Vecenie: Suggs is the #2 prospect in this draft

[Indeed]

First you talk about SF as creators, now it's just guard skills. How Kevin Huerter fits into that is completely beyond me, I guess because he is a good shooter, same as Joe Ingles? If so, how did Gordon make it in then?

And players aren't SFs just because they're 6'6" or taller.

In this era, it will be your SF/PF with ball handling, finishing, passing, etc.
Eg. Leonard, LeBron, Giannis, etc.

Huerter - ball handling, passing, no?
Gordon - ball handling, finishing, no?
Ingles - ball handling, passing, no?

So what are these SF/PF with ball handling, finishing, passing, etc. if they are not SF?
Please keep in mind that you quote my definition, and now you are not accepting my definition when based on it?

At this point I have no idea what you're talking about. I think you tried to make some point about the future of the league being guys like LeBron/Kawhi/Giannis being the main offensive initiators on teams going forward and it got muddled. Like I don't know how Kevin Huerter and Aaron Gordon became part of the conversation.

The reality is that it is increasingly a guard driven league, it's the rise of Steph Curry ball. Small quick guards that exploit mismatches and punish slow footed bigs with dribble drives and shooting. The Nets playing Kevin Durant as a center because they need a big who can switch onto guards as an example.

It's relevant in this thread because this thread is about Suggs (a guard) being the #2 prospect.

If you don't understand, you don't have to respond in the first place and think people are wrong, no?

[TD2FutureStar]

I can't invision any scenario where Suggs doesn't become a good NBA player, but I can certainly see where it's possible he doesn't ever become a star. High floor type of player who I think will be a fringe all-star most of his career. I'll certainly take that all day.

[Yallbecrazy]

In my opinion, Cade, Suggs and Sengun will be best players from this draft, Suggs being the best.

It's a stacked draft, but I have Mobley #1, Sengun, #2, Suggs 3, Cade 4, Barnes #5

[Young_Buc]

I really need to see how this Sengun pans out. So many hardcore believers and I don't see it.

[ciueli]

If you don't understand, you don't have to respond in the first place and think people are wrong, no?

So no attempt to refute what I posted, just a because you have nothing useful to say.

Guys like LeBron, Giannis, Kawhi, and KD are great to have but they're rare and there are generally only a few of them in the league at a time. The NBA isn't about to become dominated by a bunch of do everything forwards, if anything it's looking like small quick guards that can break down defenses with shooting and drives are becoming even more important. The Raptors increasingly look out of place with only Pascal Siakam as a shot creator if Kyle Lowry leaves, that's why a guy like Suggs is necessary. Even with Kyle, shot creation has been difficult the past couple of seasons since Kawhi left.

[mrdressup]

We aren't getting Suggs at 4, that's for sure. We' re likely getting an athletic defender in Green, which is not that exciting if it happens.

[WigginsNation]

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We aren't getting Suggs at 4, that's for sure. We' re likely getting an athletic defender in Green, which is not that exciting if it happens.

We’re getting Green?!

[Caped Crusader]

We aren't getting Suggs at 4, that's for sure. We' re likely getting an athletic defender in Green, which is not that exciting if it happens.

How is Green not exciting? We should be happy we're drafting in the top 4 and honestly you choose whoever from the top 4 is left. That's pretty exciting to me but I guess there will always be fans that are just negative about anything and everything.

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[alan_156]

Green at 4 is a pipe dream, it seems more likely it'll go :

Cunningham
Green
Mobley
Suggs

[CanadaB-Ball]

If you don't understand, you don't have to respond in the first place and think people are wrong, no?

So no attempt to refute what I posted, just a because you have nothing useful to say.

Guys like LeBron, Giannis, Kawhi, and KD are great to have but they're rare and there are generally only a few of them in the league at a time. The NBA isn't about to become dominated by a bunch of do everything forwards, if anything it's looking like small quick guards that can break down defenses with shooting and drives are becoming even more important. The Raptors increasingly look out of place with only Pascal Siakam as a shot creator if Kyle Lowry leaves, that's why a guy like Suggs is necessary. Even with Kyle, shot creation has been difficult the past couple of seasons since Kawhi left.

