Giannis just made a lot of these nba stars look pathetic

[zimpy27]

Bucks got Middleton as a throw-in for the Jennings trade after he average 6pts in his rookie season. Wasn't anything close to a star when we got him.
Him and Holiday have a total of 3 all-star appearances in 21 combined seasons.


If we're a super team then what are teams who have 2-3 top 15 players working together to join up in free agency or tanking their trade value to team up like the Lakers, Clippers and Nets? They are the only superteams in this league right now.

Yeah a super team is a collection of top players on a team. Superteam word was invented wen Durant joined GSW and they had 5 guys that were top tier (Curry, Klay, Iggy, KD, Green).

Superteam has become synonymous with any team now with 3 or more great all-star level players on the same team.

Your confusing the act of a player joining a superteam to one being built by FO. Bucks are a superteam but Giannis didn't join one to form it.


Only superteams in the league this season were Bucks and Brooklyn. Sixers or Lakers would have been if they traded for Lowry. Problem is Nets and Lakers were unhealthy. Bucks were only healthy superteam in the playoffs. Though losing DDV hurt for sure, it didn't impact their 3 all star level players.

wasn’t that word invented when lebron went to miami?

No it wasn't, it used to be called a Big 3 back then, even when LeBron went to Cavs in 14 it was big 3. It was name from Boston putting together Garnett, Pierce and Ray.

It's just a term that seems to have negative connotations, which is wrong IMO. The actual negative part people have issue with is all-star level players joining to form one in FA or forcing a trade. Somehow the concept of superteam has got mixed with the bad feelings of that aspect. That's what Giannis commented on at end game presser. He didn't join a superteam, he stayed and trusted the FO to build one with him. That is harder because you don't have championship building in your control. I do wonder if Giannis stays a Buck if they don't get Jrue though, so there are some semantics to it.

[Repeat 3-peat]

Wait, when did the Bucks become a super team? lmao!!!

LeBron fans are something else.

[CircleCitysportsfan]

As much as I want to disagree this is true. Giannis took a risk that other players didn't want to take. Lebron didn't want to be 30 with bad knees and no ring. Giannis embraced the risk and took it.

[WeSkrongDen]

Harden has 0 championships man.

He's teamed up with Hall of Famers Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and still has 0 championships.

You can let him drop 35 all regular season and then everybody knows what he does in the playoffs

So you think the Bucks could beat the KD Warriors or no?

So you think the Bucks had a chance if Kyrie didn't land on Giannis foot and Harden pulls his hamstring?

I swear, this is why I am not a fan of teams. All logic goes out of the window.

Kyrie is hurt every year in the playoffs. Guy is made of paper and glass. He'll probably get hurt again next year. Harden was fat and out of shape. His own fault.

[WeSkrongDen]

Yeah a super team is a collection of top players on a team. Superteam word was invented wen Durant joined GSW and they had 5 guys that were top tier (Curry, Klay, Iggy, KD, Green).

Superteam has become synonymous with any team now with 3 or more great all-star level players on the same team.

Your confusing the act of a player joining a superteam to one being built by FO. Bucks are a superteam but Giannis didn't join one to form it.


Only superteams in the league this season were Bucks and Brooklyn. Sixers or Lakers would have been if they traded for Lowry. Problem is Nets and Lakers were unhealthy. Bucks were only healthy superteam in the playoffs. Though losing DDV hurt for sure, it didn't impact their 3 all star level players.

wasn’t that word invented when lebron went to miami?

No it wasn't, it used to be called a Big 3 back then, even when LeBron went to Cavs it was big 3. It was name from Boston putting together Garnett, Pierce and Ray.

It's just a term that seems to have negative connotations, which is wrong IMO. The actual negative part people have issue with is all-star level players joining to form one in FA or forcing a trade. Somehow the concept of superteam has got mixed with the bad feelings of that aspect. That's what Giannis commented on at end game presser. He didn't join a superteam, he stayed and trusted the FO to build one with him. That is harder because you don't have championship building in your control. I do wonder if Giannis stays a Buck if they don't get Jrue though, so there are some semantics to it.

