2021 NBA Draft, Part 2

Post #441 » by **Marcus** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:35 pm

clyde21 wrote:wow...makes sense on some level honestly because it was kinda heard fitting him into the 1st round if that's the grade he was lookin for.

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well damn.

WargamesX · Post #442 » by **WargamesX** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:08 pm

peZt wrote:
clyde21 wrote:wow...makes sense on some level honestly because it was kinda heard fitting him into the 1st round if that's the grade he was lookin for.

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He was the most underrated prospect of the draft. With a strong season and a weaker draft class next year I can see him going top 10 next year

He would have been a lottery candidate this year if he could just shoot the 3 ball reliably. Another year in the gym should help him with that.

clyde21 · Post #443 » by **clyde21** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:36 pm

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Post #444 » by **Marcus** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:11 am

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What's the word on Sylla? Feel like he was hot in these prospect streets a year ago.

Roger Murdock · Post #445 » by **Roger Murdock** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:41 am

Quick mock based on my guesses right now:
1. DET - Cade
2. HOU - Green
3. CLE - Mobley
4. TOR - Barnes
5. ORL - Suggs
6. OKC - Giddey
7. GSW - Moody
8. ORL - Kumminga
9. SAC - Wagner
10. NOP - Bouknight
11. CHA - Sengung
12. SAS - Garuba
13. IND - Springer
14. GSW - Johnson

clyde21 · Post #446 » by **clyde21** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:00 am

^ my lotto mock for now

Blood Orange · Post #447 » by **Blood Orange** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:16 am

If the Raps select Barnes over Suggs, I'd be devastated.

NYPiston · Post #448 » by **NYPiston** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:01 am

So you guys are buying into the Barnes over Suggs hype? Personally, I'd be shocked if Toronto didn't take Lowry Part 2 with Lowry Part 1 leaving the station any moment now assuming that neither Mobley or Green drop. A Suggs/Van Vleet backcourt is a perfect match.

God Squad · Post #449 » by **God Squad** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:24 am

Coeur wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Coeur wrote:As a Gonzaga fan and huge fan of what Suggs did there and the type of person he seems to be in addition to his game and talents…. Yes that would be perfect for Suggs. Perfect for GS.

What in addition to #7 could GS consider trading for Suggs? 14 too much prob?

Most Toronto fans have turned down #7, Wiseman and #14 for #4

Wow. That’s nuts. Gs couldn’t and wouldn’t offer that much anyway. No way they’d give wiseman away in that trade.

I think there’s a problem on this board with logical Wisman value, and for sure a problem with almost all Raptor related values in trades.

Wiseman sucks until proven otherwise.

God Squad · Post #450 » by **God Squad** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:26 am

Colbinii wrote:
Coeur wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Most Toronto fans have turned down #7, Wiseman and #14 for #4

Wow. That’s nuts. Gs couldn’t and wouldn’t offer that much anyway. No way they’d give wiseman away in that trade.

I think there’s a problem on this board with logical Wisman value, and for sure a problem with almost all Raptor related values in trades.

There isn't an issue with Wiseman value, there is a discrepancy between how GS values him and how the rest of the league does.

I wouldn't trade a top-12 pick this year for Wiseman.

See you know basketball. James Wiseman was literally awful basketball player last year.

God Squad · Post #451 » by **God Squad** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:28 am

clyde21 wrote:
God Squad wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
i dont get it...if the top 3 teams want Cade/Mobley/Green what does that have to do with Toronto wanting Barnes at 4?

if it's a smokescreen, it's a smokescreen to trade down with someone that wants Barnes.

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Admittedly I don't think Mobley will be there, but one can hope right?

who's to say the Cavs aren't doing the same thing with Kuminga that the Raps are doing with Barnes?

point is either way if the Cavs want Mobley, nothing the Raptors say they will do at 4 will change that. smokescreens are way more likely to get someone to trade up than they are to get someone picking ahead of you picking someone u want them to pick.

I agree, the Raptors options are whoever falls. We have no say in the matter of who's available at the end of the day.

God Squad · Post #452 » by **God Squad** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:45 am

NYPiston wrote:So you guys are buying into the Barnes over Suggs hype? Personally, I'd be shocked if Toronto didn't take Lowry Part 2 with Lowry Part 1 leaving the station any moment now assuming that neither Mobley or Green drop. A Suggs/Van Vleet backcourt is a perfect match.

Yup, I'm not buying the smoke. But it'd be a totally Masai thing to do. Screw consensus and take the guy I think has the most potential. I have my preferences, but either way I'm on board with on front offices decisions.

