Vecenie: Suggs is the #2 prospect in this draft

[Indeed]

I just posted this in the draft thread, but in mocking Suggs to the Raptors at #4, Sam also says this:

I don’t think this pick is a done deal yet. Sources certainly believe the Raptors are indeed considering Scottie Barnes in addition to the consensus top-four names. Additionally, this pick is thought to be available for the right price in a trade-down scenario.

As I say in the draft thread, this strongly suggests that Masai is bigging up the Raps' interest in Barnes, to encourage the Magic to give us an asset to switch picks. I don't think that asset will be #8, but the Magic's #33 pick will make it easier to select Queta.

I post the same thing a week ago, I think we can keep either Suggs or Barnes, but Barnes playing at a position that is rare, so in terms of asset management, he would be better, imo. As for our immediate need, Suggs will have the impact right away.

As for #33, there are McBride, Grimes, or if someone like Zaire Williams drops all the way to the high 2nd. I am not sure we are desperate to take a C project that needs 2 or 3 years to be a rotation player.

[ishoy123]

My concern is his wingspan being average and playing at a position with many talent replacement. I compare him to Tony Parker type of impact.

If he becomes as good as Parker we should be happy imo.

People get way overhyped about draft prospects. Are we supposed to be disappointed if we get a 6x all star with the 4th pick?

[Psubs]

That's crazy because I'd trade the 4th pick for Edward's right now if presented the chance.

Really? I wouldn't. Edwards is the same size as Suggs but doesn't have the defense or passing skills. Green projects to be a better individual shot creator than Edwards, and Mobley has DPOY upside on the defensive end with a smooth offensive game that has room to grow and is 7' tall.

Edwards is a good prospect, don't get me wrong, but he was an inefficient volume scorer on a terrible team last year. That's not enough for me to take him over Green/Mobley/Suggs, especially since he's already burned one of his rookie contract years.

Nah I'd take Edwards 2nd and noteven think about it, 20ppg scorer rookie year and he wasn't totally inefficient for the whole year. He started slow and picked it up after ASB. The combination of size & scoring ability easily makes him go 2nd.

I think the question is if you didn't see what Edwards did last season. As a 1 and done prospect.

[vulture]

My concern is his wingspan being average and playing at a position with many talent replacement. I compare him to Tony Parker type of impact.

If he becomes as good as Parker we should be happy imo.

People get way overhyped about draft prospects. Are we supposed to be disappointed if we get a 6x all star with the 4th pick?

Whatever you do don't go into the draft thread where people are comparing Mobley to Tim Duncan lol...

[Double Bubble]

what's the nba comparison for suggs. Iverson? westbrook? early mighty mouse?

[Rebel INS]

My concern is his wingspan being average and playing at a position with many talent replacement. I compare him to Tony Parker type of impact.

If he becomes as good as Parker we should be happy imo.

People get way overhyped about draft prospects. Are we supposed to be disappointed if we get a 6x all star with the 4th pick?

Agreed. Some people seem to have a MVP calibre superstar or bust mentality, when by definition there are only ever gonna be 5 to 8 of those guys in the league at any given time. Most drafts only produce 1 of those guys, if any

Finding an allstar calibre (but not 'superstar') starter for the next decade is where realistic 'best case' expectations for 4th overall should be

[Raps in 4]

You could look at any guy 1-7 really, there all good. It's still a crap shoot regardless of who you like.

There is a steep drop-off after 1-4 for me. Barnes and Kuminga have way too many undeveloped parts to their games. This is the first draft in a very long time where I feel it isn't much of a crap shoot at the top. The top-4 guys are all highly skilled.

[Tor_Raps]

That's crazy because I'd trade the 4th pick for Edward's right now if presented the chance.

Really? I wouldn't. Edwards is the same size as Suggs but doesn't have the defense or passing skills. Green projects to be a better individual shot creator than Edwards, and Mobley has DPOY upside on the defensive end with a smooth offensive game that has room to grow and is 7' tall.

