Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[Capn'O]

I think it's kinda funny how there's massive mood swings on this board reacting to what just recently happened to us. Like post Melo year, a lot of us we desperate for players that could play within a team concept cuz we sick of watching Melo iso. There was a bunch of posters that wanted Frank over Tatum cuz that reason. I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't high on Tatum for that reason and wanted Josh Jackson instead. I think we're kinda of seeing that now with our need for perimeter creator. Don't get me wrong we definitely need one but it doesn't really make sense for us to do a tear down.

That's why I find the anti RJ brigade is a very peculiar bunch. After a season where he improved his play across the board completely it just seems odd to be down on him cuz of his struggles in May and the playoffs. Like there's a bunch of reasonable critics that think RJ is probably just a starter or a 3rd options on a championship team and there's others that think he's worse than Bullock and want to run him out of town.

I think part of the issue is, we got a taste of winning basketball after sucking for so long, guys are desperate for more. And while guys like Lillard are clearly better than RJ, and Sexton is an upgrade too, it's questionable how far we could go with just them and Randle, so we shouldn't go all-in without a plan to get another star. I'm fine with trading RJ for a 3rd star, but you need to get a star without trading him before it makes sense to do so

The bigger part is probably that memes are infectious. "RJ is just a 3-D guy" was just a meme, and funny at first, but then people kept saying it and started believing it. Like, you even have people who say he was always just a 3-D guy, going back to college and high school. Which is absolutely ludicrous cause 3pt shooting was a big weakness for him in the draft, and his main selling point was his driving ability and playmaking.

I don't think anyone should be looking at final forms yet. To me the intrigue in Sexton is the potential to consolidate some assets. If he can contribute to winning play, he becomes a completely different class of asset than anything we have outside of maybe RJ because he is still so young. Even on his second contract, you then have a player that you can either keep or becomes a key salary and value piece of a trade for a major player. You just don't have that in draft capital unless you own another team's unprotected pick that projects to be very high. He could become so much more valuable than any of the proposed outgoing pieces.

If the risk pays off, Sexton becomes one of the highest asset classes in the game AND a good player to have.


Regarding RJ - I'm in the "hold" camp. I don't think there's a championship option that is realistic right now by moving core assets.

[GONYK]

I've not seen any attribution to that trade - does anyone know it's origins?

Cavs Fansided blog

https://factoryofsadness.co/2021/07/19/cavs-acceptable-collin-sexton-knicks-trade-come/2/

[jvsimonetti0514]

I think it's kinda funny how there's massive mood swings on this board reacting to what just recently happened to us. Like post Melo year, a lot of us we desperate for players that could play within a team concept cuz we sick of watching Melo iso. There was a bunch of posters that wanted Frank over Tatum cuz that reason. I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't high on Tatum for that reason and wanted Josh Jackson instead. I think we're kinda of seeing that now with our need for perimeter creator. Don't get me wrong we definitely need one but it doesn't really make sense for us to do a tear down.

That's why I find the anti RJ brigade is a very peculiar bunch. After a season where he improved his play across the board completely it just seems odd to be down on him cuz of his struggles in May and the playoffs. Like there's a bunch of reasonable critics that think RJ is probably just a starter or a 3rd options on a championship team and there's others that think he's worse than Bullock and want to run him out of town.

I think part of the issue is, we got a taste of winning basketball after sucking for so long, guys are desperate for more. And while guys like Lillard are clearly better than RJ, and Sexton is an upgrade too, it's questionable how far we could go with just them and Randle, so we shouldn't go all-in without a plan to get another star. I'm fine with trading RJ for a 3rd star, but you need to get a star without trading him before it makes sense to do so

The bigger part is probably that memes are infectious. "RJ is just a 3-D guy" was just a meme, and funny at first, but then people kept saying it and started believing it. Like, you even have people who say he was always just a 3-D guy, going back to college and high school. Which is absolutely ludicrous cause 3pt shooting was a big weakness for him in the draft, and his main selling point was his driving ability and playmaking.

Yup exactly.. When your bits and serious post both kinda look the same it's definitely no longer a bit.

