Hal’s Draft Thread

[sully00]

Grant Williams has his faults, but he's one of our best, most versatile defenders and shot 37.2% from 3 this season (league average is just over 36%).

He's also the best pick setter on the team now that Theis is gone. But haters gonna hate.

Dude Grant Williams is one level up from a scrub. please stop it.. someone doesn't agree it's hating???

stop it.

But that is the problem with this whole premise. You may be right and Grant Williams may only be a level up from a scrub these guys you are talking about have all just played at the same level of basketball as Grant Williams dominated and are not as good as him physically or statistically. Wieskamp might be a better 3pt shooter than Williams but that isn't even a weakness of Williams anymore. Williams is a better defender, rebounder and passer and scorer he got to the line 7 times a game in college. If nothing else Grant Wiliams was able to earn his coach's trust and get mins.

Beyond that how is this a position of need on this team right now? There has to be a dozen 3 and no D bigs out in FA you can have for nothing. We can just keep Kornet. They have Horford, Williams, Brown, and Thompson on top of Grant Williams. This team needs guard help desperately. History tells you can find great guards in the second round because frankly there are just more NBA level athletes that are under 6'5" than over and the separation between one prospect and another can be quite small.

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Joe Wieskamp is better than Duncan and Graham DEFENSIVELY and could end up better than Connaughton, all while being a versatile multi-positional player with a make you pay (for doubling up) jump shot. Tatum-Brown need that on this team.

Grant Williams is NOT a good defender. He has good defensive moments and is a try hard.

C'mon man, you're better than comments like this. You're showing that you're super biased for Wieskamp and super biased against Grant.

1) No way in hell you can say for certainty that Wieskamp is better than Duncan Robinson. C'mon now. Wieskamp was a lights out shooter in college and it remains to be seen whether his shooting can translate to the NBA with bigger, faster defenders, more switching schemes and a 3 point line that's further away. Robinson meanwhile has proven at the NBA level for the past 2 yrs in a row that he's one of the elite shooters in the NBA - other than Curry and Klay, Robinson is probably the best shooter in the game.

And defensively, I'm not saying Robinson is an elite defender but he's at least solid, he's decent, he's at least average. Do you not remember the ECF last year vs Miami? I was going into that series thinking "ok, whoever Robinson is guarding, whether it's Tatum or Brown is going to dominate" but nope, it didn't happen. Robinson was on Tatum most of the time and did a surprisingly good job of defending Tatum and making him work for pretty much every shot he took. Meanwhile, Wieskamp at this point looks like he is likely to be a defensive liability (based on the scouting report video I just posted which shows him getting burned and exposed time on D time and time again).

2) We might just have to agree to disagree on this, but Grant Williams is a good defender. He's good defensively, not great. Last season I had him ranked as our 6th best defender (after Smart, Rob, Langford, Tatum and barely behind Thompson). Grant is arguably our most versatile defender - he can guard 4's and 5's down low pretty well and on the perimeter he does a solid job defending quicker/smaller wings. Tatum can't defend bigs down low, neither can Langford. Smart can defend really well 1-4, not so good defending 5's.

I know many people complain about the amount of mins Grant has gotten these past 2 yrs but the reason he's gotten mins is because a) we have run a switch on everything defense and he's arguably our most switchable defender b) he's played more mins because of all the injuries/COVID and c) Clearly Brad likes his hustle, effort and how he's a rah rah type of guy cheering from the bench and always the first one off the bench to high 5 his teammates as they come to the bench for a timeout

With that being said, he does have some limitations. Not very good dribbling or creating any type of offense off the bounce. Sometimes too slow to defend in space vs really quick guards like a Kyrie combined with being undersized in the paint at 6'6" and not a high leaper. Those things combined and yes, if we can find someone who's better than him I'm all for it - but he's not terrible as a 9th or 10th guy on the roster. And I'm not sure Wieskamp is the guy who would replace him in the rotation, as it looks like at this point Wieskamp is likely to be a defensive liability. We already have 1 guy who is a good shooter but defensive liability and not great at handling the ball or creating off the bounce (Pritchard)

for starters I failed to use the word DEFENSIVELY better than Duncan and Graham. all while providing inside and outside scoring + better rebounding. he can step in for a few positions and be a solid complimentary role player that any team that wants to win a title needs. Example Connaughton, played a big role in winning for the Bucks. Wieskamp has a chance to be the better version of Connaughton.

