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Re: 2021 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#201 » by payitforward » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:55 pm

FAH1223 wrote:SI mock has us taking

https://www.si.com/nba/2021/07/20/nba-mock-draft-cade-cunningham-evan-mobley-jalen-green



15. Wizards: Alperen Sengün, F/C, Besiktas (Turkey)

Height: 6' 10" | Weight: 240 | Age: 18 | Freshman

Sengün will make for one of the more fascinating case studies in this draft, with an impressive, outlier-type statistical profile after a dominant season in Turkey, but a post-up centric game that doesn’t necessarily vibe with the aesthetics of the modern NBA. He’s clearly a lottery-level talent, though not a fit for every team’s style of play. But a player with Sengün’s type of pedigree rarely falls too far in the draft, and while he may not hear his name called in the lottery, he shouldn’t fall too far into the teens. He’d be an intriguing option for the Wizards, who need help up front, are comfortable with international talent, and should be focused on adding the best available prospect here given the uncertainty surrounding the long-term fate of the roster.

If this mock were accurate, & if we were able to trade 15 for 19 & 32, then we could pick Murphy & Miles McBride. I think at least one of those 2 will wind up a very good player.

I also find it hard to imagine Joel Ayayi failing in the NBA. He put up numbers his Junior year that are off the charts for a guard. & his Sophomore numbers weren't a whole lot lower. I think he's going to be extremely good. I would buy a pick to get him.

Am I nuts? I've never seen a R2 like this. Here are the guys nbadraftroom projects from 41-50: Kessler Edwards, Charles Bassey, Neemias Queta, Herb Jones, Rokas Jakubaitas, Joel Ayayi, Ibou Badji, Brandon Boston, Jason Preston, & Amar Sylla. Some projects there, to be sure, but overall most of them are players I would usually expect to see mocked in R1.
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Re: 2021 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#202 » by nate33 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:05 pm

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Ruzious wrote:In this draft... I don't think you'll get a starter on day 1 outside of the top 4 picks.

I'm saying that there's a real chance that Cooper will never be a starter, or at least not a starter on a team that wins a playoff series.

Meanwhile, a guy like Butler or Springer may be underwhelming as a rookie, but I could see them continuing to get better and better until they are starting on a good playoff team.

The bottom line is that it's essentially a prerequisite to be 6-3 or taller, or extremely stout and strong, to hold your own defensively in the playoffs. If you're not a good defender, you better damn well be a superstar on offense, a guy so good that your team can afford to focus on finding plus defenders at the other 4 positions. I'm talking Curry/Nash/Young level good.

As opposed to Crosby Stills Nash & Young. :wink:

Honestly, that seems like an awfully random criteria, tbh. It also seems very premature to assume Cooper will never be a good defender.

Obviously, any prediction can be wrong.

But there aren't many successful 6-1 defenders in this league, except guys that have freakishly strong bases and long arms (Lowry, Chris Paul). Cooper has neither.

I don't think I'm saying anything controversial. Cooper is an exciting prospect with a high offensive upside. But he is likely to be a poor defender because most short, skinny players are. I personally think the defensive downside is enough to dissuade me from drafting him at #15. Too much has to go right to offset the likelihood that he will be hunted relentlessly in the playoffs.
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Post#203 » by nate33 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:09 pm

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Sengün will make for one of the more fascinating case studies in this draft, with an impressive, outlier-type statistical profile after a dominant season in Turkey, but a post-up centric game that doesn’t necessarily vibe with the aesthetics of the modern NBA. He’s clearly a lottery-level talent, though not a fit for every team’s style of play. But a player with Sengün’s type of pedigree rarely falls too far in the draft, and while he may not hear his name called in the lottery, he shouldn’t fall too far into the teens. He’d be an intriguing option for the Wizards, who need help up front, are comfortable with international talent, and should be focused on adding the best available prospect here given the uncertainty surrounding the long-term fate of the roster.

God I hate the shallow analysis that goes with any assessment of the Wizards.

The Wizards don't need much help up front. They have Gafford and Bryant at center, and Rui, Avdija and Bertans at PF. Meanwhile, they have no depth at all at either guard position, and no true SF's on the roster except Hutchison.

