never said he wasn't any good. He and RJ just don't fit, especially playing alongside a rim protector. And I'm a proponent of acting early instead of making a decision only once their respective values have dwindled.



I'd still make the Sexton move if:
I didn't believe in the Randle & RJ pairing
I didn't believe in Thibs

Why?
First off, I'd rather the deal not include Obi, even if I don't think Obi is that great, because he may yet still improve as an asset. He won't lose THAT much value in another season and might gain some. Also, he's a cheap PF on the roster if the team moves away from Randle. So, my HOPE is that Knicks are able to get Sexton for 19,32 and Knox.

Moving on, still trade for Sexton as Knicks get a year to try out a good young guard which raises their asset base
Sexton might wind up getting signed by the Knicks, but they would still have the $ to add a top tier player like LaVine or Beal to Randle\RJ\Sexton\Mitch\IQ
IF Randle and RJ aren't a good fit, but the team has already added a Beal or Lavine, Knicks are still positioned to deal Randle or RJ for a better fitting player.
Sexton is actually also an example of acting and acting early.

What Thibs can and can't deliver as a head coach I'd address after another 2 seasons, where either Kenny Payne or Johnny Bryant gets made head coach.

My gut feeling is Thibs is going to coach for 3 seasons total, get "promoted" into the FO and Johnny Bryant will become head coach.
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Post#1680 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:33 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:SGA and pick # 6 for Sexton and #3

OKC then trades Sexton next year for another #1 of some kind

I think they want to move to the #1 pick hence the SGA rumors. At the 3 the cavs can get suggs then move on from sexton for the picks the night of the draft. The key is what happens at the 2.

I can see the sexton trade but why would the cavs move down then have to max out a player in a yr when they can get suggs under control for 5 yrs without having to max him out. Move on from sexton and get picks plus a young player they dont have to max out. There is a salary game going on here that needs to be kept in mind with these trades.

The Knicks have 3 picks plus a swap available plus Knox and maybe Obi or Quick but I see the Knicks wanting to keep Obi and Quickly (Salary reasons)and moving on from Knox who wont be a max player but may ask for more money. I think the Knicks will up to the late lottery for a player (who is the question, this management team is very tight lipped) is my bet or trade the picks for Sexton and Knox the night of the draft.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-free-agency-draft-rumors-bulls-big-spenders
"I asked five sources for a team in the first round most likely to move up, and they all said the Knicks. The Knicks have picks No. 19 and 21, along with two second-rounders and an extra top-ten protected pick in 2023 (from Dallas). Multiple sources said there’s a player in the low teens that they have targeted, but no one’s sure who it is. 1 day ago – via Matt Moore @ Action Network"


I'd love to see the Knicks use 2021 #19,21,32,58 and that 2023 Mavs pick to:

Trade for Sexton
Move up for a player in the low teens
Somehow still have 1 pick left over for a cheap role player - though I obviously care less about this 3rd step if first 2 happen

Low teens = Indiana, Golden State, Washington. SA and Washington/OKC if you want to expand the list a bit.
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