*Grant Williams should never be a part of a rotation for a team trying to win a ring.

1) "Wieskamp has a chance to be a better version of Connaughton" better at what? Connaughton is a knock down shooter with a significant edge over Wieskamp in terms of a) strength, solid build, toughness (the dude is a tough SOB), a rock solid 6'5", 209 lbs compared to Wieskamp who's 6'7" but only 204 lbs, even Spinella's scouting report video on Wieskamp talks about his lack of strength as a weakness and b) defensively Connaughton is very solid, definitely not a liability, he is switchable and did a solid job defending Booker in the finals, a dude who is very difficult to guard - again, Wieskamp appears at this point to be likely a defensive liability

2) If Wieskamp is not close to Robinson-level defensively, then how can you possibly say Wieskamp is better than Robinson? Again, Wieskamp was a lights out shooter in college and it remains to be seen whether his shooting can translate to the NBA with bigger, faster defenders, more switching schemes and a 3 point line that's further away. Robinson meanwhile has proven at the NBA level for the past 2 yrs in a row that he's one of the elite shooters in the NBA - other than Curry and Klay, Robinson is probably the best shooter in the game. Inside scoring-wise, I don't see Wieskamp doing anything that Robinson can't do (Wieskamp sure he might be a better dunker) and Wieskamp is a better rebounder but he also played more of a combo 3/4 type of role in college whereas Robinson is more of a combo 2/3 type of guy which means less rebounding opportunities. Again, Wieskamp's defense might make it very hard for him to crack mins for a good NBA team which is why Spinella has him down there at the no. 52 spot on his big board. Defense matters, it's 50% of basketball so must be considered.

3) I think you might be right that Grant is not a guy who should be in the rotation for a playoff team. But a) Wieskamp being a defensive liability, not a switchable defender, can't defend PnR, needs to add strength (evidence of all of this in Spinella's scouting report video on him) probably isn't a guy capable of being a regular rotation guy on a good playoff team either (at least not yet). and b) Look at Jae Crowder and look at PJ Tucker. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that Grant Williams could end up being a Crowder/Tucker type of guy?

Grant Williams = 6'6", 236 lbs. can't create off the dribble, slow, can't jump, undersized, not super athletic but a good defender who is tough, physical, gritty player who can knock down 3's and accepts his role
Jae Crowder = 6'6", 234 lbs. can't create off the dribble, slow, can't jump, undersized, not super athletic but a good defender who is tough, physical, gritty player who can knock down 3's and accepts his role
PJ Tucker = 6'5", 245 lbs. can't create off the dribble, slow, can't jump, undersized, not super athletic but a good defender who is tough, physical, gritty player who can knock down 3's and accepts his role

Crowder and Tucker were starters in the NBA finals which just happened. I'm not saying Grant is as good as them today but Grant is only 22 yrs old so still has a decent amount of room to improve and develop. He could end up being at least a slightly worse version of Crowder/Tucker which would still be a solid rotation player off the bench on a good team.

[winsomme2]

C'mon man, you're better than comments like this. You're showing that you're super biased for Wieskamp and super biased against Grant.

1) No way in hell you can say for certainty that Wieskamp is better than Duncan Robinson. C'mon now. Wieskamp was a lights out shooter in college and it remains to be seen whether his shooting can translate to the NBA with bigger, faster defenders, more switching schemes and a 3 point line that's further away. Robinson meanwhile has proven at the NBA level for the past 2 yrs in a row that he's one of the elite shooters in the NBA - other than Curry and Klay, Robinson is probably the best shooter in the game.

