Giannis just made a lot of these nba stars look pathetic

[thelead]

He plays a different sport where he doesn't have to run back and forth... He drops into his pocket and passes. He is not required to run. He is not required to play defense. Harden is... but doesn't

Sooooo...Tom Brady is lazy.

That is such a lazy way to present an argument and shows me that you're not using your brain. Brady doesn't need to be in shape to play his position. Harden does. Harden is lazy AF. Harden is all about his lifestyle above all else. I'm not knocking it at all. Hell, most would do exactly what he's doing if given the opportunity but he doesn't put in the effort that LeBron puts in. Not even close.

[Jazztop]

Yes. He did what Lebron & KD couldn't.

Giannis ring > Lebron & KD's rings.

Giannis is better than LeDone has ever been

See now there’s a point where you cross a line. You just did that

Tell me when LeDone has put up 50 in a closing championship game to win it all. I’ll wait

[Bucks4005]

It's all well and good that every few years a non-superteam can win due to probability or injuries but I'd much rather there be a permanent solution. There'd be no way to stop superteams from forming through drafting but surely there's something that can be done with the cap to discourage superstars joining up.

Unfortunately there can’t be. Players have the choice to do whatever they want in FA.

I disagree with the forcing trades, and I hate a player like Kevin Love and Blake Griffin who is clearly tanking, one is always injured in Loves case though I don’t want call out injury, but call out a player clearly not trying his best, his self sabetoge on the team, like his pouty inbound thing, and Griffin who could suddenly dunk when he was on the Nets. I mean, Griffin not dunking on the Pistons for a period, and then able to “dunk” on a better team? I’ll point out those guys as lazy

Yeah I don't think there's any solution that could end them completely without the league literally forcing players off of teams or denying certain players the ability to sign with certain teams. That said, if you have a big max contract but smaller cap maybe that'll discourage great players joining up because the pay-cut they'd have to take would be huge. I don't know enough about how the cap and stuff work though so maybe that wouldn't do anything.

It’s the buyouts. Every player has a right to them. But teams should have more power in that aspect of negotiations with players. Like, if you’re bought out with 2 years on your deal because you asked for it like Griffin and potentially Love this year or you’re detrimental to the locker room like Love, though it might be impossible to “prove” Loves case, I mean, the Cavs are stuck with the contract.they signed it yes, but now they don’t have an out for a player clearly dogging it and detrimental to the team. Unfortunately the players won’t agree to partially guaranteed money unless the cap is raised a lot more, which might mean the owners pay more, which they won’t do since they’re so profitable as it is with a lower salary cap than matches the profits IMO(my opinion without research) and big contracts are usually still tradable long term, just the max ones aren’t, though we just had an example of max contract being traded, Wiggins for Russell, and the timberwolves were happy at the time to pair russell and towns, so they in fact, in their eyes, won the trade despite the results

[Rainwater]

LeBron has won it with Kyrie and Love at least. They have never been top 10 guys in this league.


On the other hand, the guys like Harden and Durant who team up with every MVP candidate they can find and would never win a chip with 'just' Love/Kyrie or Holiday/Middleton supporting them... Yeah.

I think you are understating how good Love and Irving were/are. They were far better than Holiday and Middleton.

[Bruin]

Giannis is better than LeDone has ever been

See now there’s a point where you cross a line. You just did that

Tell me when LeDone has put up 50 in a closing championship game to win it all. I’ll wait

1 game doesn’t negate everything Lebron has done in his career lol

Lebron has scored 50 in a finals game too (against a legit superteam) until JR went full stupid

Also until Giannis can become a true shooting threat, he will not be better than Lebrons peak

He’s dominant at what he does, and that’s great. But his game is not nearly as complete as Lebrons

[Free Rider]

Harden's dad-bod tells me all I need to know about how lazy he is.

Tom Brady has a dad-bod is he lazy?

You literally couldn't have picked a worse player to compare Harden to. Brady is absolutely fanatical about his diet and health. They've been dozens of articles written about how much time and effort Brady spends on his health and conditioning. In fact he even wrote a book about dieting. Harden on the other hand spends much of his free time hanging out a strip clubs eating God knows what.

