Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

Post #1701 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:36 pm

this is what thibs wants

he did stuff like this in alabama too. true dog heart.

spree8 · Post #1702 » by **spree8** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:08 am

RHODEY wrote:
Jimmit79 wrote:If people have problem paying sexton they're going to lose there mind when RJ is up for extension demanding tatum type contract while playing like bullock.

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RJ helped us get 4th seed... he's already a proven winner. That said I have no problem paying Sexton. He's only 22 and will be easily flipable for the next disgruntled blue chipper.

Or he may just shore up his flaws under Thibs and be worth it....

I think he would. He’s a tough kid who plays with heart. He gives a lot of effort so I think Thibs could show him how to apply that on defense. Sexton’s never had an elite defensive coach like Thibs to teach him. Add Johnnie Bryant helping him, and the sky is the limit for Sexton.

RHODEY · Post #1703 » by **RHODEY** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:12 am

spree8 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
Jimmit79 wrote:If people have problem paying sexton they're going to lose there mind when RJ is up for extension demanding tatum type contract while playing like bullock.

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RJ helped us get 4th seed... he's already a proven winner. That said I have no problem paying Sexton. He's only 22 and will be easily flipable for the next disgruntled blue chipper.

Or he may just shore up his flaws under Thibs and be worth it....

I think he would. He’s a tough kid who plays with heart. He gives a lot of effort so I think Thibs could show him how to apply that on defense. Sexton’s never had an elite defensive coach like Thibs to teach him. Add Johnnie Bryant helping him, and the sky is the limit for Sexton.

Right and I'm hearing he has an insane work effort. Transformed himself from a 0 star recruit to a first round pick - and he continues to work with the same intensity.

Post #1704 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:21 am

RHODEY wrote:
spree8 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
RJ helped us get 4th seed... he's already a proven winner. That said I have no problem paying Sexton. He's only 22 and will be easily flipable for the next disgruntled blue chipper.

Or he may just shore up his flaws under Thibs and be worth it....

I think he would. He’s a tough kid who plays with heart. He gives a lot of effort so I think Thibs could show him how to apply that on defense. Sexton’s never had an elite defensive coach like Thibs to teach him. Add Johnnie Bryant helping him, and the sky is the limit for Sexton.

Right and I'm hearing he has an insane work effort. Transformed himself from a 0 star recruit to a first round pick - and he continues to work with the same intensity.

yeah. maybe we should be trading for this lillard

Marty McFly · Post #1705 » by **Marty McFly** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:06 am

I'm ok with trading for Sexton so long as it's not an overpay. at the bare minimum keep #19. Obi + Knox + #21, take it or leave it. I really want us to come away with one of the guards in this draft.

I'd more then welcome drafting 3 guards in the first. I'm down for trading up for one too.

Sign Lonzo.

legit don't know what to make of this team if they go all in on Lillard. Lillard + Randle and what the hell else?

RHODEY · Post #1706 » by **RHODEY** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:10 am

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
spree8 wrote:

I think he would. He’s a tough kid who plays with heart. He gives a lot of effort so I think Thibs could show him how to apply that on defense. Sexton’s never had an elite defensive coach like Thibs to teach him. Add Johnnie Bryant helping him, and the sky is the limit for Sexton.

Right and I'm hearing he has an insane work effort. Transformed himself from a 0 star recruit to a first round pick - and he continues to work with the same intensity.

yeah. maybe we should be trading for this lillard

Maybe...

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #1707 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:14 am

RHODEY wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
Right and I'm hearing he has an insane work effort. Transformed himself from a 0 star recruit to a first round pick - and he continues to work with the same intensity.

yeah. maybe we should be trading for this lillard

Maybe...

Idk if he’ll be dame good but I could him maybe developing into a Jamal Murray impact type of guy

RHODEY · Post #1708 » by **RHODEY** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:17 am

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
yeah. maybe we should be trading for this lillard

Maybe...

Idk if he’ll be dame good but I could him maybe developing into a Jamal Murray impact type of guy

HI heard on the Knickfantv podcast that when Garland went down for a stretch, Sexton averaged 6 assists a game....that was very encouraging.

thebuzzardman · Post #1709 » by **thebuzzardman** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:13 pm

Marty McFly wrote:I'm ok with trading for Sexton so long as it's not an overpay. at the bare minimum keep #19. Obi + Knox + #21, take it or leave it. I really want us to come away with one of the guards in this draft.