MotownMadness · Post #453 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:55 am

Cade hanging out in Detroit earlier today. Can't wait to just get him drafted already.

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Post #454 » by **Dadouv47** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:19 am

Roger Murdock wrote:Quick mock based on my guesses right now:
1. DET - Cade
2. HOU - Green
3. CLE - Mobley
4. TOR - Barnes
5. ORL - Suggs
6. OKC - Giddey
7. GSW - Moody
8. ORL - Kumminga
9. SAC - Wagner
10. NOP - Bouknight
11. CHA - Sengung
12. SAS - Garuba
13. IND - Springer
14. GSW - Johnson

Orlando fans won't complain if u are right :lol:

I love Giddey but damn at 6 it's tough...

Colbinii · Post #455 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:30 pm

Ivan Drago wrote:If the Raps select Barnes over Suggs, I'd be devastated.

Why?

Barnes is a decent shot away from being the best prospect in the draft. I think people overreact to players or situations and project them too much onto others.

ciueli · Post #456 » by **ciueli** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:32 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Ivan Drago wrote:If the Raps select Barnes over Suggs, I'd be devastated.

Why?

Barnes is a decent shot away from being the best prospect in the draft. I think people overreact to players or situations and project them too much onto others.

He’s a project who will take years to develop. He doesn’t help space the floor for Siakam, he’s probably not a center long term, he’s a bad fit on the Raptors as currently constructed. Biggest issue for the Raps right now is scoring and shot creation and Barnes does none of that.

Colbinii · Post #457 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:37 pm

ciueli wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Ivan Drago wrote:If the Raps select Barnes over Suggs, I'd be devastated.

Why?

Barnes is a decent shot away from being the best prospect in the draft. I think people overreact to players or situations and project them too much onto others.

He’s a project who will take years to develop. He doesn’t help space the floor for Siakam, he’s probably not a center long term, he’s a bad fit on the Raptors as currently constructed. Biggest issue for the Raps right now is scoring and shot creation and Barnes does none of that.

Barnes can create shots for others. He has a very strong feel for the game, is a gifted passer and has shown an ability to be a high-impact player.

I'd trust Masai if he picked Barnes.

ciueli · Post #458 » by **ciueli** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:48 pm

Colbinii wrote:
ciueli wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Why?

Barnes is a decent shot away from being the best prospect in the draft. I think people overreact to players or situations and project them too much onto others.

He’s a project who will take years to develop. He doesn’t help space the floor for Siakam, he’s probably not a center long term, he’s a bad fit on the Raptors as currently constructed. Biggest issue for the Raps right now is scoring and shot creation and Barnes does none of that.

Barnes can create shots for others. He has a very strong feel for the game, is a gifted passer and has shown an ability to be a high-impact player.

I'd trust Masai if he picked Barnes.

We’ve already seen with Ben Simmons what happens to non-shooting “good passers” who also can’t make free throws, they become a liability in the playoffs. Look at how important shot creation is with guys like Chris Paul, Devin Booker, Trey Young, and Milwaukee’s guards. They work because they can create their own shot and can score.

Colbinii · Post #459 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:58 pm

ciueli wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
ciueli wrote:
He’s a project who will take years to develop. He doesn’t help space the floor for Siakam, he’s probably not a center long term, he’s a bad fit on the Raptors as currently constructed. Biggest issue for the Raps right now is scoring and shot creation and Barnes does none of that.

Barnes can create shots for others. He has a very strong feel for the game, is a gifted passer and has shown an ability to be a high-impact player.

I'd trust Masai if he picked Barnes.

We’ve already seen with Ben Simmons what happens to non-shooting “good passers” who also can’t make free throws, they become a liability in the playoffs. Look at how important shot creation is with guys like Chris Paul, Devin Booker, Trey Young, and Milwaukee’s guards. They work because they can create their own shot and can score.

You're just echoing my previous point.

You're taking Ben Simmons, who is an anomaly, and applying that anomaly to Barnes. It makes no logical sense what you are doing here but, as I mentioned earlier, people project their concerns or beliefs of one player and cast it onto others.

There is an insanely high probability Barnes becomes a significantly better shooter than Ben Simmons.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #460 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:08 pm

Barnes has solid mechanics. He's just as likely to follow Kawhi's progression as a shooter as he is Simmons. In fact, based on what they did at the collegiate level in terms of shooting, Barnes more closely resembles Kawhi. I'm not saying he will become as good a shooter as Kawhi because Kawhi's improvement is almost as crazy as Simmons lack of improvement in that area.