[twyzted]

He’s not half the player those guys are lmao.. here come the absurd gassing of a player that is the same guy he was last year but just got a lucky break

Lebron James in 8 years:
2 time MVP
0 championships
0-2 in the Finals
7 years with Cavs
1 year with Heat

Giannis in 8 years:
2 time MVP
1 DPOY
1 Championship
1 FMVP
1-0 in the Finals
8 years with the Bucks

Interesting. Giannis seems to be a better trajectory than Lebron, yet he’s somehow not half the player? Interesting argument there.

Did Bron have 2 all-stars on his team during his first Cleveland stint? Or a first-team all D player? In between the lines there’s no comparison, LeBron is way better, especially young LeBron. Giannis almost lost to KD and a depleted Nets team, a young LeBron would have destroyed him.

He should enjoy his war of attrition ring, because he’s never getting another one

Jrue made the all star team in 2013.
In 09 cavs had:
Mo williams all star
Ilgauskas all star
Varejo all defense team
Ben wallace all star, 4xdpoy, multible all defense
And ofcourse Lebron

Then also in 10 the had
Shaq
Jamison all star
Mo williams all star
Varejo all defense

[zimpy27]

Giannis was on a superteam though.. This has been the feeling since they grabbed Jrue.

3 top 30 players

[threethehardway]

You literally couldn't have picked a worse player to compare Harden to. Brady is absolutely fanatical about his diet and health. They've been dozens of articles written about how much time and effort Brady spends on his health and conditioning. In fact he even wrote a book about dieting. Harden on the other hand spends much of his free time hanging out a strip clubs eating God knows what.

And Tom Brady still has a dad bod...

James Harden is a three time scoring champ and goes to strip clubs and smokes weed all day...

Maybe the entire NBA is just too lazy since they let a womanizing, strip club patron, weed smoker, out of shape guy drop 35 on them year in and year out.

[CodeBreaker]

Definitely makes Lebron of all people look weak. Giannis winning his first title with his original team that isn’t a super team, and won it earlier than Lebron did.

And it’s not like Milwaukee is much bigger than Cleveland as a market. Both are in the East. So what was Lebron’s excuse?

Lebron faced healthy teams

LeBron played in the East probably at its weakest point in history...remind me again who was the best player he faced from 2011-2018 in the EC POs...Paul George? DeMar? yawn.

I thought basketball is played by a collective of players, and they perform as a team?

[lvckv]

Giannis was on a superteam though.. This has been the feeling since they grabbed Jrue

Bucks got Middleton as a throw-in for the Jennings trade after he average 6pts in his rookie season. Wasn't anything close to a star when we got him.
Him and Holiday have a total of 3 all-star appearances in 21 combined seasons.


If we're a super team then what are teams who have 2-3 top 15 players working together to join up in free agency or tanking their trade value to team up like the Lakers, Clippers and Nets? They are the only superteams in this league right now.

[Free Rider]

You literally couldn't have picked a worse player to compare Harden to. Brady is absolutely fanatical about his diet and health. They've been dozens of articles written about how much time and effort Brady spends on his health and conditioning. In fact he even wrote a book about dieting. Harden on the other hand spends much of his free time hanging out a strip clubs eating God knows what.

And Tom Brady still has a dad bod...

James Harden is a three time scoring champ and goes to strip clubs and smokes weed all day...

Maybe the entire NBA is just too lazy since they let a womanizing, strip club patron, weed smoker, out of shape guy drop 35 on them year in and year out.

And maybe if Harden dedicated himself to a strict workout regimen and healthier lifestyle rather than coasting on his natural talent he would have won a title by now rather than getting gassed out every playoffs when the pressure is turned on. He's able to coast his way through the regular season while playing trash teams but he often disappears in big moments, often because he doesn't seem to have the stamina or health to continue playing at a high level.

[lvckv]

You literally couldn't have picked a worse player to compare Harden to. Brady is absolutely fanatical about his diet and health. They've been dozens of articles written about how much time and effort Brady spends on his health and conditioning. In fact he even wrote a book about dieting. Harden on the other hand spends much of his free time hanging out a strip clubs eating God knows what.

And Tom Brady still has a dad bod...

James Harden is a three time scoring champ and goes to strip clubs and smokes weed all day...

Maybe the entire NBA is just too lazy since they let a womanizing, strip club patron, weed smoker, out of shape guy drop 35 on them year in and year out.

Harden has 0 championships man.

He's teamed up with Hall of Famers Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and still has 0 championships.