I'd more then welcome drafting 3 guards in the first. I'm down for trading up for one too.

Sign Lonzo.

legit don't know what to make of this team if they go all in on Lillard. Lillard + Randle and what the hell else?

Couple of thoughts:

I was into the idea of signing Lonzo (assuming Pels don't match) after trading for Sexton.
Sort of off that idea since that would basically be the team and take the Knicks out of the Lavine/Beal kinds of moves.

I'm not sure what the fair deal or deal that gets done for Sexton - I figure it's at least a pick and a player. I think these Cav's leaks to the press are them trying to get the Knicks to move off their offer and on to the Cavs offer. Like, maybe the Knicks are offering #19, #32 and Knox (assets listed in order of strength, lol) and Cav's are countering with #19, Obi, Knox.

Just speculating.

Nazrmohamed · Post #1710 » by **Nazrmohamed** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:45 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:I'm ok with trading for Sexton so long as it's not an overpay. at the bare minimum keep #19. Obi + Knox + #21, take it or leave it. I really want us to come away with one of the guards in this draft.

I'd more then welcome drafting 3 guards in the first. I'm down for trading up for one too.

Sign Lonzo.

legit don't know what to make of this team if they go all in on Lillard. Lillard + Randle and what the hell else?

Couple of thoughts:

I was into the idea of signing Lonzo (assuming Pels don't match) after trading for Sexton.
Sort of off that idea since that would basically be the team and take the Knicks out of the Lavine/Beal kinds of moves.

I'm not sure what the fair deal or deal that gets done for Sexton - I figure it's at least a pick and a player. I think these Cav's leaks to the press are them trying to get the Knicks to move off their offer and on to the Cavs offer. Like, maybe the Knicks are offering #19, #32 and Knox (assets listed in order of strength, lol) and Cav's are countering with #19, Obi, Knox.

Just speculating.

There are worse scenarios out there for sure but of the ones you listed I'd probably still take any of them. So long as it's not both 19 and 22 together. But yeah I'd be ecstatic if we could land both Sexton and Lonzo. If Lonzos shooting isn't a total fluke, even with the advertised flaws I think it's a good fit. Hed have Sexton/RJ and Randle as basket attackers around him. Sexton needs to improve his defense and playmaking regardless but I think Thibs can make him a winning player. But having both and then securing at least one of our 2 1sts would be ideal, especially if it's Duarte or MurphyIII. I guess it really wouldn't matter who you say is the PG or not as they're interchangeable.

3toheadmelo · Post #1711 » by **3toheadmelo** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:48 pm

RHODEY wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
Maybe...

Idk if he’ll be dame good but I could him maybe developing into a Jamal Murray impact type of guy

HI heard on the Knickfantv podcast that when Garland went down for a stretch, Sexton averaged 6 assists a game....that was very encouraging.

Yep look

Read on Twitter

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #1712 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:05 pm

Read on Twitter

if you want to lol and see the worst trade you've ever seen. Imagine thinking Love is still an asset at this stage of his career.

The Lamma · Post #1713 » by **The Lamma** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:18 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:

Read on Twitter

if you want to lol and see the worst trade you've ever seen. Imagine thinking Love is still an asset at this stage of his career.

That trade is like Crazy Eddie's prices from back in the day.... INSANNNE. Anyone else remember this cat?? :lol:

Watch on YouTube

Post #1714 » by **Capn'O** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:20 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:

Read on Twitter

if you want to lol and see the worst trade you've ever seen. Imagine thinking Love is still an asset at this stage of his career.

Lol.

The really funny thing is Isiah Thomas actually made trades like that.

Post #1715 » by **DOT** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:24 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:

Read on Twitter

if you want to lol and see the worst trade you've ever seen. Imagine thinking Love is still an asset at this stage of his career.

The worst part is, I can definitely see a few guys here being like "I'd do that trade in a heartbeat, Sexton's better than RJ, so we have to do it" and then say like, we're gonna get Kawhi or something in free agency.

SelbyCobra · Post #1716 » by **SelbyCobra** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:27 pm

I've not seen any attribution to that trade - does anyone know it's origins?

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #1717 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:52 pm

K-DOT wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:

Read on Twitter

if you want to lol and see the worst trade you've ever seen. Imagine thinking Love is still an asset at this stage of his career.