This analysis is up there with the analysis we always see about the Wizards being terrible at defense and needing defenders. No. The Wizards are terrible on offense, not defense.

(This isn't a shot at you PIF. You were just quoting the source.)
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Re: 2021 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#204 » by payitforward » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:16 pm

Ruzious wrote:...Interesting that Cooper recently said he's a legit 6'2. I would have guessed 6'. 6'2 makes him a significantly better prospect than 6'. How many major college freshman have averaged 8.1 assists per game AND 8.6 FTA's per game? That's almost exactly the same numbers that Trae Young averaged. Per 40, Cooper's FTA's and assists were actually slightly higher than Young's - though Young was obviously the better shooter of the 2. If Cooper develops a 3... he's a star. We've seen guys like LaMello Ball successfully change their shot mechanics in less than a year. Should we pick him if he's there at 15? As much as I've locked into the idea of trading down, we have to pick Cooper if he's there at 15. How many opportunities do you get to get a potential star at 15? Not many. We might luck into it with Cooper.

That makes it more important to buy a couple of 2nd round picks.

As you say, the only stand-out difference between them is shooting. It's a pretty big difference, however! Young shot the two better, & he shot FTs better. Plus he shot the 3 hugely better.

Of course, there's also a big difference between taking a guy at #5 & taking him at #15. There's a strong case to take him.... If we had those 2 high R2 picks it'd be stronger....
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Re: 2021 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#205 » by Ruzious » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:19 pm

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nate33 wrote:I'm saying that there's a real chance that Cooper will never be a starter, or at least not a starter on a team that wins a playoff series.

Meanwhile, a guy like Butler or Springer may be underwhelming as a rookie, but I could see them continuing to get better and better until they are starting on a good playoff team.

The bottom line is that it's essentially a prerequisite to be 6-3 or taller, or extremely stout and strong, to hold your own defensively in the playoffs. If you're not a good defender, you better damn well be a superstar on offense, a guy so good that your team can afford to focus on finding plus defenders at the other 4 positions. I'm talking Curry/Nash/Young level good.

As opposed to Crosby Stills Nash & Young. :wink:

Honestly, that seems like an awfully random criteria, tbh. It also seems very premature to assume Cooper will never be a good defender.

Obviously, any prediction can be wrong.

But there aren't many successful 6-1 defenders in this league, except guys that have freakishly strong bases and long arms (Lowry, Chris Paul). Cooper has neither.

I don't think I'm saying anything controversial. Cooper is an exciting prospect with a high offensive upside. But he is likely to be a poor defender because most short, skinny players are. I personally think the defensive downside is enough to dissuade me from drafting him at #15. Too much has to go right to offset the likelihood that he will be hunted relentlessly in the playoffs.

He pointedly denied being 6'1, so I'll take his word for it. So, he's not much different size-wise than Morant, and he doesn't seem like a player who shies away from contact - hence the extra high foul shot attempts. I think he has a higher upside than you do, but I get where you're coming from.
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Re: 2021 Draft Thread - Part II 

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Post#207 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:28 pm

I've seen a few.mocks where Kispert falling to 15. I mean he would fit very well with our team as is. Not saying I wanna take a 22 /23 year old in the draft but if he's there and sengun and some others aren't I say go for it.
Also do we want another euro big who can't shoot? Denis probably better right now so why? I don't like darute at 15. But some have moody falling to 15 too. I just hope we don't trade the pick for "imidiate help"

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Post#208 » by payitforward » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:47 pm

As with R2, the selection process for us at #15 is very unusual this year.

It would not be difficult to name a half dozen guys who might well be available & might well be a terrific pick at #15. Maybe even more than that. If that's a real fact, objective & not just me misleading myself, then the best thing to do, obviously, is to trade down. One or two of those guys will still be on the board, maybe more than that. Plus you get the extra pick from your trade.

Imagine that we did trade our #15 to NY for their #21 & #32. It's not unimaginable that we could go on to trade that #21 to the Nets for their #27, #44 & #49. I'm not suggesting would be altogether sensible, only using the scenario as a way to point to the very very talent-rich pool this draft presents.