And defensively, I'm not saying Robinson is an elite defender but he's at least solid, he's decent, he's at least average. Do you not remember the ECF last year vs Miami? I was going into that series thinking "ok, whoever Robinson is guarding, whether it's Tatum or Brown is going to dominate" but nope, it didn't happen. Robinson was on Tatum most of the time and did a surprisingly good job of defending Tatum and making him work for pretty much every shot he took. Meanwhile, Wieskamp at this point looks like he is likely to be a defensive liability (based on the scouting report video I just posted which shows him getting burned and exposed time on D time and time again).

2) We might just have to agree to disagree on this, but Grant Williams is a good defender. He's good defensively, not great. Last season I had him ranked as our 6th best defender (after Smart, Rob, Langford, Tatum and barely behind Thompson). Grant is arguably our most versatile defender - he can guard 4's and 5's down low pretty well and on the perimeter he does a solid job defending quicker/smaller wings. Tatum can't defend bigs down low, neither can Langford. Smart can defend really well 1-4, not so good defending 5's.

I know many people complain about the amount of mins Grant has gotten these past 2 yrs but the reason he's gotten mins is because a) we have run a switch on everything defense and he's arguably our most switchable defender b) he's played more mins because of all the injuries/COVID and c) Clearly Brad likes his hustle, effort and how he's a rah rah type of guy cheering from the bench and always the first one off the bench to high 5 his teammates as they come to the bench for a timeout

With that being said, he does have some limitations. Not very good dribbling or creating any type of offense off the bounce. Sometimes too slow to defend in space vs really quick guards like a Kyrie combined with being undersized in the paint at 6'6" and not a high leaper. Those things combined and yes, if we can find someone who's better than him I'm all for it - but he's not terrible as a 9th or 10th guy on the roster. And I'm not sure Wieskamp is the guy who would replace him in the rotation, as it looks like at this point Wieskamp is likely to be a defensive liability. We already have 1 guy who is a good shooter but defensive liability and not great at handling the ball or creating off the bounce (Pritchard)

for starters I failed to use the word DEFENSIVELY better than Duncan and Graham. all while providing inside and outside scoring + better rebounding. he can step in for a few positions and be a solid complimentary role player that any team that wants to win a title needs. Example Connaughton, played a big role in winning for the Bucks. Wieskamp has a chance to be the better version of Connaughton.

*Grant Williams should never be a part of a rotation for a team trying to win a ring.

1) "Wieskamp has a chance to be a better version of Connaughton" better at what? Connaughton is a knock down shooter with a significant edge over Wieskamp in terms of a) strength, solid build, toughness (the dude is a tough SOB), a rock solid 6'5", 209 lbs compared to Wieskamp who's 6'7" but only 204 lbs, even Spinella's scouting report video on Wieskamp talks about his lack of strength as a weakness and b) defensively Connaughton is very solid, definitely not a liability, he is switchable and did a solid job defending Booker in the finals, a dude who is very difficult to guard - again, Wieskamp appears at this point to be likely a defensive liability

2) If Wieskamp is not close to Robinson-level defensively, then how can you possibly say Wieskamp is better than Robinson? Again, Wieskamp was a lights out shooter in college and it remains to be seen whether his shooting can translate to the NBA with bigger, faster defenders, more switching schemes and a 3 point line that's further away. Robinson meanwhile has proven at the NBA level for the past 2 yrs in a row that he's one of the elite shooters in the NBA - other than Curry and Klay, Robinson is probably the best shooter in the game. Inside scoring-wise, I don't see Wieskamp doing anything that Robinson can't do (Wieskamp sure he might be a better dunker) and Wieskamp is a better rebounder but he also played more of a combo 3/4 type of role in college whereas Robinson is more of a combo 2/3 type of guy which means less rebounding opportunities. Again, Wieskamp's defense might make it very hard for him to crack mins for a good NBA team which is why Spinella has him down there at the no. 52 spot on his big board. Defense matters, it's 50% of basketball so must be considered.