[Chanel Bomber]

I think it's kinda funny how there's massive mood swings on this board reacting to what just recently happened to us. Like post Melo year, a lot of us we desperate for players that could play within a team concept cuz we sick of watching Melo iso. There was a bunch of posters that wanted Frank over Tatum cuz that reason. I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't high on Tatum for that reason and wanted Josh Jackson instead. I think we're kinda of seeing that now with our need for perimeter creator. Don't get me wrong we definitely need one but it doesn't really make sense for us to do a tear down.

That's why I find the anti RJ brigade is a very peculiar bunch. After a season where he improved his play across the board completely it just seems odd to be down on him cuz of his struggles in May and the playoffs. Like there's a bunch of reasonable critics that think RJ is probably just a starter or a 3rd options on a championship team and there's others that think he's worse than Bullock and want to run him out of town.

I think part of the issue is, we got a taste of winning basketball after sucking for so long, guys are desperate for more. And while guys like Lillard are clearly better than RJ, and Sexton is an upgrade too, it's questionable how far we could go with just them and Randle, so we shouldn't go all-in without a plan to get another star. I'm fine with trading RJ for a 3rd star, but you need to get a star without trading him before it makes sense to do so

The bigger part is probably that memes are infectious. "RJ is just a 3-D guy" was just a meme, and funny at first, but then people kept saying it and started believing it. Like, you even have people who say he was always just a 3-D guy, going back to college and high school. Which is absolutely ludicrous cause 3pt shooting was a big weakness for him in the draft, and his main selling point was his driving ability and playmaking.

I agree with your general point but at this stage in his career, RJ is in fact a 3D guy who can also be active without the ball and make plays out of the pick-and-roll, albeit very methodically (and sporadically due to how Thibs uses him).

He's one my favorite players in the league and my favorite Knick since Melo and Lin, but it's really what he is right now.

He ended the season with a weak TS% despite shooting 40% from 3 and making huge strides at the FT line. That means he was horrible from everywhere else. Can't finish at the rim, can't shoot from midrange, can't create his own shot. That's just a fact. His best value came from the 3-point line, and his movement off the ball. So the 3D label does apply to a large extent.

He's very talented as a playmaker for a wing but he only showed flashes last year. The role that Thibs carved for him has a lot to do with that, but concretely he didn't playmake much this past season.

PS: But I do want to see more of it. And his career has just started.

[DOT]

I don't think anyone should be looking at final forms yet. To me the intrigue in Sexton is the potential to consolidate some assets. If he can contribute to winning play, he becomes a completely different class of asset than anything we have outside of maybe RJ because he is still so young. Even on his second contract, you then have a player that you can either keep or becomes a key salary and value piece of a trade for a major player. You just don't have that in draft capital unless you own another team's unprotected pick that projects to be very high. He could become so much more valuable than any of the proposed outgoing pieces.

If the risk pays off, Sexton becomes one of the highest asset classes in the game AND a good player to have.


Regarding RJ - I'm in the "hold" camp. I don't think there's a championship option that is realistic right now by moving core assets.

My thinking is similar to what I just did getting D Mitch in BaF

Pretty much just asset consolidation. I'm still holding out on Hayes Island, and while I like guys like Okongwu and Bey, they're not really gonna be worth Mitchell. It's actually kind of a similar deal to what's proposed for us, two former top 10 picks (one a bust/bust adjacent in Knox/Hayes, one okay in Obi/Okongwu) and a mid-first (I gave up 17, our proposed deal gives them 19). Consolidate the mid-tier assets into one greater valued asset, while keeping your top assets (Garland and 3rd pick for me, Randle and RJ for the Knicks) to either compliment the guy you're getting, or to keep for a potential future deal

Sure, I could have offered Garland and/or the 3rd pick, but if I can get him without giving them up, that's just better GM-ing.

[Capn'O]

I don't think anyone should be looking at final forms yet. To me the intrigue in Sexton is the potential to consolidate some assets. If he can contribute to winning play, he becomes a completely different class of asset than anything we have outside of maybe RJ because he is still so young. Even on his second contract, you then have a player that you can either keep or becomes a key salary and value piece of a trade for a major player. You just don't have that in draft capital unless you own another team's unprotected pick that projects to be very high. He could become so much more valuable than any of the proposed outgoing pieces.