Edwards is a good prospect, don't get me wrong, but he was an inefficient volume scorer on a terrible team last year. That's not enough for me to take him over Green/Mobley/Suggs, especially since he's already burned one of his rookie contract years.

Nah I'd take Edwards 2nd and noteven think about it, 20ppg scorer rookie year and he wasn't totally inefficient for the whole year. He started slow and picked it up after ASB. The combination of size & scoring ability easily makes him go 2nd.

I was saying Edwards over Suggs only at the 4th, not over Green/Mobley. Edwards after the allstar break was pretty damn good and has go to scorer potential, which is exactly what we need.

I'd rather take the player I've already seen in a small sample size over someone who has yet to play a game in the NBA. You never know how their games would translate to the NBA and that was the main reason why I said Edwards > Suggs for me.

[raincityraptors]

The way that people are ranking Suggs reminds me a lot of how folks ranked Wade in 2003. I'm not saying Suggs is like Wade. It just feels similar that yet another combo guard/winner type isn't living up to the hype and potential of bigger, longer players who have a higher ceiling. A high floor winner is just fine by me. I love all 4 of the big 4 in this draft. Just please no Barnes or Kuminga. I just want to see what we can do with a real blue chip, potential #1 prospect (which I feel any of the first 4 are).

[Jadoogar]

I just posted this in the draft thread, but in mocking Suggs to the Raptors at #4, Sam also says this:

I don’t think this pick is a done deal yet. Sources certainly believe the Raptors are indeed considering Scottie Barnes in addition to the consensus top-four names. Additionally, this pick is thought to be available for the right price in a trade-down scenario.

As I say in the draft thread, this strongly suggests that Masai is bigging up the Raps' interest in Barnes, to encourage the Magic to give us an asset to switch picks. I don't think that asset will be #8, but the Magic's #33 pick will make it easier to select Queta.

I post the same thing a week ago, I think we can keep either Suggs or Barnes, butBarnes playing at a position that is rare so in terms of asset management, he would be better, imo. As for our immediate need, Suggs will have the impact right away.

As for #33, there are McBride, Grimes, or if someone like Zaire Williams drops all the way to the high 2nd. I am not sure we are desperate to take a C project that needs 2 or 3 years to be a rotation player.

I think Barnes just has too much overlap with OG and Siakam on the team, it will be very hard for him to get playing time here.

[Troubadour]

I'm coming around to having him ahead of Green. At his worst, Suggs is a 10+ year starting PG. Maybe a little pedestrian (super athletic Cory Joseph?), but still very solid. At his best, he's an All-Star. I don't think he gets to All-NBA level outcomes, but he could be a top 25 or top 30 player in the league.

Green is a bit scarier because of his relatively lower floor and the ceiling is only maybe a little higher. I don't really see him as a top 5 or top 10 player down the road. Maybe an All-NBA player like Beal?

[Indeed]

I just posted this in the draft thread, but in mocking Suggs to the Raptors at #4, Sam also says this:



As I say in the draft thread, this strongly suggests that Masai is bigging up the Raps' interest in Barnes, to encourage the Magic to give us an asset to switch picks. I don't think that asset will be #8, but the Magic's #33 pick will make it easier to select Queta.

I post the same thing a week ago, I think we can keep either Suggs or Barnes, butBarnes playing at a position that is rare so in terms of asset management, he would be better, imo. As for our immediate need, Suggs will have the impact right away.

As for #33, there are McBride, Grimes, or if someone like Zaire Williams drops all the way to the high 2nd. I am not sure we are desperate to take a C project that needs 2 or 3 years to be a rotation player.

I think Barnes just has too much overlap with OG and Siakam on the team, it will be very hard for him to get playing time here.

Maybe the first two years when neither Siakam and Barnes can space the floor that well, they could be overlap.
As for OG, not so much to me. OG is more SG/SF, he started with good 3 point shooting (40% first year of college?), so on offense, they aren't overlap regardless Barnes plays PF or SF.