3) I think you might be right that Grant is not a guy who should be in the rotation for a playoff team. But a) Wieskamp being a defensive liability, not a switchable defender, can't defend PnR, needs to add strength (evidence of all of this in Spinella's scouting report video on him) probably isn't a guy capable of being a regular rotation guy on a good playoff team either (at least not yet). and b) Look at Jae Crowder and look at PJ Tucker. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that Grant Williams could end up being a Crowder/Tucker type of guy?

Grant Williams = 6'6", 236 lbs. can't create off the dribble, slow, can't jump, undersized, not super athletic but a good defender who is tough, physical, gritty player who can knock down 3's and accepts his role
Jae Crowder = 6'6", 234 lbs. can't create off the dribble, slow, can't jump, undersized, not super athletic but a good defender who is tough, physical, gritty player who can knock down 3's and accepts his role
PJ Tucker = 6'5", 245 lbs. can't create off the dribble, slow, can't jump, undersized, not super athletic but a good defender who is tough, physical, gritty player who can knock down 3's and accepts his role

Crowder and Tucker were starters in the NBA finals which just happened. I'm not saying Grant is as good as them today but Grant is only 22 yrs old so still has a decent amount of room to improve and develop. He could end up being at least a slightly worse version of Crowder/Tucker which would still be a solid rotation player off the bench on a good team.

I think the stuff that Grant is weak at won't improve.

He's too slow to guard 3s and too small to guard 4s. He also has terrible hands and touch. He certainly can hang on somewhere due to what you are saying about grittiness and hard work but he just shouldn't get significant minutes here IMO.

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Solid resource here which shows an update of who's still in the draft and where they are projected to go:
https://www.nbabigboard.com/p/whos-in-and-whos-out-of-the-nba-draft-de7

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for starters I failed to use the word DEFENSIVELY better than Duncan and Graham. all while providing inside and outside scoring + better rebounding. he can step in for a few positions and be a solid complimentary role player that any team that wants to win a title needs. Example Connaughton, played a big role in winning for the Bucks. Wieskamp has a chance to be the better version of Connaughton.

*Grant Williams should never be a part of a rotation for a team trying to win a ring.

1) "Wieskamp has a chance to be a better version of Connaughton" better at what? Connaughton is a knock down shooter with a significant edge over Wieskamp in terms of a) strength, solid build, toughness (the dude is a tough SOB), a rock solid 6'5", 209 lbs compared to Wieskamp who's 6'7" but only 204 lbs, even Spinella's scouting report video on Wieskamp talks about his lack of strength as a weakness and b) defensively Connaughton is very solid, definitely not a liability, he is switchable and did a solid job defending Booker in the finals, a dude who is very difficult to guard - again, Wieskamp appears at this point to be likely a defensive liability

2) If Wieskamp is not close to Robinson-level defensively, then how can you possibly say Wieskamp is better than Robinson? Again, Wieskamp was a lights out shooter in college and it remains to be seen whether his shooting can translate to the NBA with bigger, faster defenders, more switching schemes and a 3 point line that's further away. Robinson meanwhile has proven at the NBA level for the past 2 yrs in a row that he's one of the elite shooters in the NBA - other than Curry and Klay, Robinson is probably the best shooter in the game. Inside scoring-wise, I don't see Wieskamp doing anything that Robinson can't do (Wieskamp sure he might be a better dunker) and Wieskamp is a better rebounder but he also played more of a combo 3/4 type of role in college whereas Robinson is more of a combo 2/3 type of guy which means less rebounding opportunities. Again, Wieskamp's defense might make it very hard for him to crack mins for a good NBA team which is why Spinella has him down there at the no. 52 spot on his big board. Defense matters, it's 50% of basketball so must be considered.