I don’t see how Suggs helps with that, though. He does a lot of things well, but he’s not much of a shot creator.

[God Squad]

I think Suggs has become very underrated around draft circles.
"hE hAs A lOwEr CeIliNg"

[God Squad]

We aren't getting Suggs at 4, that's for sure. We' re likely getting an athletic defender in Green, which is not that exciting if it happens.

I didn't know Green was touted for his defense. smh

[Indeed]

If you don't understand, you don't have to respond in the first place and think people are wrong, no?

So no attempt to refute what I posted, just a because you have nothing useful to say.

Guys like LeBron, Giannis, Kawhi, and KD are great to have but they're rare and there are generally only a few of them in the league at a time. The NBA isn't about to become dominated by a bunch of do everything forwards, if anything it's looking like small quick guards that can break down defenses with shooting and drives are becoming even more important. The Raptors increasingly look out of place with only Pascal Siakam as a shot creator if Kyle Lowry leaves, that's why a guy like Suggs is necessary. Even with Kyle, shot creation has been difficult the past couple of seasons since Kawhi left.

I think it is the other way around, due to the rarity of the do it all forwards, teams are relying on small quick guards.

As for Siakam, he struggles to score, because he is not a 3 level scorer. Teams are giving him the mid-range, or even 3 point shooting, where he is not consistently making it. Same as OG, he is developing his handle to be a 3 level scorer. If we expect these to happen, I am not surprised we draft Barnes who also helps with ball handling and passing.

[Indeed]

If you don't understand, you don't have to respond in the first place and think people are wrong, no?

So no attempt to refute what I posted, just a because you have nothing useful to say.

Guys like LeBron, Giannis, Kawhi, and KD are great to have but they're rare and there are generally only a few of them in the league at a time. The NBA isn't about to become dominated by a bunch of do everything forwards, if anything it's looking like small quick guards that can break down defenses with shooting and drives are becoming even more important. The Raptors increasingly look out of place with only Pascal Siakam as a shot creator if Kyle Lowry leaves, that's why a guy like Suggs is necessary. Even with Kyle, shot creation has been difficult the past couple of seasons since Kawhi left.

I don’t see how Suggs helps with that, though. He does a lot of things well, but he’s not much of a shot creator.

Indeed, he is not a 3 level scorer yet, but close, I suppose. His scoring comes from transition.

[Morris_Shatford]

Suggs is safe;
I wouldn't be surprised if he had the longest career of anyone in this draft.

Is he the second best prospect in the draft?
Maybe, it depends what you value.

This is going to be a fun topic to revisit in January.

[StopitLeo]

Agreed. He has the potential to be really good but he can’t be the best player on a championship team.

Tony Parker is a hall of famer and was the best player on the 2007 championship spurs.

Yeah - I'd be ok with that.

In this era, it will be your SF/PF with ball handling, finishing, passing, etc.
Eg. Leonard, LeBron, Giannis, etc.

Exactly. You need a superstar on the wing. Building around a PG (unless he’s the best shooter ever) or big (like Mobely) won’t get a team to the top.

As for Parker, it’s debatable whether he was the best player on that 2007 team. He was also playing with two other future HOFers, one of whom is arguably the best PF of all time.

[Basketball_Jones]

I think with every top 5 there’s a Darko and a Melo. I think Suggs is the Melo.

[WaltFrazier]

Funny this thread is right next to the ESPN says Green a lock at #2 thread.

[OAKLEY_2]

In my opinion, Cade, Suggs and Sengun will be best players from this draft, Suggs being the best.

It's a stacked draft, but I have Mobley #1, Sengun, #2, Suggs 3, Cade 4, Barnes #5

Crack no good.

[Yallbecrazy]

In my opinion, Cade, Suggs and Sengun will be best players from this draft, Suggs being the best.

It's a stacked draft, but I have Mobley #1, Sengun, #2, Suggs 3, Cade 4, Barnes #5

Crack no good.

Thanks for judging before they've even played a game. I'm sure if someone put Giannis #1 in 2013 they would have been ridiculed.