Going forward to next season and beyond

[ecuhus1981]

Nicolas has a better 3-week stretch of efficient, winning basketball than any player in his draft outside of the top 4 picks. That being said, he's also had very ordinary stretches of play for a 2nd rounder. I'll be thrilled IF he puts it all together, but I'm losing faith that Nash will ever play him enough to teach his ultimate potential. The right answer should be to cut ties with the middling coach and keep the C prospect with switchable All-Defense potential. But, if Marks has to choose, I'll bet he keeps Steve.

All that to say, this affects his value. He looked out of sorts after his COVID quarantine, and then fell almost completely out of the postseason rotation despite us clearly needing size. Nash tanked his confidence and his asset value. Prok is right, some other prospects in his class have had longer stretches of solid play, that put them squarely ahead of Nic, at least until he earns a large, consistent role to prove he's more than a flash in the pan.

[DarkXaero]

@Prokorov

Why am I being accused of using just opinion and ignoring statistics for Claxton? The argument is supported by statistics/facts, I just didn't feel the need to post them because I had assumed you already saw them. But I should know better because you love to play dumb in arguments when it doesn't fit your agenda/argument.

"Offensive liability","a near zero on offense", Nic Claxton had a TS% of 61.2% this year with an Ortg of 124 (Ortg a garbage stat really but I have to bring up if you're gonna pretend to use Drtg seriously). He had a PER of 16.2 indicating good statistical productivity on the court and his PER 36 scoring has been in double digits in both of his seasons, indicating that he manages to find ways to score when he's on the floor.

"While the Nets finished the season 22nd in defensive rating (113.1), they allowed just 102.1 points per 100 possessions while Claxton was on the court and 114.6 when he was off."

According to CTG, his points per shot attempt is in top 25% percentile. B-ball index's Defensive-LEBRON metric has Claxton ranked as 7th in the entire league, and overall a big positive impact player.

https://www.bball-index.com/2020-21-lebron-data/

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4602/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

Ranked 2nd in the league in contested 3pt attempts (and excellent overall stats in other areas given minutes played):

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateTo=4%2F8%2F21&PerMode=Per36&CF=MIN*GE*358&sort=CONTESTED_SHOTS_3PT&dir=1&PlayerPosition=C

Detailed Synergy stats/rank breakdown of Claxton's defense by play type:




Lastly, you're shifting the goalposts again to suit your agenda. "Look at how Marks/Nash talk about Reggie Perry". What are you talking about? I bring up a behind the PR/scenes report by a reputable NBA reporter and that's your response? If I wanted to bring up PR direct quotes from FO about their players, I'd look incredibly stupid. Also pretending to get upset over PJ Washington criticism is hilarious when PJ Washington ranks as a negative offensive player by every metric out there and happens to be two years older than Claxton Coby White has "high bball IQ" I can keep going on and on about how wrong you are but there's no real point to this. You're stubborn and incredibly hard to reason with, so you'll stick to your position, and this is all just a gigantic waste of time again arguing with you.

[MrDollarBills]

@Prokorov

Why am I being accused of using just opinion and ignoring statistics for Claxton? The argument is supported by statistics/facts, I just didn't feel the need to post them because I had assumed you already saw them. But I should know better because you love to play dumb in arguments when it doesn't fit your agenda/argument.

"Offensive liability","a near zero on offense", Nic Claxton had a TS% of 61.2% this year with an Ortg of 124 (Ortg a garbage stat really but I have to bring up if you're gonna pretend to use Drtg seriously). He had a PER of 16.2 indicating good statistical productivity on the court and his PER 36 scoring has been in double digits in both of his seasons, indicating that he manages to find ways to score when he's on the floor.

"While the Nets finished the season 22nd in defensive rating (113.1), they allowed just 102.1 points per 100 possessions while Claxton was on the court and 114.6 when he was off."

According to CTG, his points per shot attempt is in top 25% percentile. B-ball index's Defensive-LEBRON metric has Claxton ranked as 7th in the entire league, and overall a big positive impact player.

https://www.bball-index.com/2020-21-lebron-data/

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4602/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

Ranked 2nd in the league in contested 3pt attempts (and excellent overall stats in other areas given minutes played):

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateTo=4%2F8%2F21&PerMode=Per36&CF=MIN*GE*358&sort=CONTESTED_SHOTS_3PT&dir=1&PlayerPosition=C

Detailed Synergy stats/rank breakdown of Claxton's defense by play type:




Lastly, you're shifting the goalposts again to suit your agenda. "Look at how Marks/Nash talk about Reggie Perry". What are you talking about? I bring up a behind the PR/scenes report by a reputable NBA reporter and that's your response? If I wanted to bring up PR direct quotes from FO about their players, I'd look incredibly stupid. Also pretending to get upset over PJ Washington criticism is hilarious when PJ Washington ranks as a negative offensive player by every metric out there and happens to be two years older than Claxton Coby White has "high bball IQ" I can keep going on and on about how wrong you are but there's no real point to this. You're stubborn and incredibly hard to reason with, so you'll stick to your position, and this is all just a gigantic waste of time again arguing with you.