3) I think you might be right that Grant is not a guy who should be in the rotation for a playoff team. But a) Wieskamp being a defensive liability, not a switchable defender, can't defend PnR, needs to add strength (evidence of all of this in Spinella's scouting report video on him) probably isn't a guy capable of being a regular rotation guy on a good playoff team either (at least not yet). and b) Look at Jae Crowder and look at PJ Tucker. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that Grant Williams could end up being a Crowder/Tucker type of guy?

Grant Williams = 6'6", 236 lbs. can't create off the dribble, slow, can't jump, undersized, not super athletic but a good defender who is tough, physical, gritty player who can knock down 3's and accepts his role
Jae Crowder = 6'6", 234 lbs. can't create off the dribble, slow, can't jump, undersized, not super athletic but a good defender who is tough, physical, gritty player who can knock down 3's and accepts his role
PJ Tucker = 6'5", 245 lbs. can't create off the dribble, slow, can't jump, undersized, not super athletic but a good defender who is tough, physical, gritty player who can knock down 3's and accepts his role

Crowder and Tucker were starters in the NBA finals which just happened. I'm not saying Grant is as good as them today but Grant is only 22 yrs old so still has a decent amount of room to improve and develop. He could end up being at least a slightly worse version of Crowder/Tucker which would still be a solid rotation player off the bench on a good team.

I think the stuff that Grant is weak at won't improve.

He's too slow to guard 3s and too small to guard 4s. He also has terrible hands and touch. He certainly can hang on somewhere due to what you are saying about grittiness and hard work but he just shouldn't get significant minutes here IMO.

1) I'm still not seeing what makes Crowder and Tucker that much better than Grant. Grant is basically the same size as them, just as quick (Tucker might be a little quicker....I think Grant is just as quick as Crowder though) yet Tucker and Crowder were starters in the NBA finals that just happened.
2) Some of Grant's weaknesses he can improve. He can cut down on turnovers, cut down on fouling so much, improve FT%, improve 3 point %...just get more experience and more comfortable out there which will help him make better plays overall and better decisions with the ball and become a savvy vet (a big reason why Crowder and Tucker are valuable guys), he can improve his moves off the dribble

[playa-hater]

C'mon man, you're better than comments like this. You're showing that you're super biased for Wieskamp and super biased against Grant.

1) No way in hell you can say for certainty that Wieskamp is better than Duncan Robinson. C'mon now. Wieskamp was a lights out shooter in college and it remains to be seen whether his shooting can translate to the NBA with bigger, faster defenders, more switching schemes and a 3 point line that's further away. Robinson meanwhile has proven at the NBA level for the past 2 yrs in a row that he's one of the elite shooters in the NBA - other than Curry and Klay, Robinson is probably the best shooter in the game.

And defensively, I'm not saying Robinson is an elite defender but he's at least solid, he's decent, he's at least average. Do you not remember the ECF last year vs Miami? I was going into that series thinking "ok, whoever Robinson is guarding, whether it's Tatum or Brown is going to dominate" but nope, it didn't happen. Robinson was on Tatum most of the time and did a surprisingly good job of defending Tatum and making him work for pretty much every shot he took. Meanwhile, Wieskamp at this point looks like he is likely to be a defensive liability (based on the scouting report video I just posted which shows him getting burned and exposed time on D time and time again).

2) We might just have to agree to disagree on this, but Grant Williams is a good defender. He's good defensively, not great. Last season I had him ranked as our 6th best defender (after Smart, Rob, Langford, Tatum and barely behind Thompson). Grant is arguably our most versatile defender - he can guard 4's and 5's down low pretty well and on the perimeter he does a solid job defending quicker/smaller wings. Tatum can't defend bigs down low, neither can Langford. Smart can defend really well 1-4, not so good defending 5's.