Just using nbadraftroom's R1 & 2 mocks, those trades would leave us able to pick Trey Murphy, Joe Wieskamp, Joel Ayayi &... Jason Preston(?).
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Re: 2021 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#209 » by Ruzious » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:04 pm

payitforward wrote:As with R2, the selection process for us at #15 is very unusual this year.

It would not be difficult to name a half dozen guys who might well be available & might well be a terrific pick at #15. Maybe even more than that. If that's a real fact, objective & not just me misleading myself, then the best thing to do, obviously, is to trade down. One or two of those guys will still be on the board, maybe more than that. Plus you get the extra pick from your trade.

Imagine that we did trade our #15 to NY for their #21 & #32. It's not unimaginable that we could go on to trade that #21 to the Nets for their #27, #44 & #49. I'm not suggesting would be altogether sensible, only using the scenario as a way to point to the very very talent-rich pool this draft presents.

Just using nbadraftroom's R1 & 2 mocks, those trades would leave us able to pick Trey Murphy, Joe Wieskamp, Joel Ayayi &... Jason Preston(?).

Don't want to trade down to the 40's when you can buy those picks. And you (actually I) don't want to water the picks down that far. 21 and 32 is fine, and then buy a couple in the 40's.
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Post#210 » by Ruzious » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:07 pm

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Murphy is a lot like Cameron Johnson, imo. He won't be a star, but every team can use a player like that.
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Post#211 » by payitforward » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:27 pm

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payitforward wrote:As with R2, the selection process for us at #15 is very unusual this year.

It would not be difficult to name a half dozen guys who might well be available & might well be a terrific pick at #15. Maybe even more than that. If that's a real fact, objective & not just me misleading myself, then the best thing to do, obviously, is to trade down. One or two of those guys will still be on the board, maybe more than that. Plus you get the extra pick from your trade.

Imagine that we did trade our #15 to NY for their #21 & #32. It's not unimaginable that we could go on to trade that #21 to the Nets for their #27, #44 & #49. I'm not suggesting would be altogether sensible, only using the scenario as a way to point to the very very talent-rich pool this draft presents.

Just using nbadraftroom's R1 & 2 mocks, those trades would leave us able to pick Trey Murphy, Joe Wieskamp, Joel Ayayi &... Jason Preston(?).

Don't want to trade down to the 40's when you can buy those picks. And you (actually I) don't want to water the picks down that far. 21 and 32 is fine, and then buy a couple in the 40's.

Absolutely! Note I used the word "imagine." My point was only to illustrate the value that seems to be available in this draft.

In fact, I'm not sure we'd be able to buy picks in the 40's -- & who knows whether the trade down with the Knicks would even be available. Certainly worth trying. It would be sad not to come away with at least 2 rookies, although 3 would be even better.
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Post#212 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:52 pm

I'm getting strong MKG vibes from that garuba kid. The fact that his numbers got worse and not better in Europe bothers me. I just got a bad vibe about him.

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Post#213 » by Dat2U » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:16 am

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nate33 wrote:I'm saying that there's a real chance that Cooper will never be a starter, or at least not a starter on a team that wins a playoff series.

Meanwhile, a guy like Butler or Springer may be underwhelming as a rookie, but I could see them continuing to get better and better until they are starting on a good playoff team.

The bottom line is that it's essentially a prerequisite to be 6-3 or taller, or extremely stout and strong, to hold your own defensively in the playoffs. If you're not a good defender, you better damn well be a superstar on offense, a guy so good that your team can afford to focus on finding plus defenders at the other 4 positions. I'm talking Curry/Nash/Young level good.

As opposed to Crosby Stills Nash & Young. :wink:

Honestly, that seems like an awfully random criteria, tbh. It also seems very premature to assume Cooper will never be a good defender.

Obviously, any prediction can be wrong.

But there aren't many successful 6-1 defenders in this league, except guys that have freakishly strong bases and long arms (Lowry, Chris Paul). Cooper has neither.