You're not a super team with one player who has made an ALL NBA Team and 1 HoFer. Middleton and Holiday are nice players but LeBron has had much, much better wingmen on every championship he has won.

[ali1979]

Giannis championship is more impressive and more valuable than any of Lebron’s or KD’s.

Lebron playing finals with team mates like pavlovic, hughes, Gibson is more impressive than Giannis's title. He beat a very tough team Detroit himself and none of Detroit players was injured like Nets.

[shi-woo]

Lebron fans in shambles. I love it. It's not about who had better teammates. It's all about not running away from first sign of adversity and staying true to the challenges in front of you. That's what sports is all about.

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THIS. THIS. THIS!

I gave Giannis so much flack this post season, but this is what I want to see. This is why I watch the games, love the sport, and root for certain players. I want to see what guys do when their backs are against the wall. Giannis faught back, and threw haymaker after haymaker. He didn't switch sports or weight classes like some fighters do when they can't break through.

The narrative last year was "He's leaving, because he can't win in MIL." The narrative at the start of this year when he signed the MAX was "He's dumb, MIL will treadmil forever." And guess what, they won it all.

What Bucks fans are feeling right now makes Raptor fans in 2019 seem microscopic

This is what people who are proponents of super teams always miss. It's not the winning or the team, it's the adversity you overcome which makes you a great champion.

[Free Rider]

And maybe if Harden dedicated himself to a strict workout regimen and healthier lifestyle rather than coasting on his natural talent he would have won a title by now rather than getting gassed out every playoffs when the pressure is turned on. He's able to coast his way through the regular season while playing trash teams but he often disappears in big moments, often because he doesn't seem to have the stamina or health to continue playing at a high level.

So now you saying majority of the NBA is trash and James Harden is playing against burger flippers.

We got Tom Brady would works out and eats mana from heaven and he stuck with a dad bod and woefully unathletic and any joe blow off the street can beat in a foot race.

James Harden who is the 3 time scoring champ, MVP, but apparently all he does is eat chicken wings, smokes weed and goes to strip clubs.

Still haven't told me how a 3 time scoring champ can be lazy and out shape in the best basketball league in the world other than he is naturally talented which means most of the NBA isn't talented or they are lazy.

But Tom Brady isn't lazy and he is stuck with dad bod and a 5.08 40 yard dash and a 22 inch vertical but I guess he works so hard and brings his lunchpail to work while James Harden is coasting in the best league in the world, with his 35 points a game.

Shaq was lazy and out of shape and dominated the league far greater than Harden ever did. Yet he was was notorious for his poor diet, his lackluster work ethic, and for showing up to training camp overweight and using the regular season to get into shape. You can be a great player and also be lazy; those two aren’t mutually exclusive. Harden’s problem isn’t his lack of talent; he’s insanely talented. But he lack the work ethic to put him on the same level as other players like LeBron, Durant, Giannis, Steph, Kwahi, all of which were able to elevate their games at the highest level.

[ibraheim718]

Atlanta was so close. They were probably the 2nd best team in the playoffs maybe champs if Trae doesn't sprain his ankle.

[WeSkrongDen]

Giannis championship is more impressive and more valuable than any of Lebron’s or KD’s.

Lebron playing finals with team mates like pavlovic, hughes, Gibson is more impressive than Giannis's title. He beat a very tough team Detroit himself and none of Detroit players was injured like Nets.

That Detroit team was past its prime and on its way down. Still impressive but definitely not like Giannis.

[WeSkrongDen]

And maybe if Harden dedicated himself to a strict workout regimen and healthier lifestyle rather than coasting on his natural talent he would have won a title by now rather than getting gassed out every playoffs when the pressure is turned on. He's able to coast his way through the regular season while playing trash teams but he often disappears in big moments, often because he doesn't seem to have the stamina or health to continue playing at a high level.

So now you saying majority of the NBA is trash and James Harden is playing against burger flippers.