If the risk pays off, Sexton becomes one of the highest asset classes in the game AND a good player to have.


Regarding RJ - I'm in the "hold" camp. I don't think there's a championship option that is realistic right now by moving core assets.

My thinking is similar to what I just did getting D Mitch in BaF

Pretty much just asset consolidation. I'm still holding out on Hayes Island, and while I like guys like Okongwu and Bey, they're not really gonna be worth Mitchell. It's actually kind of a similar deal to what's proposed for us, two former top 10 picks (one a bust/bust adjacent in Knox/Hayes, one okay in Obi/Okongwu) and a mid-first (I gave up 17, our proposed deal gives them 19). Consolidate the mid-tier assets into one greater valued asset, while keeping your top assets (Garland and 3rd pick for me, Randle and RJ for the Knicks) to either compliment the guy you're getting, or to keep for a potential future deal

Sure, I could have offered Garland and/or the 3rd pick, but if I can get him without giving them up, that's just better GM-ing.

Yup. That was a great trade for you. You have to give to get. It's been my base BAF strategy from the get-go. Keep grabbing dimes and nickels, then trade two dimes and a nickel for a quarter. And so on.

Speaking of which, the Knicks should still try to poach THT

[Appleshampoo]

I think it's kinda funny how there's massive mood swings on this board reacting to what just recently happened to us. Like post Melo year, a lot of us we desperate for players that could play within a team concept cuz we sick of watching Melo iso. There was a bunch of posters that wanted Frank over Tatum cuz that reason. I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't high on Tatum for that reason and wanted Josh Jackson instead. I think we're kinda of seeing that now with our need for perimeter creator. Don't get me wrong we definitely need one but it doesn't really make sense for us to do a tear down.

That's why I find the anti RJ brigade is a very peculiar bunch. After a season where he improved his play across the board completely it just seems odd to be down on him cuz of his struggles in May and the playoffs. Like there's a bunch of reasonable critics that think RJ is probably just a starter or a 3rd options on a championship team and there's others that think he's worse than Bullock and want to run him out of town.

I think part of the issue is, we got a taste of winning basketball after sucking for so long, guys are desperate for more. And while guys like Lillard are clearly better than RJ, and Sexton is an upgrade too, it's questionable how far we could go with just them and Randle, so we shouldn't go all-in without a plan to get another star. I'm fine with trading RJ for a 3rd star, but you need to get a star without trading him before it makes sense to do so

The bigger part is probably that memes are infectious. "RJ is just a 3-D guy" was just a meme, and funny at first, but then people kept saying it and started believing it. Like, you even have people who say he was always just a 3-D guy, going back to college and high school. Which is absolutely ludicrous cause 3pt shooting was a big weakness for him in the draft, and his main selling point was his driving ability and playmaking.

I don't think anyone should be looking at final forms yet. To me the intrigue in Sexton is the potential to consolidate some assets. If he can contribute to winning play, he becomes a completely different class of asset than anything we have outside of maybe RJ because he is still so young. Even on his second contract, you then have a player that you can either keep or becomes a key salary and value piece of a trade for a major player. You just don't have that in draft capital unless you own another team's unprotected pick that projects to be very high. He could become so much more valuable than any of the proposed outgoing pieces.

If the risk pays off, Sexton becomes one of the highest asset classes in the game AND a good player to have.


Regarding RJ - I'm in the "hold" camp. I don't think there's a championship option that is realistic right now by moving core assets.

That's key. Like Buzz said, Sexton could grow into a Jamal Murray role. Use 1 or 2 picks, keep players. Not Lilliard-esque but still capable of scoring 30. The net benefit is higher than Dame in exchange for all assets.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I think it's kinda funny how there's massive mood swings on this board reacting to what just recently happened to us. Like post Melo year, a lot of us we desperate for players that could play within a team concept cuz we sick of watching Melo iso. There was a bunch of posters that wanted Frank over Tatum cuz that reason. I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't high on Tatum for that reason and wanted Josh Jackson instead. I think we're kinda of seeing that now with our need for perimeter creator. Don't get me wrong we definitely need one but it doesn't really make sense for us to do a tear down.