I don't think I'm saying anything controversial. Cooper is an exciting prospect with a high offensive upside. But he is likely to be a poor defender because most short, skinny players are. I personally think the defensive downside is enough to dissuade me from drafting him at #15. Too much has to go right to offset the likelihood that he will be hunted relentlessly in the playoffs.


There's a heckuva lot of projection here. You can't hide a bad defensive C. Teams hide bad defensive players at other positions all the time. Same thing was said about Trae. Steph. CP3 is 6-0. This is not like Isaiah Thomas who was 5-9 and could barely move by the time he got to DC. But even IT could offset his bad defense by being an incredibly productive offensive player for a number of years until he got hurt.
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Post#214 » by Dat2U » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:19 am

gambitx777 wrote:I'm getting strong MKG vibes from that garuba kid. The fact that his numbers got worse and not better in Europe bothers me. I just got a bad vibe about him.

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The shot is not as broken as MKGs was and I think Garuba is a better athlete. That said I have concerns about drafting a non-threat offensively and would pass at 15 or in a trade down scenario.
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Post#215 » by gambitx777 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:38 am

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gambitx777 wrote:I'm getting strong MKG vibes from that garuba kid. The fact that his numbers got worse and not better in Europe bothers me. I just got a bad vibe about him.

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The shot is not as broken as MKGs was and I think Garuba is a better athlete. That said I have concerns about drafting a non-threat offensively and would pass at 15 or in a trade down scenario.
Yeah, I don't mind blowing second round picks on specialists. But burning a first on guys that can't play half the game bothers me.

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Post#216 » by prime1time » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:25 am

gambitx777 wrote:I'm getting strong MKG vibes from that garuba kid. The fact that his numbers got worse and not better in Europe bothers me. I just got a bad vibe about him.

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In one year Garuba made more 3's than MKG did his entire career. So already your comparison gives the impression that you are instead of actually trying to analyze the player you are just informing us of your own personal bias. In addition, what if Garuba showed growth as the season went on? For example in his 7 games in the playoffs Garuba averaged 36.8% from 3 on 2.7 3's a game, 88.9% from the ft line, 6.7 points and 5.6 rebounds. In addition, he played more minutes. Does Why is it that with college players we are quick to hold up what they did in the tournament but with Garuba we just discount everything? Ultimately, I guess what divides people on Garuba is if you see offensive potential.

At the very least you have to acknowledge that his improved shooting not just in the playoffs but also just from year one to year 2 make it a very likely possibility that he will become a good 3-point shooter. And if he can become that, what value does he have as a possible All-NBA defensive player that can knock down 3's. Post like yours, a sentiment shared by many NBA fans, is precisely why we will have an opportunity to draft Garuba. Because a player like Garuba doesn't exist in the NBA. Our mind short circuits. We try to use other players to develop a good comparison but we fail. Garuba is similar to MKG but he's also received professional coaching for years. Even if all Garuba does is play defense and knock down open 3's at a solid rate (something he did in the playoffs) that's good enough to be drafted at 15. And then, any offense he develops over the rest of his career is just surplus value.
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Post#217 » by prime1time » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:49 am

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gambitx777 wrote:I'm getting strong MKG vibes from that garuba kid. The fact that his numbers got worse and not better in Europe bothers me. I just got a bad vibe about him.

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The shot is not as broken as MKGs was and I think Garuba is a better athlete. That said I have concerns about drafting a non-threat offensively and would pass at 15 or in a trade down scenario.

Why is he a non-threat? He played on a better team in Euroleague than Avdija did - his team made the playoffs Avdija's didn't - and his offensive role grew down the stretch of the season. Just fascinating how narratives form about players. What's happening on this board with Garuba is that posters decide their opinion, and then they look at the player. When you talk about a "non-threat offensively" you are giving the impression that Garuba is Andre Roberson. When in actuality we should just say that we have no clue what Garuba could become offensively because we don't have any reference points for a guy like him. In his interview with Mike Schmit Garuba mentions that he feels comfortable leading the break. I've seen many plays where Garuba has broken down defenders closing him out. I've seen Garuba use his strength and post up smaller players. I've also seen Garuba blow past slow-footed centers.