We got Tom Brady would works out and eats mana from heaven and he stuck with a dad bod and woefully unathletic and any joe blow off the street can beat in a foot race.

James Harden who is the 3 time scoring champ, MVP, but apparently all he does is eat chicken wings, smokes weed and goes to strip clubs.

Still haven't told me how a 3 time scoring champ can be lazy and out shape in the best basketball league in the world other than he is naturally talented which means most of the NBA isn't talented or they are lazy.

But Tom Brady isn't lazy and he is stuck with dad bod and a 5.08 40 yard dash and a 22 inch vertical but I guess he works so hard and brings his lunchpail to work while James Harden is coasting in the best league in the world, with his 35 points a game.

Shaq was lazy and out of shape and dominated the league far greater than Harden ever did. Yet he was was notorious for his poor diet, his lackluster work ethic, and for showing up to training camp overweight and using the regular season to get into shape. You can be a great player and also be lazy; those two aren’t mutually exclusive. Harden’s problem isn’t his lack of talent; he’s insanely talented. But he lack the work ethic to put him on the same level as other players like LeBron, Durant, Giannis, Steph, Kwahi, all of which were able to elevate their games at the highest level.

Curry isn't on those guys levels, guy doesn't even have a finals MVP lol.

[Free Rider]

So now you saying majority of the NBA is trash and James Harden is playing against burger flippers.

We got Tom Brady would works out and eats mana from heaven and he stuck with a dad bod and woefully unathletic and any joe blow off the street can beat in a foot race.

James Harden who is the 3 time scoring champ, MVP, but apparently all he does is eat chicken wings, smokes weed and goes to strip clubs.

Still haven't told me how a 3 time scoring champ can be lazy and out shape in the best basketball league in the world other than he is naturally talented which means most of the NBA isn't talented or they are lazy.

But Tom Brady isn't lazy and he is stuck with dad bod and a 5.08 40 yard dash and a 22 inch vertical but I guess he works so hard and brings his lunchpail to work while James Harden is coasting in the best league in the world, with his 35 points a game.

Shaq was lazy and out of shape and dominated the league far greater than Harden ever did. Yet he was was notorious for his poor diet, his lackluster work ethic, and for showing up to training camp overweight and using the regular season to get into shape. You can be a great player and also be lazy; those two aren’t mutually exclusive. Harden’s problem isn’t his lack of talent; he’s insanely talented. But he lack the work ethic to put him on the same level as other players like LeBron, Durant, Giannis, Steph, Kwahi, all of which were able to elevate their games at the highest level.

Curry isn't on those guys levels, guy doesn't even have a finals MVP lol.

Fine, take Curry off that list. I still take him over James “guess which strip club I partied at last night” Harden.

[zimpy27]

wasn’t that word invented when lebron went to miami?

No it wasn't, it used to be called a Big 3 back then, even when LeBron went to Cavs it was big 3. It was name from Boston putting together Garnett, Pierce and Ray.

It's just a term that seems to have negative connotations, which is wrong IMO. The actual negative part people have issue with is all-star level players joining to form one in FA or forcing a trade. Somehow the concept of superteam has got mixed with the bad feelings of that aspect. That's what Giannis commented on at end game presser. He didn't join a superteam, he stayed and trusted the FO to build one with him. That is harder because you don't have championship building in your control. I do wonder if Giannis stays a Buck if they don't get Jrue though, so there are some semantics to it.

You're not a super team with one player who has made an ALL NBA Team and 1 HoFer. Middleton and Holiday are nice players but LeBron has had much, much better wingmen on every championship he has won.

Why you bringing up LeBron? He's been on superteams too. Is your definition of a superteam just any team LeBron was on?

When Jrue joined I think most people pegged them as a superteam, I certainly did in several posts on this forum over the season and I was not alone.

What you are describing is a big 2 or a duo. I mean, you are going to be painting most playoff teams in NBA history with that brush. Raptors in 19 were a supeteam?

