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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1741 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:09 pm

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:funny enough Trae Young shot 52.9 from 0-5 feet and RJ shot 52.8. I'm kinda annoyed I can't find this tweet that had his monthly breakdown at the rim and every month was over 55% with one over 60% with the exception of May. That month he was below 40%, which probably skewed his numbers down significantly.

RJ's shooting by month:

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December:
53.7% in restricted area
18.2% non-restricted area paint
20.0% mid range

January:
57.6% in restricted area
39.3% non-restricted area paint
42.4% mid range

February:
50.0% in restricted area
36.8% non-restricted area paint
32.0% mid range

March:
63.7% in restricted area
32.6% non-restricted area paint
34.6% mid range

April:
55.4% in restricted area
25.0% non-restricted area paint
48.1% mid range

May:
41.7% in restricted area
34.4% non-restricted area paint
8.3% mid range

Playoffs:
58.3% in restricted area
27.3% non-restricted area paint
25.0% mid range


So basically, for most of the season, he was around the 55%, 57% mark from the restricted area. With May and March being the outliers, 41.7% in May, 63.7% in March. So I'd say, he's not the best finisher, but his struggles are a bit overblown. What it is is, he shot 49.8% on layups, but got enough dunks to where his overall FG% within 3 feet was 60.5% (solid, and a big improvement from 56.8% his rookie year). Where he really struggles in in the non-restricted paint area, where he never cracked 40% in a month and had multiple months of sub-30%. Then of course, his mid range which was also wildly inconsistent at best.


That's pretty much what I'm trying to get at too. He's not a great finisher but not as bad as his critics say he is. Those non restricted area point fg% probably explains on why he gave up on the floater during the season. :lol: those are some brutal numbers.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1742 » by newyorker4ever » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:24 pm

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DaGawd wrote:Yep. Averaging 24 ppg in his 3rd year on really solid percentages.. he has a clear path to being an offensive star in the league on his current trajectory

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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1743 » by newyorker4ever » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:26 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:this is what thibs wants



he did stuff like this in alabama too. true dog heart.


Thibs wants someone who plays zero defense? Hmmmmmm... :wavefinger:
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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1744 » by newyorker4ever » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:29 pm

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yeah. maybe we should be trading for this lillard


Maybe...


Idk if he’ll be dame good but I could him maybe developing into a Jamal Murray impact type of guy


I can promise you he'll never be dame good.
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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1745 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:29 pm

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Jeff Van Gully wrote:this is what thibs wants



he did stuff like this in alabama too. true dog heart.


Thibs wants someone who plays zero defense? Hmmmmmm... :wavefinger:

In 3 years, Sexton has been coached by Ty Lue for 6 games, John Bellein and JB Bickerstaff.

In other words, mayhem.

I may be a Thibs skeptic, but you can bet Sexton would be a much different player on defense under Thibs.
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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1746 » by newyorker4ever » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:37 pm

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Jeff Van Gully wrote:this is what thibs wants



he did stuff like this in alabama too. true dog heart.


Thibs wants someone who plays zero defense? Hmmmmmm... :wavefinger:

In 3 years, Sexton has been coached by Ty Lue for 6 games, John Bellein and JB Bickerstaff.

In other words, mayhem.

I may be a Thibs skeptic, but you can bet Sexton would be a much different player on defense under Thibs.


You can bet it, i won't bet it.

#speculation.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1747 » by newyorker4ever » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:38 pm

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Giannis--pick #15
K.Middelton--pick #39
J.Holiday--pick #17

Pick #19 and #21 have value
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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1748 » by Meat » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:39 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:this is what thibs wants



he did stuff like this in alabama too. true dog heart.


Thibs wants someone who plays zero defense? Hmmmmmm... :wavefinger:

lets not act like the knicks were this great defensive team before thibs got here, coaching and culture matters
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1749 » by Meat » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:53 pm

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Giannis--pick #15
K.Middelton--pick #39
J.Holiday--pick #17

Pick #19 and #21 have value

it also rains in the Sahara, just because something happens doesn't mean it's the norm. Good players in the latter rounds are a long shot
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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1750 » by DaGawd » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:53 pm

Meat wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:this is what thibs wants



he did stuff like this in alabama too. true dog heart.


Thibs wants someone who plays zero defense? Hmmmmmm... :wavefinger:

lets not act like the knicks were this great defensive team before thibs got here, coaching and culture matters

Facts. Honestly the Knicks roster this past season was made of players with a reputation of being either shaky-downright poor defenders outside of Mitch Noel Gibson and maybe Bullock. Thibs got them to buy in to his scheme. Without proper leadership young players like Sexton get cast as poor defenders
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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1751 » by SelbyCobra » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:57 pm

Meat wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:this is what thibs wants



he did stuff like this in alabama too. true dog heart.


Thibs wants someone who plays zero defense? Hmmmmmm... :wavefinger:

lets not act like the knicks were this great defensive team before thibs got here, coaching and culture matters


Lets also not act like the most Thibs player of all time wasn't anything but a turnstile on defense at his peak.