Let's throw out his defense out of the window and only talk about his offense. There are two dualing narratives that we have to separate. The first is that Garuba is a non-entity offensively who will come in, play hard defensively but give us nothing offensively. What is this based on? My narrative is that Garuba is an athletic freak who at 18/19 was playing in the second best league in the world and had a role that arbitrarily constrained his offense. So now, fans run in watch some tape of Garuba and say he can only do x, y and z because that's all that he showed. Regardless of where he ends up, hopefully the team that drafts him attempts to develop his offense. His combination of foot speed and strength has the potential to make him a legitimate threat offensively not to mention that his shooting shows great promise.

The kid is 19 years old. Fascinating how so many people know without any doubt that he can develop offensively. If you don't thtink the Wizards can afford to let him develop offensively then say that. But then I'd point out that if all we got was playoff Garuba - knocking down open 3's at 36.8% and his ft's - we would be better in the present than if we drafted any other player. Ultimately, I think what hurts Garuba detractors is that the facts simply don't match up with the narrative they are trying to push.
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Post#218 » by nate33 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:32 pm

Dat2U wrote:There's a heckuva lot of projection here. You can't hide a bad defensive C. Teams hide bad defensive players at other positions all the time. Same thing was said about Trae. Steph. CP3 is 6-0. This is not like Isaiah Thomas who was 5-9 and could barely move by the time he got to DC. But even IT could offset his bad defense by being an incredibly productive offensive player for a number of years until he got hurt.

What part of draft evaluation doesn't involve a "heckuva lot of projection"? I've made my analysis. I stand by it. I could be wrong. So could you.

Regarding your comps, Steph had 4 elite defenders behind him because he was so good, he could make the offense work with only Klay as a 2nd option. He is also 6-3. CP3 has a 6-5 wingspan and is built like a fire hydrant. I think Trae is probably the best case scenario, and I'd certainly be happy if we drafted the next Trae Young at #15. However, Cooper doesn't shoot the ball like Trae so I'm not ready to assume he will have the same offensive impact.

Cooper looks like he could be the next Ja Morant offensively, so it's not like I'm dismissing him as a talent. The big difference is that Morant is 6-3 with a 6-7 wingspan, yet is still a liability defensively. Cooper is 6-1/6-1.
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Post#219 » by doclinkin » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:37 pm

ONE WEEK

I guess I'm confident there will be damn good players available at 15. And at least one of the players drafted late will outperform many of those taken 1-14. Of those likely to be available I can't decide who I want, above all others, which is why yeah of course I wish I had extra picks. Still, I get the sense teams all have similar mindset this year, and trades for picks will be hard to come by. Too, my impression with Tommy in particular is that his scouting mindset means he is more likely to fall in love with a guy and trade up than to swap for a couple guys lower down.

Of the guys I like, the ones I am certain will have a solid career (if health allows) and outplay their draft position:

Trey Murphy III. Though I expect he will be taken earlier.
Davion Mitchell (I get the sense there's a chance Mitchell falls. Too many people like too many talents lowerdown, a few talents will jump ahead, so some players will fall).
Jared Butler (smooth scorer, high profile).
Chris Duarte. (Solid 2nd tier scorer, highly efficient, good effort on defense).
Ayo Dosunmu. (I predict a long career, even as a journeyman, can play both ways, coaches favorite bench player on a winning team)
Joel Ayayi. (Ditto)
Queta. (More talented than where he is mocked, though he gained notice at the combine).
Weiskamp. (Sniper).

The ones that are tantalizing talents with significant upside:

Jaden Springer. (smooth, efficient, 2-way, upside)
Sharife Cooper. (wizard on the attack)
Ziaire Williams. (talented, suffered injury)
Filip Petrusev. (smooth athletic Big, developing outside-in game in an era that needs that, with that Serbian complete game)

What I predict will happen is that one of the higher rated prospects falls and Tommy will take him with no trade made.
One or more of the following guys will slide down relative to the pre-draft mocks, whether they make it to 15:

Scottie Barnes
Alperen Sengun
Jalen Johnson
Moses Moody
Franz Wagner
Corey Kispert
James Bouknight

all of the above have some question marks or flaws that make me shrug, not my favorites.
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Of the above players. If you forced me to pick one, *just ONE* available at 15. I think I would go with Jaden Springer.