Jrue and Holiday are both top 30 players in the league, they are paid as max salary players, they haven't been injured, they are all star level. These were the things people say about LeBrons teams in Miami and Cleveland.

[thelead]

No it wasn't, it used to be called a Big 3 back then, even when LeBron went to Cavs it was big 3. It was name from Boston putting together Garnett, Pierce and Ray.

It's just a term that seems to have negative connotations, which is wrong IMO. The actual negative part people have issue with is all-star level players joining to form one in FA or forcing a trade. Somehow the concept of superteam has got mixed with the bad feelings of that aspect. That's what Giannis commented on at end game presser. He didn't join a superteam, he stayed and trusted the FO to build one with him. That is harder because you don't have championship building in your control. I do wonder if Giannis stays a Buck if they don't get Jrue though, so there are some semantics to it.

You're not a super team with one player who has made an ALL NBA Team and 1 HoFer. Middleton and Holiday are nice players but LeBron has had much, much better wingmen on every championship he has won.

Why you bringing up LeBron? He's been on superteams too. Is your definition of a superteam just any team LeBron was on?

When Jrue joined I think most people pegged them as a superteam, I certainly did in several posts on this forum over the season and I was not alone.

What you are describing is a big 2 or a duo. I mean, you are going to be painting most playoff teams in NBA history with that brush. Raptors in 19 were a supeteam?

Jrue and Holiday are both top 30 players in the league, they are paid as max salary players, they haven't been injured, they are all star level. These were the things people say about LeBrons teams in Miami and Cleveland.

We can agree to disagree but you’re not going to convince most that (subtracting the team’s best player) Khris and Jrue are anywhere near the level of Harden and Kyrie. Not even close.

[DB23]

See now there’s a point where you cross a line. You just did that

Tell me when LeDone has put up 50 in a closing championship game to win it all. I’ll wait

1 game doesn’t negate everything Lebron has done in his career lol

Lebron has scored 50 in a finals game too (against a legit superteam) until JR went full stupid

Also until Giannis can become a true shooting threat, he will not be better than Lebrons peak

He’s dominant at what he does, and that’s great. But his game is not nearly as complete as Lebrons

Shooting is irrelevant imo. What we just saw was arguably the best finals performance of all time and he didn’t need to shoot to do it.

You don’t need to be be great at 5 out of 6 categories, he scored the ball at an all time efficient rate while being clutch and providing some of the best finals defense ever.

I guess the comparisons are a complement.

[ThatClockWork]

any chance to attack lebron huh? The insecurities people have. Let the Bucks have their night.
What am I saying, y'all don't want to hear this.

[zimpy27]

As much as I want to disagree this is true. Giannis took a risk that other players didn't want to take. Lebron didn't want to be 30 with bad knees and no ring. Giannis embraced the risk and took it.

Giannis is under contract from his RFA deal. This season for him is equivalent of 09-10 season for LeBron.
He did sign an extension prior to his UFA this offseason, which you can credit him, but that was signed after they got Jrue, it was delayed until then and we all knew that if Bucks didn't make something like that happen then he was leaving - that's why they gave as much as they did.

The revisionist history here is not necessary, it's a great achievement alone and should be enough to celebrate that.

[WeSkrongDen]

No it wasn't, it used to be called a Big 3 back then, even when LeBron went to Cavs it was big 3. It was name from Boston putting together Garnett, Pierce and Ray.

It's just a term that seems to have negative connotations, which is wrong IMO. The actual negative part people have issue with is all-star level players joining to form one in FA or forcing a trade. Somehow the concept of superteam has got mixed with the bad feelings of that aspect. That's what Giannis commented on at end game presser. He didn't join a superteam, he stayed and trusted the FO to build one with him. That is harder because you don't have championship building in your control. I do wonder if Giannis stays a Buck if they don't get Jrue though, so there are some semantics to it.

You're not a super team with one player who has made an ALL NBA Team and 1 HoFer. Middleton and Holiday are nice players but LeBron has had much, much better wingmen on every championship he has won.