Not having Harden at 100% also hurt Claxton offensively towards the tail end of the regular season and 2nd round because Harden was elite at setting up guys up, whereas Kyrie and KD weren't.

I don't think there's any real argument as to why Marks views Claxton as a must hold piece for a team with three superstar talents. He doesn't require the ball to be effective, he's solid defensively/excellent on switches and as he gets stronger i think we'll see a stronger impact on the boards.

Now, me personally, I thought we should have put the kid in there versus Giannis and let him earn his lumps, but Nash wanted to play 5 out and or go with veterans in a high intensity playoff situation. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with that decision. But that's not an indictment on Claxton.

He is going to be a huge piece of this team and is going to yield a solid ROI just by having Harden and the boys in his ear and on the floor with him.

[3pt_chucker]

@Prokorov

Why am I being accused of using just opinion and ignoring statistics for Claxton? The argument is supported by statistics/facts, I just didn't feel the need to post them because I had assumed you already saw them. But I should know better because you love to play dumb in arguments when it doesn't fit your agenda/argument.

"Offensive liability","a near zero on offense", Nic Claxton had a TS% of 61.2% this year with an Ortg of 124 (Ortg a garbage stat really but I have to bring up if you're gonna pretend to use Drtg seriously). He had a PER of 16.2 indicating good statistical productivity on the court and his PER 36 scoring has been in double digits in both of his seasons, indicating that he manages to find ways to score when he's on the floor.

"While the Nets finished the season 22nd in defensive rating (113.1), they allowed just 102.1 points per 100 possessions while Claxton was on the court and 114.6 when he was off."

According to CTG, his points per shot attempt is in top 25% percentile. B-ball index's Defensive-LEBRON metric has Claxton ranked as 7th in the entire league, and overall a big positive impact player.

https://www.bball-index.com/2020-21-lebron-data/

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4602/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

Ranked 2nd in the league in contested 3pt attempts (and excellent overall stats in other areas given minutes played):

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateTo=4%2F8%2F21&PerMode=Per36&CF=MIN*GE*358&sort=CONTESTED_SHOTS_3PT&dir=1&PlayerPosition=C

Detailed Synergy stats/rank breakdown of Claxton's defense by play type:




Lastly, you're shifting the goalposts again to suit your agenda. "Look at how Marks/Nash talk about Reggie Perry". What are you talking about? I bring up a behind the PR/scenes report by a reputable NBA reporter and that's your response? If I wanted to bring up PR direct quotes from FO about their players, I'd look incredibly stupid. Also pretending to get upset over PJ Washington criticism is hilarious when PJ Washington ranks as a negative offensive player by every metric out there and happens to be two years older than Claxton Coby White has "high bball IQ" I can keep going on and on about how wrong you are but there's no real point to this. You're stubborn and incredibly hard to reason with, so you'll stick to your position, and this is all just a gigantic waste of time again arguing with you.

Great post and thanks for the stats(was going to lock this up myself but have been busy)

[Prokorov]

@Prokorov

Why am I being accused of using just opinion and ignoring statistics for Claxton? The argument is supported by statistics/facts, I just didn't feel the need to post them because I had assumed you already saw them. But I should know better because you love to play dumb in arguments when it doesn't fit your agenda/argument.

"Offensive liability","a near zero on offense", Nic Claxton had a TS% of 61.2% this year with an Ortg of 124 (Ortg a garbage stat really but I have to bring up if you're gonna pretend to use Drtg seriously). He had a PER of 16.2 indicating good statistical productivity on the court and his PER 36 scoring has been in double digits in both of his seasons, indicating that he manages to find ways to score when he's on the floor.

"While the Nets finished the season 22nd in defensive rating (113.1), they allowed just 102.1 points per 100 possessions while Claxton was on the court and 114.6 when he was off."