His efficiency and defense are advanced to the point where I don't know why he is mocked so low. I suspect because his game isn't flashy, simply smooth. He is making the right decisions, not the crowd pleasing ones. Still, as one of the youngest players in the draft, that suggests to me his upside is serious and significant. He has a precociously complete game. The knock on him that he didn't shoot many 3's on volume until later in the season suggests intelligence more than lack of aggression: he won't force his game until he develops a comfort level. Also: he is still learning what he can do. Yes this risks him being an Otto Porter-esque efficiency all-star, a guy who reads as passive since he is passing up his own shot. But as a guy who was 17 when the school year started, and who ended up leading his team in all the per 40 or per possession metrics, I think he was simply filling his role next to the higher rated Keon Johnson. Too, if this team had an Otto Porter playing next to Russ, we would have had far fewer empty possessions, with a reliable outside gunner who knows how to be effective off the ball.

And his defense is notable for a young cat. He stays upright, keeps a wide base, does not get bumped off his spot, moves his feet to wall off penetration, makes steals when on the ball more than jumping a passing lane on a gamble. He does not look like the standard rookie defender risk to pick up fouls in high volume. And as a young cat you can full expect he is going to get stronger when in the weight room at the next level. He's so young that as a trainer I'd likely just work on core strength exercises for a while until I'm sure he's done growing. I used to sneer at the youth thing, but study after study popped up suggesting that the earlier a player produces, the higher their possible upside seems to be in terms of All-star games and All-NBA selections etc. So okay, I will listen.

In that respect, if I had to gamble on one player for both production and upside, the player who both produced efficiently on BOTH sides offense/defense, and who has room to grow in many ways, I'm thinking Springer is the one. Seems like a player who will both give solid production, not be benched for any particular glaring weakness, fit well next to ball handlers like Russ and Deni, and earn the live ball minutes he needs to fulfill his potential. This team does need an understudy for Beal, even if currently our two all star guards eat most of those minutes. We need a 6th man sub at guard who has the potential to take the starting role at some point in the future. I'd prefer a combo guard in that role, I guess, but one who can play early and has a ready-made role is key.

Am I willing to risk passing this one on a trade down? .......yyees.... I think I would be. I think so. I'd pick him over most of the guys that might slip to us from higher up, but if certain guys slip there will be teams that'll be eager to jump the line to pay for them. These teams might overlook Springer. Or if we select him, then there may be a team who wants to over pay for him. I'd lsiten.

Either way on a trade I feel confident we could plug holes with strong talent late draft while picking up future assets so that we don't have this one-pick dilemma in future years. The team has needs and holes to fill. This team and its late season run was built on one-year expiring vets that we don't have the $ to re-sign. We have traded away future picks on a team that will need to re-tool at least once more in the next few years even if Beal re-inks with us. Our cupboard is bare. I think some package of:

Duarte + ... (Ayo, Queta, Weiskamp, current player, future picks, etc)
Trey Murphy +...
Jared Butler +...

will give us more production long term in wins per dollar/minutes played over any one particular player. Even a smoothly precocious one with untold upside.
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Re: 2021 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#220 » by doclinkin » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:38 pm

Either way if we can siphon a late pick somehow, I still am I'm stubbornly certain that, if healthy, Neemias Queta will outplay, say, Evan Mobley early in their careers. I personally think in the East, with giants like Giannis and Embiid, any team needs multiple 5's that can play large, fill space, black shots, deter drives to the paint, make smart reads on defensive positioning, rebound, foul hard. And if they can also make the smart pass, they will find minutes even in an era when small ball is a threat. I think Queta sees the floor well and will look far better when he has NBA caliber talent to pass to. His steadily increasing FT % is a signal that this is a player who will put in the work. Yeah I don't like the mechanics of his knockneed stance, seems a risk for ACL tweaks, but he is the longest and tallest player in the draft. It is rare that you get a true big with a high motor who also understands positioning and team spacing. That soccer mindset of understanding what lanes are open when some get cut off, works on both offense and defense. To my read, Queta has it. Here he is at the combine:

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