Why you bringing up LeBron? He's been on superteams too. Is your definition of a superteam just any team LeBron was on?

When Jrue joined I think most people pegged them as a superteam, I certainly did in several posts on this forum over the season and I was not alone.

What you are describing is a big 2 or a duo. I mean, you are going to be painting most playoff teams in NBA history with that brush. Raptors in 19 were a supeteam?

Jrue and Holiday are both top 30 players in the league, they are paid as max salary players, they haven't been injured, they are all star level. These were the things people say about LeBrons teams in Miami and Cleveland.

They never made an All NBA team. They have a total of 3 all star games between them. Neither will be in the HoF. I guess they are borderline top 30, definitely towards 30 though. AD is more valuable by himself than those two combined. I don't really care about the definition of super teams but Giannis has one of the weakest supporting casts to have won a championship with in the last 20 years. Him and Dirk by far.

[SeniorWalker]

No it wasn't, it used to be called a Big 3 back then, even when LeBron went to Cavs it was big 3. It was name from Boston putting together Garnett, Pierce and Ray.

It's just a term that seems to have negative connotations, which is wrong IMO. The actual negative part people have issue with is all-star level players joining to form one in FA or forcing a trade. Somehow the concept of superteam has got mixed with the bad feelings of that aspect. That's what Giannis commented on at end game presser. He didn't join a superteam, he stayed and trusted the FO to build one with him. That is harder because you don't have championship building in your control. I do wonder if Giannis stays a Buck if they don't get Jrue though, so there are some semantics to it.

You're not a super team with one player who has made an ALL NBA Team and 1 HoFer. Middleton and Holiday are nice players but LeBron has had much, much better wingmen on every championship he has won.

Why you bringing up LeBron? He's been on superteams too. Is your definition of a superteam just any team LeBron was on?

When Jrue joined I think most people pegged them as a superteam, I certainly did in several posts on this forum over the season and I was not alone.

What you are describing is a big 2 or a duo. I mean, you are going to be painting most playoff teams in NBA history with that brush. Raptors in 19 were a supeteam?

Jrue and Holiday are both top 30 players in the league, they are paid as max salary players, they haven't been injured, they are all star level. These were the things people say about LeBrons teams in Miami and Cleveland.

Wow. I didn't think people would start calling the bucks a superteam but here we are.

Some of you are really, really young. Like, every title team is a great team for sure but just because you're a great team with a lot of talent doesn't make you a superteam.

The superteams are obvious. LeBron's Heat, KD warriors, blah blah. The ones with the unfair amount of top end talent, multiple guys who could easily be the #1 for another franchise teaming up. The Nets just this year.

These bucks are very far from that. You can't be that delusional. They're a well constructed team with one superstar, nothing more.

[zimpy27]

You're not a super team with one player who has made an ALL NBA Team and 1 HoFer. Middleton and Holiday are nice players but LeBron has had much, much better wingmen on every championship he has won.

Why you bringing up LeBron? He's been on superteams too. Is your definition of a superteam just any team LeBron was on?

When Jrue joined I think most people pegged them as a superteam, I certainly did in several posts on this forum over the season and I was not alone.

What you are describing is a big 2 or a duo. I mean, you are going to be painting most playoff teams in NBA history with that brush. Raptors in 19 were a supeteam?

Jrue and Holiday are both top 30 players in the league, they are paid as max salary players, they haven't been injured, they are all star level. These were the things people say about LeBrons teams in Miami and Cleveland.

We can agree to disagree but you’re not going to convince most that (subtracting the team’s best player) Khris and Jrue are anywhere near the level of Harden and Kyrie. Not even close.

Agreed. Jrue or Middleton aren't as good as Davis alone. I'd have Jrue and Middleton above Irving and Love but below Wade and Bosh.
There are levels but my original post was to OP that stated it wasn't a superteam. I think even Giannis knows it's a superteam and he backed it once Jrue was acquired. I think he deserves full props for that. But this thread seems to be about taking his great achievement and using it to take a stab at other players.