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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1752 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:05 pm

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Giannis--pick #15
K.Middelton--pick #39
J.Holiday--pick #17

Pick #19 and #21 have value


The picks have value. I wouldn't trade all of them, or even 2 out of 3 of them, for Sexton. Well, maybe if one is #32.

I'm hoping the trade is Knox, #19, #32. Knicks still retain a pick in the draft, get some 3&D wing. I sort of ignore pick #58, because that's probably not going to yield a good player. In fact, I'd hope, and I figure, it'll be used on a draft and stash, that way the Knick have an "asset" but of no cap cost. Aller seems to be into that kind of thing, and it's a smart idea.
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Post#1753 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:05 pm

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Post#1754 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:27 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
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DaGawd wrote:Image

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Giannis--pick #15
K.Middelton--pick #39
J.Holiday--pick #17

Pick #19 and #21 have value




They do, but we're not drafting any 18 year old projects like Giannis was, we'll trade the pick long before doing something like that. Thibs & this front office don't have any type of patience for swing for the fences developmental players.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1755 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:54 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
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DaGawd wrote:Image

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Giannis--pick #15
K.Middelton--pick #39
J.Holiday--pick #17

Pick #19 and #21 have value


http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-draft-pick-expectations

They do have value but you’re way more likely to get a bench or an end of rotation player than you are going to get an all star or a starter.

19th pick: 19% of the played picked there turned into all stars or starters
21st pick : 26% of players selected there turned into all stars or starters

Granted these numbers are only up until 2015 cuz that’s when ESPN bought out DX but the odds say Sexton is going to be way better of a player than whoever we grab with these picks.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1756 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:44 pm

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Giannis--pick #15
K.Middelton--pick #39
J.Holiday--pick #17

Pick #19 and #21 have value




They do, but we're not drafting any 18 year old projects like Giannis was, we'll trade the pick long before doing something like that. Thibs & this front office don't have any type of patience for swing for the fences developmental players.


I don’t know if that’s fair. Most likely they want to win now and require players who are ready to contribute. But I expect to see young/project players getting drafted after the team is built to be sustainably good.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1757 » by DOT » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:01 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
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newyorker4ever wrote:Giannis--pick #15
K.Middelton--pick #39
J.Holiday--pick #17

Pick #19 and #21 have value




They do, but we're not drafting any 18 year old projects like Giannis was, we'll trade the pick long before doing something like that. Thibs & this front office don't have any type of patience for swing for the fences developmental players.


I don’t know if that’s fair. Most likely they want to win now and require players who are ready to contribute. But I expect to see young/project players getting drafted after the team is built to be sustainably good.

Counterpoint:

During the Thibs era in Chicago where they were "good" (2011-2015, so the 2011, 2012, 2013, and 2014 drafts), they took:

2011: Jimmy Butler (took a while to develop, but I wouldn't call him young or a "project," as he was 22 when he was drafted), traded their 28th pick for Nikola Mirotic. Arguably a "project" as he wouldn't come over for 3 more years

2012: Marquis Teague. Don't know if he was a "project" coming out, but he was 19 his rookie year

2013: Tony Snell. 22 year old role player

2014: This is my favorite, traded two picks that would become Jusuf Nurkic and Gary Harris for Doug McDermott. Pretty clearly two "project" guys for one older, "win-now" type player

So I'd say, charitably, maybe Thibs is 50/50 projects vs win-now type guys. Uncharitably, he took one project type guy when the Bulls were good, and that was his worst pick. But at the same time, Butler was an excellent pick, Mirotic was good value for trading a 28th pick for him, and while Nurkic and Harris are worth more than Doug, he's not a bad player either

I think, looking at this, plus taking Quick into account, Thibs has an above average track record when it comes to drafting in the back half of the first. Really only Teague was a major whiff, as Jokic, Draymond and Middleton were still available, and Snell over Gobert but other than that, not perfect, but serviceable. Definitely leans more towards older prospects, though, especially taking into account Dunn over Murray in Minny.
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Post#1759 » by Infinitimind » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:37 am

newyorker4ever wrote:
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DaGawd wrote:Image

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Giannis--pick #15
K.Middelton--pick #39
J.Holiday--pick #17

Pick #19 and #21 have value

We can’t event make use of lottery picks
8 Frank
9 knox
8 Obi 10 minutes a game

Please note I’m Not in favor of Collin sexton. Just making a point how we don’t develop players or value draft picks
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Post#1760 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:42 am

Infinitimind wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
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Giannis--pick #15
K.Middelton--pick #39
J.Holiday--pick #17

Pick #19 and #21 have value

We can’t event make use of lottery picks
8 Frank
9 knox
8 Obi 10 minutes a game

Please note I’m Not in favor of Collin sexton. Just making a point how we don’t develop players or value draft picks

We can't evaluate talent.

No developmental program was gonna prevent Frank or Knox being busts.

Obi is really about unfortunate circumstances (it's known the Knicks were trying to move Randle) but I think Obi's development has been steady under Thibs.

Not disagreeing with you though.

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