You can let him drop 35 all regular season and then everybody knows what he does in the playoffs

[zimpy27]

Giannis was on a superteam though.. This has been the feeling since they grabbed Jrue

Bucks got Middleton as a throw-in for the Jennings trade after he average 6pts in his rookie season. Wasn't anything close to a star when we got him.
Him and Holiday have a total of 3 all-star appearances in 21 combined seasons.


If we're a super team then what are teams who have 2-3 top 15 players working together to join up in free agency or tanking their trade value to team up like the Lakers, Clippers and Nets? They are the only superteams in this league right now.

Yeah a super team is a collection of top players on a team. Superteam word was invented wen Durant joined GSW and they had 5 guys that were top tier (Curry, Klay, Iggy, KD, Green).

Superteam has become synonymous with any team now with 3 or more great all-star level players on the same team.

Your confusing the act of a player joining a superteam to one being built by FO. Bucks are a superteam but Giannis didn't join one to form it.


Only superteams in the league this season were Bucks and Brooklyn. Sixers or Lakers would have been if they traded for Lowry. Problem is Nets and Lakers were unhealthy. Bucks were only healthy superteam in the playoffs. Though losing DDV hurt for sure, it didn't impact their 3 all star level players.

[giannis and 1]

The only reason he won was that other stars got injured.

Well when you have little depth because you traded it all to form a super team, and those stars are injury prone, you can’t complain.

[threethehardway]

And maybe if Harden dedicated himself to a strict workout regimen and healthier lifestyle rather than coasting on his natural talent he would have won a title by now rather than getting gassed out every playoffs when the pressure is turned on. He's able to coast his way through the regular season while playing trash teams but he often disappears in big moments, often because he doesn't seem to have the stamina or health to continue playing at a high level.

So now you saying majority of the NBA is trash and James Harden is playing against burger flippers.

We got Tom Brady would works out and eats mana from heaven and he stuck with a dad bod and woefully unathletic and any joe blow off the street can beat in a foot race.

James Harden who is the 3 time scoring champ, MVP, but apparently all he does is eat chicken wings, smokes weed and goes to strip clubs.

Still haven't told me how a 3 time scoring champ can be lazy and out shape in the best basketball league in the world other than he is naturally talented which means most of the NBA isn't talented or they are lazy.

But Tom Brady isn't lazy and he is stuck with dad bod and a 5.08 40 yard dash and a 22 inch vertical but I guess he works so hard and brings his lunchpail to work while James Harden is coasting in the best league in the world, with his 35 points a game.

[giannis and 1]

Giannis was on a superteam though.. This has been the feeling since they grabbed Jrue

Bucks got Middleton as a throw-in for the Jennings trade after he average 6pts in his rookie season. Wasn't anything close to a star when we got him.
Him and Holiday have a total of 3 all-star appearances in 21 combined seasons.


If we're a super team then what are teams who have 2-3 top 15 players working together to join up in free agency or tanking their trade value to team up like the Lakers, Clippers and Nets? They are the only superteams in this league right now.

Yeah a super team is a collection of top players on a team. Superteam word was invented wen Durant joined GSW and they had 5 guys that were top tier (Curry, Klay, Iggy, KD, Green).

Superteam has become synonymous with any team now with 3 or more great all-star level players on the same team.

Your confusing the act of a player joining a superteam to one being built by FO. Bucks are a superteam but Giannis didn't join one to form it.


Only superteams in the league this season were Bucks and Brooklyn. Sixers or Lakers would have been if they traded for Lowry. Problem is Nets and Lakers were unhealthy. Bucks were only healthy superteam in the playoffs. Though losing DDV hurt for sure, it didn't impact their 3 all star level players.

wasn’t that word invented when lebron went to miami?

[WeSkrongDen]

Giannis was on a superteam though.. This has been the feeling since they grabbed Jrue.

3 top 30 players

Top 30 players but they haven't made a single All NBA Team in their entire careers?

[threethehardway]

Harden has 0 championships man.

He's teamed up with Hall of Famers Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and still has 0 championships.

You can let him drop 35 all regular season and then everybody knows what he does in the playoffs

So you think the Bucks could beat the KD Warriors or no?

So you think the Bucks had a chance if Kyrie didn't land on Giannis foot and Harden pulls his hamstring?

I swear, this is why I am not a fan of teams. All logic goes out of the window.

[WeSkrongDen]

You aren't a super team if you have one player that has made an All Nba Team lol