That's why I find the anti RJ brigade is a very peculiar bunch. After a season where he improved his play across the board completely it just seems odd to be down on him cuz of his struggles in May and the playoffs. Like there's a bunch of reasonable critics that think RJ is probably just a starter or a 3rd options on a championship team and there's others that think he's worse than Bullock and want to run him out of town.

I think part of the issue is, we got a taste of winning basketball after sucking for so long, guys are desperate for more. And while guys like Lillard are clearly better than RJ, and Sexton is an upgrade too, it's questionable how far we could go with just them and Randle, so we shouldn't go all-in without a plan to get another star. I'm fine with trading RJ for a 3rd star, but you need to get a star without trading him before it makes sense to do so

The bigger part is probably that memes are infectious. "RJ is just a 3-D guy" was just a meme, and funny at first, but then people kept saying it and started believing it. Like, you even have people who say he was always just a 3-D guy, going back to college and high school. Which is absolutely ludicrous cause 3pt shooting was a big weakness for him in the draft, and his main selling point was his driving ability and playmaking.

I agree with your general point but at this stage in his career, RJ is in fact a 3D guy who can also be active without the ball and make plays out of the pick-and-roll, albeit very methodically (and sporadically due to how Thibs uses him).

He's one my favorite players in the league and my favorite Knick since Melo and Lin, but it's really what he is right now.

He ended the season with a weak TS% despite shooting 40% from 3 and making huge strides at the FT line. That means he was horrible from everywhere else. Can't finish at the rim, can't shoot from midrange, can't create his own shot. That's just a fact. His best value came from the 3-point line, and his movement off the ball. So the 3D label does apply to a large extent.

He's very talented as a playmaker for a wing but he only showed flashes last year. The role that Thibs carved for him has a lot to do with that, but concretely he didn't playmake much this past season.

3-D players dont drive and attack the paint like RJ. Now, he does have to work on his efficiency and improve, but that he does it and scores a decent amount of points in the paint. It really doesn't fit the typical definition of a 3D player. RJ is even top 20 in assists off drives.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I think it's kinda funny how there's massive mood swings on this board reacting to what just recently happened to us. Like post Melo year, a lot of us we desperate for players that could play within a team concept cuz we sick of watching Melo iso. There was a bunch of posters that wanted Frank over Tatum cuz that reason. I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't high on Tatum for that reason and wanted Josh Jackson instead. I think we're kinda of seeing that now with our need for perimeter creator. Don't get me wrong we definitely need one but it doesn't really make sense for us to do a tear down.

That's why I find the anti RJ brigade is a very peculiar bunch. After a season where he improved his play across the board completely it just seems odd to be down on him cuz of his struggles in May and the playoffs. Like there's a bunch of reasonable critics that think RJ is probably just a starter or a 3rd options on a championship team and there's others that think he's worse than Bullock and want to run him out of town.

I think part of the issue is, we got a taste of winning basketball after sucking for so long, guys are desperate for more. And while guys like Lillard are clearly better than RJ, and Sexton is an upgrade too, it's questionable how far we could go with just them and Randle, so we shouldn't go all-in without a plan to get another star. I'm fine with trading RJ for a 3rd star, but you need to get a star without trading him before it makes sense to do so

The bigger part is probably that memes are infectious. "RJ is just a 3-D guy" was just a meme, and funny at first, but then people kept saying it and started believing it. Like, you even have people who say he was always just a 3-D guy, going back to college and high school. Which is absolutely ludicrous cause 3pt shooting was a big weakness for him in the draft, and his main selling point was his driving ability and playmaking.

I don't think anyone should be looking at final forms yet. To me the intrigue in Sexton is the potential to consolidate some assets. If he can contribute to winning play, he becomes a completely different class of asset than anything we have outside of maybe RJ because he is still so young. Even on his second contract, you then have a player that you can either keep or becomes a key salary and value piece of a trade for a major player. You just don't have that in draft capital unless you own another team's unprotected pick that projects to be very high. He could become so much more valuable than any of the proposed outgoing pieces.

If the risk pays off, Sexton becomes one of the highest asset classes in the game AND a good player to have.