I know many people complain about the amount of mins Grant has gotten these past 2 yrs but the reason he's gotten mins is because a) we have run a switch on everything defense and he's arguably our most switchable defender b) he's played more mins because of all the injuries/COVID and c) Clearly Brad likes his hustle, effort and how he's a rah rah type of guy cheering from the bench and always the first one off the bench to high 5 his teammates as they come to the bench for a timeout

With that being said, he does have some limitations. Not very good dribbling or creating any type of offense off the bounce. Sometimes too slow to defend in space vs really quick guards like a Kyrie combined with being undersized in the paint at 6'6" and not a high leaper. Those things combined and yes, if we can find someone who's better than him I'm all for it - but he's not terrible as a 9th or 10th guy on the roster. And I'm not sure Wieskamp is the guy who would replace him in the rotation, as it looks like at this point Wieskamp is likely to be a defensive liability. We already have 1 guy who is a good shooter but defensive liability and not great at handling the ball or creating off the bounce (Pritchard)

for starters I failed to use the word DEFENSIVELY better than Duncan and Graham. all while providing inside and outside scoring + better rebounding. he can step in for a few positions and be a solid complimentary role player that any team that wants to win a title needs. Example Connaughton, played a big role in winning for the Bucks. Wieskamp has a chance to be the better version of Connaughton.

*Grant Williams should never be a part of a rotation for a team trying to win a ring.

1) "Wieskamp has a chance to be a better version of Connaughton" better at what? Connaughton is a knock down shooter with a significant edge over Wieskamp in terms of a) strength, solid build, toughness (the dude is a tough SOB), a rock solid 6'5", 209 lbs compared to Wieskamp who's 6'7" but only 204 lbs, even Spinella's scouting report video on Wieskamp talks about his lack of strength as a weakness and b) defensively Connaughton is very solid, definitely not a liability, he is switchable and did a solid job defending Booker in the finals, a dude who is very difficult to guard - again, Wieskamp appears at this point to be likely a defensive liability

2) If Wieskamp is not close to Robinson-level defensively, then how can you possibly say Wieskamp is better than Robinson? Again, Wieskamp was a lights out shooter in college and it remains to be seen whether his shooting can translate to the NBA with bigger, faster defenders, more switching schemes and a 3 point line that's further away. Robinson meanwhile has proven at the NBA level for the past 2 yrs in a row that he's one of the elite shooters in the NBA - other than Curry and Klay, Robinson is probably the best shooter in the game. Inside scoring-wise, I don't see Wieskamp doing anything that Robinson can't do (Wieskamp sure he might be a better dunker) and Wieskamp is a better rebounder but he also played more of a combo 3/4 type of role in college whereas Robinson is more of a combo 2/3 type of guy which means less rebounding opportunities. Again, Wieskamp's defense might make it very hard for him to crack mins for a good NBA team which is why Spinella has him down there at the no. 52 spot on his big board. Defense matters, it's 50% of basketball so must be considered.

3) I think you might be right that Grant is not a guy who should be in the rotation for a playoff team. But a) Wieskamp being a defensive liability, not a switchable defender, can't defend PnR, needs to add strength (evidence of all of this in Spinella's scouting report video on him) probably isn't a guy capable of being a regular rotation guy on a good playoff team either (at least not yet). and b) Look at Jae Crowder and look at PJ Tucker. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that Grant Williams could end up being a Crowder/Tucker type of guy?

Grant Williams = 6'6", 236 lbs. can't create off the dribble, slow, can't jump, undersized, not super athletic but a good defender who is tough, physical, gritty player who can knock down 3's and accepts his role
Jae Crowder = 6'6", 234 lbs. can't create off the dribble, slow, can't jump, undersized, not super athletic but a good defender who is tough, physical, gritty player who can knock down 3's and accepts his role
PJ Tucker = 6'5", 245 lbs. can't create off the dribble, slow, can't jump, undersized, not super athletic but a good defender who is tough, physical, gritty player who can knock down 3's and accepts his role

Crowder and Tucker were starters in the NBA finals which just happened. I'm not saying Grant is as good as them today but Grant is only 22 yrs old so still has a decent amount of room to improve and develop. He could end up being at least a slightly worse version of Crowder/Tucker which would still be a solid rotation player off the bench on a good team.

just way too much for me to Digest I am not a big fan of going back-and-forth so I'll just leave this as I have my opinion and I will.stick with it

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Lol this is the most exhausting thread about a 45 pick I've ever seen on realgm

[MagicBagley18]

Hey show me that clip of our prospective #45 pick playing 1 on 1 against a microwave again- he looked great!