According to CTG, his points per shot attempt is in top 25% percentile. B-ball index's Defensive-LEBRON metric has Claxton ranked as 7th in the entire league, and overall a big positive impact player.

https://www.bball-index.com/2020-21-lebron-data/

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4602/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

Ranked 2nd in the league in contested 3pt attempts (and excellent overall stats in other areas given minutes played):

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateTo=4%2F8%2F21&PerMode=Per36&CF=MIN*GE*358&sort=CONTESTED_SHOTS_3PT&dir=1&PlayerPosition=C

Detailed Synergy stats/rank breakdown of Claxton's defense by play type:




Lastly, you're shifting the goalposts again to suit your agenda. "Look at how Marks/Nash talk about Reggie Perry". What are you talking about? I bring up a behind the PR/scenes report by a reputable NBA reporter and that's your response? If I wanted to bring up PR direct quotes from FO about their players, I'd look incredibly stupid. Also pretending to get upset over PJ Washington criticism is hilarious when PJ Washington ranks as a negative offensive player by every metric out there and happens to be two years older than Claxton Coby White has "high bball IQ" I can keep going on and on about how wrong you are but there's no real point to this. You're stubborn and incredibly hard to reason with, so you'll stick to your position, and this is all just a gigantic waste of time again arguing with you.

I applaud the effort, but take major offense to your argument of him on offense.

TS% for a center who barely shoots with a large percentage of those dunks, is mostly irrelevant. For Comparison, Deandre Jordan had a 73.6 TS%, on the same team.

"points per36 being in double digits" is more of what im talking about as far as not holding claxton to the same standard. there are alot of guys whose names i listed who ACTUALLY averaged double digits... and on top of that did it in LESS then 36 minutes.

There is no argument that claxton was not awful offensively this year. ESPECIALLY by the standards you are holding others too

Saying his Ortg looks good on a team with the best ortg of all time is a bit skewed, by you admitted thats a weak one

I love his D. never knocked it. i pointed out centers lack value and one-way big defenders who dont rebound good/great lack value. especiall if they cant shoot

[haosmoove]

@Prokorov

Why am I being accused of using just opinion and ignoring statistics for Claxton? The argument is supported by statistics/facts, I just didn't feel the need to post them because I had assumed you already saw them. But I should know better because you love to play dumb in arguments when it doesn't fit your agenda/argument.

"Offensive liability","a near zero on offense", Nic Claxton had a TS% of 61.2% this year with an Ortg of 124 (Ortg a garbage stat really but I have to bring up if you're gonna pretend to use Drtg seriously). He had a PER of 16.2 indicating good statistical productivity on the court and his PER 36 scoring has been in double digits in both of his seasons, indicating that he manages to find ways to score when he's on the floor.

"While the Nets finished the season 22nd in defensive rating (113.1), they allowed just 102.1 points per 100 possessions while Claxton was on the court and 114.6 when he was off."

According to CTG, his points per shot attempt is in top 25% percentile. B-ball index's Defensive-LEBRON metric has Claxton ranked as 7th in the entire league, and overall a big positive impact player.

https://www.bball-index.com/2020-21-lebron-data/

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4602/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

Ranked 2nd in the league in contested 3pt attempts (and excellent overall stats in other areas given minutes played):

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateTo=4%2F8%2F21&PerMode=Per36&CF=MIN*GE*358&sort=CONTESTED_SHOTS_3PT&dir=1&PlayerPosition=C

Detailed Synergy stats/rank breakdown of Claxton's defense by play type:




Lastly, you're shifting the goalposts again to suit your agenda. "Look at how Marks/Nash talk about Reggie Perry". What are you talking about? I bring up a behind the PR/scenes report by a reputable NBA reporter and that's your response? If I wanted to bring up PR direct quotes from FO about their players, I'd look incredibly stupid. Also pretending to get upset over PJ Washington criticism is hilarious when PJ Washington ranks as a negative offensive player by every metric out there and happens to be two years older than Claxton Coby White has "high bball IQ" I can keep going on and on about how wrong you are but there's no real point to this. You're stubborn and incredibly hard to reason with, so you'll stick to your position, and this is all just a gigantic waste of time again arguing with you.

Nice research, I have to admit I was probably too low on him. That being said, I am still going caveat his stats.

Keep in mind that Claxton played <20MPG. I don't think it's appropriate to extrapolate his per possession stats, as great as his defensive stats look. At the end of the day, we know that he played most of his minutes against backups and in ideal matchups. We don't know (not to say it's definitely not possible) that he will be able to post similar stats when playing against starters and in less ideal matchups.

Claxton played most of his season coming back from lower body injury. As experience told us, many players don't recover their top form months after they get back to game action. This gives me hope that he is better than he looked. In addition, a summer of working on his skills will set him up for that third year leap.