Regarding RJ - I'm in the "hold" camp. I don't think there's a championship option that is realistic right now by moving core assets.

I think there's a rush for us to become a championship contender and of course that's something that I want too but it's not realistic for that to happen over night. Maybe we should just become a good team first. That's why I like this Sexton move too. It's low cost and if Thibs can get the most out of Sexton, it's a great move. He can still be an asset as long as we don't have to pay him the max. I still think if you can get him for under 25 million a year with him being so young still that's flippable for a real star. Same thing goes with RJ. Or if we can have a compelling pitch to Lavine and we're consistently a 48-53 win team, why wouldn't I sign up for that?

[DOT]

I agree with your general point but at this stage in his career, RJ is in fact a 3D guy who can also make plays out of the pick-and-roll, albeit very methodically (and sporadically due to how Thibs uses him).

He's one my favorite players in the league and my favorite Knick since Melo and Lin, but it's really what he is right now.

He ended the season with a weak TS% despite shooting 40% from 3 and making huge strides at the FT line. That means he was horrible from everywhere else. Can't finish at the rim, can't shoot from midrange, can't create his own shot. That's just a fact. So the 3D label does apply.

He's very talented as a playmaker for a wing but he only showed flashes last year. The role that Thibs carved for him has a lot to do with that, but concretely he didn't playmake much this past season.

No, I agree with this for the most part

RJ's best (and really only NBA-level) skill on offense is his spot-up shooting for now. But to say he "can't" create his own shot, finish, or shoot mids is a bit reductive, because he can, he's just bad at it

Like, the difference between "can't" and "is just bad at it" is best illustrated comparing Giannis to Ben Simmons. People say both can't shoot, but in reality, Simmons can't shoot, Giannis can, he's just bad at it. RJ shows signs that he's developing creating his own shot, developing his finishing ability, and it's safe to say he could one day have those skills, but right now, he's still developing

I feel like the 3-D label should just be for guys who rarely show any potential to create off the dribble, guys like Klay, JJ Redick, Bertans, Bullock (to give examples of all different skill levels), and those guys take most of their shots from 3 (though Klay is kind of more than just a 3-D guy). RJ takes relatively few of his shots from 3, so I feel like the 3-D label doesn't apply, because while he most certainly isn't good at the rest of his game, he's still getting most of his shot attempts from non-3pt shots. He actually drove more than anyone not named Rose for us, and had a better drive attempt-spot up attempt than Randle. He wasn't particularly good at it, but still

I don't mind when guys say he's best as a spot-up guy but shows potential as an on-ball creator, cause that's true. I do mind when guys unironically say he's basically Bullock and will never be anything more, because the first part is just factually incorrect, and the second part is entirely too pessimistic and makes it look like they're not really watching the games.

[DOT]

Yup. That was a great trade for you. You have to give to get. It's been my base BAF strategy from the get-go. Keep grabbing dimes and nickels, then trade two dimes and a nickel for a quarter. And so on.

Speaking of which, the Knicks should still try to poach THT

Lakers wouldn't even trade him for Lowry, how are we gonna get him lol

It's also kind of funny, I had the first pick, would've taken Edwards who people compared to D Mitch, then traded back essentially for 6 and 8, drafted Hayes and Okongwu, then flipped them a year later for actual D Mitch

[Deeeez Knicks]

I think part of the issue is, we got a taste of winning basketball after sucking for so long, guys are desperate for more. And while guys like Lillard are clearly better than RJ, and Sexton is an upgrade too, it's questionable how far we could go with just them and Randle, so we shouldn't go all-in without a plan to get another star. I'm fine with trading RJ for a 3rd star, but you need to get a star without trading him before it makes sense to do so

The bigger part is probably that memes are infectious. "RJ is just a 3-D guy" was just a meme, and funny at first, but then people kept saying it and started believing it. Like, you even have people who say he was always just a 3-D guy, going back to college and high school. Which is absolutely ludicrous cause 3pt shooting was a big weakness for him in the draft, and his main selling point was his driving ability and playmaking.