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Aaron Henry - 6'6" with a 6'11" wingspan. Good defender, and good rebounder.

https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/aaron-henry-scouting-report/

This scouting report is based on his freshman year...

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/07/21/draft-notes-aaron-henry-shouldnt-sleeper/

his description sounds like what Grant Williams is supposed to be. He is OK in my eyes. Just too many others I like more.

There is a difference. Aaron Henry is a guard that can play SF. Defensively, he can cover 1-3. Grant is an undersized 4 who can play small ball 5. Based on his highlight videos, not seeing a lot of similarities to Grant's game.

[playa-hater]

Aaron Henry - 6'6" with a 6'11" wingspan. Good defender, and good rebounder.

https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/aaron-henry-scouting-report/

This scouting report is based on his freshman year...

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/07/21/draft-notes-aaron-henry-shouldnt-sleeper/

his description sounds like what Grant Williams is supposed to be. He is OK in my eyes. Just too many others I like more.

There is a difference. Aaron Henry is a guard that can play SF. Defensively, he can cover 1-3. Grant is an undersized 4 who can play small ball 5. Based on his highlight videos, not seeing a lot of similarities to Grant's game.

Perhaps.. still like some other players more..

[playa-hater]

Lol this is the most exhausting thread about a 45 pick I've ever seen on realgm

Definitely not as good as talking about Jaylen Brown for Dame for 300 pages lol back atcha

[Froob]

Lol this is the most exhausting thread about a 45 pick I've ever seen on realgm

Definitely not as good as talking about Jaylen Brown for Dame for 300 pages lol back atcha

Somebody crunch the numbers for pick 45, it's gotta be like .01% of being a star.

I'm really passed entertaining Yam or anyone from round 2 being good. I'll keep my expectations very low. It can happen, but let's not get too excited lol.

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Lol this is the most exhausting thread about a 45 pick I've ever seen on realgm

Definitely not as good as talking about Jaylen Brown for Dame for 300 pages lol back atcha

Somebody crunch the numbers for pick 45, it's gotta be like .01% of being a star.

I'm really passed entertaining Yam or anyone from round 2 being good. I'll keep my expectations very low. It can happen, but let's not get too excited lol.

1) Just a few 2nd round picks:

Jokic #41,
Ginobili #57
Patty Mills #55
Isaiah Thomas #60
Anthony Mason #53
Kyle Korver #51
Larry Kenon #50
Eddie Johnson #49
Marc Gasol #48
Paul Millsap #47
Jeff Hornacek #46
Bobby Dandridge #45
Michael Redd #42
George Gervin #40
Khris Middleton #39
Pat Connaughton #41
Jerami Grant #39

Undrafted
Bruce Bowen
Duncan Robinson

2) Madar would have likely been a 1st round pick in this year's draft. He was very unknown at this time last year, only averaged 10 PPG and 26% shooting from 3. But this year he improved that to 17 PPG and 41% from 3, and won his league's Most Improved Player award. He is much more well known now. Plus, international players often get drafted lower than they should.

3) This is a very deep draft, deeper than most years..there's 2 or 3 guys who will likely be available at 45th pick (Santi Aldama, Juhann Begarin and possibly Moses Wright) who IMO are just as good (if not better) than guys we would have been looking at taking with 16th pick if we didn't trade it.

[Froob]

Definitely not as good as talking about Jaylen Brown for Dame for 300 pages lol back atcha

Somebody crunch the numbers for pick 45, it's gotta be like .01% of being a star.