The worst part is, I can definitely see a few guys here being like "I'd do that trade in a heartbeat, Sexton's better than RJ, so we have to do it" and then say like, we're gonna get Kawhi or something in free agency.

I think it's kinda funny how there's massive mood swings on this board reacting to what just recently happened to us. Like post Melo year, a lot of us we desperate for players that could play within a team concept cuz we sick of watching Melo iso. There was a bunch of posters that wanted Frank over Tatum cuz that reason. I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't high on Tatum for that reason and wanted Josh Jackson instead. I think we're kinda of seeing that now with our need for perimeter creator. Don't get me wrong we definitely need one but it doesn't really make sense for us to do a tear down.

That's why I find the anti RJ brigade is a very peculiar bunch. After a season where he improved his play across the board completely it just seems odd to be down on him cuz of his struggles in May and the playoffs. Like there's a bunch of reasonable critics that think RJ is probably just a starter or a 3rd options on a championship team and there's others that think he's worse than Bullock and want to run him out of town.

DaGawd · Post #1718 » by **DaGawd** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:00 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:I've not seen any attribution to that trade - does anyone know it's origins?

A Cavs fan’s basement

Post #1719 » by **DOT** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:03 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
I think it's kinda funny how there's massive mood swings on this board reacting to what just recently happened to us. Like post Melo year, a lot of us we desperate for players that could play within a team concept cuz we sick of watching Melo iso. There was a bunch of posters that wanted Frank over Tatum cuz that reason. I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't high on Tatum for that reason and wanted Josh Jackson instead. I think we're kinda of seeing that now with our need for perimeter creator. Don't get me wrong we definitely need one but it doesn't really make sense for us to do a tear down.

That's why I find the anti RJ brigade is a very peculiar bunch. After a season where he improved his play across the board completely it just seems odd to be down on him cuz of his struggles in May and the playoffs. Like there's a bunch of reasonable critics that think RJ is probably just a starter or a 3rd options on a championship team and there's others that think he's worse than Bullock and want to run him out of town.

I think part of the issue is, we got a taste of winning basketball after sucking for so long, guys are desperate for more. And while guys like Lillard are clearly better than RJ, and Sexton is an upgrade too, it's questionable how far we could go with just them and Randle, so we shouldn't go all-in without a plan to get another star. I'm fine with trading RJ for a 3rd star, but you need to get a star without trading him before it makes sense to do so

The bigger part is probably that memes are infectious. "RJ is just a 3-D guy" was just a meme, and funny at first, but then people kept saying it and started believing it. Like, you even have people who say he was always just a 3-D guy, going back to college and high school. Which is absolutely ludicrous cause 3pt shooting was a big weakness for him in the draft, and his main selling point was his driving ability and playmaking.

prophet_of_rage · Post #1720 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:08 pm

K-DOT wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
I think it's kinda funny how there's massive mood swings on this board reacting to what just recently happened to us. Like post Melo year, a lot of us we desperate for players that could play within a team concept cuz we sick of watching Melo iso. There was a bunch of posters that wanted Frank over Tatum cuz that reason. I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't high on Tatum for that reason and wanted Josh Jackson instead. I think we're kinda of seeing that now with our need for perimeter creator. Don't get me wrong we definitely need one but it doesn't really make sense for us to do a tear down.

That's why I find the anti RJ brigade is a very peculiar bunch. After a season where he improved his play across the board completely it just seems odd to be down on him cuz of his struggles in May and the playoffs. Like there's a bunch of reasonable critics that think RJ is probably just a starter or a 3rd options on a championship team and there's others that think he's worse than Bullock and want to run him out of town.

I think part of the issue is, we got a taste of winning basketball after sucking for so long, guys are desperate for more. And while guys like Lillard are clearly better than RJ, and Sexton is an upgrade too, it's questionable how far we could go with just them and Randle, so we shouldn't go all-in without a plan to get another star. I'm fine with trading RJ for a 3rd star, but you need to get a star without trading him before it makes sense to do so

The bigger part is probably that memes are infectious. "RJ is just a 3-D guy" was just a meme, and funny at first, but then people kept saying it and started believing it. Like, you even have people who say he was always just a 3-D guy, going back to college and high school. Which is absolutely ludicrous cause 3pt shooting was a big weakness for him in the draft, and his main selling point was his driving ability and playmaking.

So the fans don't actually know what they are talking about. SHOCKING!

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