I don't think anyone should be looking at final forms yet. To me the intrigue in Sexton is the potential to consolidate some assets. If he can contribute to winning play, he becomes a completely different class of asset than anything we have outside of maybe RJ because he is still so young. Even on his second contract, you then have a player that you can either keep or becomes a key salary and value piece of a trade for a major player. You just don't have that in draft capital unless you own another team's unprotected pick that projects to be very high. He could become so much more valuable than any of the proposed outgoing pieces.

If the risk pays off, Sexton becomes one of the highest asset classes in the game AND a good player to have.


Regarding RJ - I'm in the "hold" camp. I don't think there's a championship option that is realistic right now by moving core assets.

I think there's a rush for us to become a championship contender and of course that's something that I want too but it's not realistic for that to happen over night. Maybe we should just become a good team first. That's why I like this Sexton move too. It's low cost and if Thibs can get the most out of Sexton, it's a great move. He can still be an asset as long as we don't have to pay him the max. I still think if you can get him for under 25 million a year with him being so young still that's flippable for a real star. Same thing goes with RJ. Or if we can have a compelling pitch to Lavine and we're consistently a 48-53 win team, why wouldn't I sign up for that?

For me it just depends what we have to give up for Sexton. Sexton would be a very interesting fit for what we have built this year under Thibs. We saw a lot of growth from RJ, Randle, etc and you could see how Sexton might be able to grow in those same ways too as a lot of people pointed out.

But just depends on the cost. I am just assuming his cost is gonna be higher then the intitial rumors.

[Appleshampoo]

I don't think anyone should be looking at final forms yet. To me the intrigue in Sexton is the potential to consolidate some assets. If he can contribute to winning play, he becomes a completely different class of asset than anything we have outside of maybe RJ because he is still so young. Even on his second contract, you then have a player that you can either keep or becomes a key salary and value piece of a trade for a major player. You just don't have that in draft capital unless you own another team's unprotected pick that projects to be very high. He could become so much more valuable than any of the proposed outgoing pieces.

If the risk pays off, Sexton becomes one of the highest asset classes in the game AND a good player to have.


Regarding RJ - I'm in the "hold" camp. I don't think there's a championship option that is realistic right now by moving core assets.

I think there's a rush for us to become a championship contender and of course that's something that I want too but it's not realistic for that to happen over night. Maybe we should just become a good team first. That's why I like this Sexton move too. It's low cost and if Thibs can get the most out of Sexton, it's a great move. He can still be an asset as long as we don't have to pay him the max. I still think if you can get him for under 25 million a year with him being so young still that's flippable for a real star. Same thing goes with RJ. Or if we can have a compelling pitch to Lavine and we're consistently a 48-53 win team, why wouldn't I sign up for that?

For me it just depends what we have to give up for Sexton. Sexton would be a very interesting fit for what we have built this year under Thibs. We saw a lot of growth from RJ, Randle, etc and you could see how Sexton might be able to grow in those same ways too as a lot of people pointed out.

But just depends on the cost. I am just assuming his cost is gonna be higher then the intitial rumors.

Possible difficult decision: Quickley or Sexton. I would probably keep IQ and picks there. If we're negotiating against Heat and they offer Tyler Herro what else do they include? Do the Cavs value players or picks?

[Capn'O]

Maybe we should just become a good team first.

Exactly. But one where there are still options moving forward. Where you're not completely boxed in to building one way.

[Capn'O]

Yup. That was a great trade for you. You have to give to get. It's been my base BAF strategy from the get-go. Keep grabbing dimes and nickels, then trade two dimes and a nickel for a quarter. And so on.

Speaking of which, the Knicks should still try to poach THT

Lakers wouldn't even trade him for Lowry, how are we gonna get him lol

It's also kind of funny, I had the first pick, would've taken Edwards who people compared to D Mitch, then traded back essentially for 6 and 8, drafted Hayes and Okongwu, then flipped them a year later for actual D Mitch

He's an RFA and we have money. It probably won't work.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I think there's a rush for us to become a championship contender and of course that's something that I want too but it's not realistic for that to happen over night. Maybe we should just become a good team first. That's why I like this Sexton move too. It's low cost and if Thibs can get the most out of Sexton, it's a great move. He can still be an asset as long as we don't have to pay him the max. I still think if you can get him for under 25 million a year with him being so young still that's flippable for a real star. Same thing goes with RJ. Or if we can have a compelling pitch to Lavine and we're consistently a 48-53 win team, why wouldn't I sign up for that?