I'm really passed entertaining Yam or anyone from round 2 being good. I'll keep my expectations very low. It can happen, but let's not get too excited lol.

1) Just a few 2nd round picks:

Jokic #41,
Ginobili #57
Patty Mills #55
Isaiah Thomas #60
Anthony Mason #53
Kyle Korver #51
Larry Kenon #50
Eddie Johnson #49
Marc Gasol #48
Paul Millsap #47
Jeff Hornacek #46
Bobby Dandridge #45
Michael Redd #42
George Gervin #40
Khris Middleton #39
Pat Connaughton #41
Jerami Grant #39

Undrafted
Bruce Bowen
Duncan Robinson

2) Madar would have likely been a 1st round pick in this year's draft. He was very unknown at this time last year, only averaged 10 PPG and 26% shooting from 3. But this year he improved that to 17 PPG and 41% from 3, and won his league's Most Improved Player award. He is much more well known now. Plus, international players often get drafted lower than they should.

3) This is a very deep draft, deeper than most years..

Yam might be good, but he is doing this against subpar competition compared to the NBA. Let's see how he does in SL.

[Hal14]

Somebody crunch the numbers for pick 45, it's gotta be like .01% of being a star.

I'm really passed entertaining Yam or anyone from round 2 being good. I'll keep my expectations very low. It can happen, but let's not get too excited lol.

1) Just a few 2nd round picks:

Jokic #41,
Ginobili #57
Patty Mills #55
Isaiah Thomas #60
Anthony Mason #53
Kyle Korver #51
Larry Kenon #50
Eddie Johnson #49
Marc Gasol #48
Paul Millsap #47
Jeff Hornacek #46
Bobby Dandridge #45
Michael Redd #42
George Gervin #40
Khris Middleton #39
Pat Connaughton #41
Jerami Grant #39

Undrafted
Bruce Bowen
Duncan Robinson

2) Madar would have likely been a 1st round pick in this year's draft. He was very unknown at this time last year, only averaged 10 PPG and 26% shooting from 3. But this year he improved that to 17 PPG and 41% from 3, and won his league's Most Improved Player award. He is much more well known now. Plus, international players often get drafted lower than they should.

3) This is a very deep draft, deeper than most years..

Yam might be good, but he is doing this against subpar competition compared to the NBA. Let's see how he does in SL.

You could say the same thing about literally any rookie who hasn't played in the NBA yet. Except the pro league Madar was in is actually better competition than NCAA, which is where most lottery picks come from - and teams draft those lottery picks (most of the time) with the intention of having them be starters or key bench contributors. Madar played not 1 but 3 seasons professionally in that league.

I don't mean to sidetrack the thread, though..

[Homerclease]

Summer league exposed Ante Zizic, will have to see how Madar fares. Hopefully his game translates.

[Celts17Pride]

Summer league exposed Ante Zizic, will have to see how Madar fares. Hopefully his game translates.

Half the posters in this forum are all ready wondering how many all star games he will make in his career. Make the team first.

I think Madar is going to be one of the two way players this year or will play one more season overseas.

[winsomme2]

Feron Hunt

6'8" super athletic, good body control and hands, good rebounder

Watch on YouTube

[winsomme2]

Chris Smith

6'9" long athletic wing with a smooth game and decent handles. recovering from torn ACL in January

Watch on YouTube

[Homerclease]

Summer league exposed Ante Zizic, will have to see how Madar fares. Hopefully his game translates.

Half the posters in this forum are all ready wondering how many all star games he will make in his career. Make the team first.

I think Madar is going to be one of the two way players this year or will play one more season overseas.

I remember being the same way when we got zizic. Dude was a double double machine in Croatia and looked like the goods on tape, came to the summer league and the game was just wayyyyy to fast for him and he was never able to to adjust. I’m not making the same mistake with this guy until he shows it state side