Barnes will come off the bench behind Siakam and OG, once he can shoot better and improve his handle, he can close games with Siakam and OG. The question is if he meets our timeline.

Barnes is a high risk & super high reward, while Suggs is a medium risk & high reward.

[SHFT]

how awesome is it that we are even talking about this guy LOL.

Gets me every time I think about it.

Although part of me was waiting for the Civil War that would have been Barnes v Kaminga.

[lolwut]

I love how everyone's mantra is "always draft BPA regardless of fit", but once you start talking about specific teams drafting specific players, the conversation makes a 180 and it's always about "oh but Team X already has Player A, so there's no room for Player B"

[niQ]

MixxSRC posted this in the draft thread https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/ooq432/jalen_suggs_his_peak_as_scorer_and_playmaker/

Not saying it'll happen but... Imagine the 4th pick we lucked into turned out to be the next Harden.

Actually, Harden's draft profile is eerily similar to Suggs...

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/james-harden/

Spoiler:

Keep in mind this is Harden's sophomore season...

Strengths: Very smooth and crafty wing player … Used his sophomore season to add new dimensions to his game, and he proved to be a steady and consistent scoring threat … One of the most mature and NBA ready players of his class … He has great feel and understanding of the game, knows when he has to be a facilitator and when he has to take over the scoring load … As much as he brings in terms of scoring, his vision and playmaking ability may be his most impressive attributes … He makes great reads and is extremely unselfish … Has a developed body that is prepared to handle the rigors he will face in the league … In ISO situations he has a variety of deceptive and shifty moves that allow him to get by defenders … Out of the triple threat he is difficult to defend because his jab step is long and he sells his shot fake extremely well … Off the bounce he incorporates a nice crossover as well as in&out and behind the back dribbles to get into the lane … His jumper has shown great improvements, he has added range as well as consistency from the outside … His strength is a great asset because he is not afraid to use his body, either on drives or when playing with his back to the basket … Has good balance and body control when finishing around the basket … He has become a difficult matchup, because he looks to take advantage of mismatches, and enjoys playing with his back to the basket … Has a great feel for the ball, on the glass and in the passing lanes …

Weaknesses: Does not posses the great size that many have at his position … His leaping ability and quickness are only marginal, which forces him into tough and contested drives and makes it hard for him to get by people. His midrange game will need to become more polished, his ability to make shots off the dribble before the helpside D rotates will be key … He has become turnover prone at 3.4 per game, but this is mostly a result of being asked to do too much …

NBA comparison: Manu Ginobili/Brandon Roy

[MikeM]

Suggs is not the 2nd best prospect, come on. Mobley is 7 feet, can guard PGs and can dribble.

If they all reach their potential, Mobley is better than Suggs.

[Fast_Feets]

Give me suggs. Worst nightmare is getting a soft skilled big in mobley. I dont want a bosh. We need power at the pf and C spots. Hopefully freddie 2 powers up and gets more chiseled

Trade boucher for another late draft or 2nd.

[will]

Give me suggs. Worst nightmare is getting a soft skilled big in mobley. I dont want a bosh. We need power at the pf and C spots. Hopefully freddie 2 powers up and gets more chiseled

Trade boucher for another late draft or 2nd.

Damn right.

Suggs all day, playboy!

[Young_Buc]

The way that people are ranking Suggs reminds me a lot of how folks ranked Wade in 2003. I'm not saying Suggs is like Wade. It just feels similar that yet another combo guard/winner type isn't living up to the hype and potential of bigger, longer players who have a higher ceiling. A high floor winner is just fine by me. I love all 4 of the big 4 in this draft. Just please no Barnes or Kuminga. I just want to see what we can do with a real blue chip, potential #1 prospect (which I feel any of the first 4 are).

Pretty accurate, not in games but watching Suggs reminded me of watching Wade and Curry in the tourney. You just look and say THAT GUY.

[Young_Buc]

Also I like Jalen Green but I think he's being really overrated here. He can score, but there's a few guys who can and can't do much else. We know! We've had them!!