For me it just depends what we have to give up for Sexton. Sexton would be a very interesting fit for what we have built this year under Thibs. We saw a lot of growth from RJ, Randle, etc and you could see how Sexton might be able to grow in those same ways too as a lot of people pointed out.

But just depends on the cost. I am just assuming his cost is gonna be higher then the intitial rumors.

Possible difficult decision: Quickley or Sexton. I would probably keep IQ and picks there. If we're negotiating against Heat and they offer Tyler Herro what else do they include? Do the Cavs value players or picks?

They want players and I think cuz they want to speed up the rebuild. If the Heat want to offer Herro, you need to just let Sexton walk. I'd rather hold on to IQ for someone bigger and better than Sexton.

[Deeeez Knicks]

For me it just depends what we have to give up for Sexton. Sexton would be a very interesting fit for what we have built this year under Thibs. We saw a lot of growth from RJ, Randle, etc and you could see how Sexton might be able to grow in those same ways too as a lot of people pointed out.

But just depends on the cost. I am just assuming his cost is gonna be higher then the intitial rumors.

Possible difficult decision: Quickley or Sexton. I would probably keep IQ and picks there. If we're negotiating against Heat and they offer Tyler Herro what else do they include? Do the Cavs value players or picks?

They want players and I think cuz they want to speed up the rebuild. If the Heat want to offer Herro, you need to just let Sexton walk. I'd rather hold on to IQ for someone bigger and better than Sexton.

Yea, I wouldnt trade IQ. That we have him for cheap for 3 more years or so is a big advantage, while Sexton has to get paid soon

[Capn'O]

Possible difficult decision: Quickley or Sexton. I would probably keep IQ and picks there. If we're negotiating against Heat and they offer Tyler Herro what else do they include? Do the Cavs value players or picks?

They want players and I think cuz they want to speed up the rebuild. If the Heat want to offer Herro, you need to just let Sexton walk. I'd rather hold on to IQ for someone bigger and better than Sexton.

Yea, I wouldnt trade IQ. That we have him for cheap for 3 more years or so is a big advantage, while Sexton has to get paid soon

Ditto. Our goal should be to consolidate. Not risk anything that could end up a 1 for 1 with us giving extra. Pack up and move on to the next one if that's the case.

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funny enough Trae Young shot 52.9 from 0-5 feet and RJ shot 52.8. I'm kinda annoyed I can't find this tweet that had his monthly breakdown at the rim and every month was over 55% with one over 60% with the exception of May. That month he was below 40%, which probably skewed his numbers down significantly.

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funny enough Trae Young shot 52.9 from 0-5 feet and RJ shot 52.8. I'm kinda annoyed I can't find this tweet that had his monthly breakdown at the rim and every month was over 55% with one over 60% with the exception of May. That month he was below 40%, which probably skewed his numbers down significantly.

RJ's shooting by month:

Spoiler:

December:
53.7% in restricted area
18.2% non-restricted area paint
20.0% mid range

January:
57.6% in restricted area
39.3% non-restricted area paint
42.4% mid range

February:
50.0% in restricted area
36.8% non-restricted area paint
32.0% mid range

March:
63.7% in restricted area
32.6% non-restricted area paint
34.6% mid range

April:
55.4% in restricted area
25.0% non-restricted area paint
48.1% mid range

May:
41.7% in restricted area
34.4% non-restricted area paint
8.3% mid range

Playoffs:
58.3% in restricted area
27.3% non-restricted area paint
25.0% mid range

So basically, for most of the season, he was around the 55%, 57% mark from the restricted area. With May and March being the outliers, 41.7% in May, 63.7% in March. So I'd say, he's not the best finisher, but his struggles are a bit overblown. What it is is, he shot 49.8% on layups, but got enough dunks to where his overall FG% within 3 feet was 60.5% (solid, and a big improvement from 56.8% his rookie year). Where he really struggles in in the non-restricted paint area, where he never cracked 40% in a month and had multiple months of sub-30%. Then of course, his mid range which was also wildly inconsistent at best.