Fantasy Trade Thread

[76ciology]

Dame to Philly is not a pipe dream.

1.) Value wise, it’s not impossible that Ben will decline and Dame will improve to that point that their gap widens. It’s likely that Dame will drop and Ben stays flat or improve that the gap should be closer
2.) if Blazers want assets, we can find a 3rd or maybe 4th team and make it a larger trade involving Maxey, Thybulle and Tobi. It doesnt have to be a straight up Ben for Dame trade.
3.)looking at cycles, blazers is maxed out. There’s no place to go but down. So rebuilding is not necessarily a bad option for them.

P.S. they f’d up when they traded for Roco.

Just saw a report on Blazersedge that Pleicans and Blazers have engaged and Pelicans are willing to do Ingram plus picks... That makes things much harder for Philly IMO... I believe that Ingram>>Simmons and Pelicans have a lot of picks. Ingram and Picks is probably vastly more interesting then most 76ers packages depending on amount of picks.

True.

But easier than PTB being irrational and saying Dame is not available and Blazers is looking to continue winning with dame.

[Roy The Natural]

Dame to Philly is not a pipe dream.

1.) Value wise, it’s not impossible that Ben will decline and Dame will improve to that point that their gap widens. It’s likely that Dame will drop and Ben stays flat or improve that the gap should be closer
2.) if Blazers want assets, we can find a 3rd or maybe 4th team and make it a larger trade involving Maxey, Thybulle and Tobi. It doesnt have to be a straight up Ben for Dame trade.
3.)looking at cycles, blazers is maxed out. There’s no place to go but down. So rebuilding is not necessarily a bad option for them.

P.S. they f’d up when they traded for Roco.

Just saw a report on Blazersedge that Pleicans and Blazers have engaged and Pelicans are willing to do Ingram plus picks... That makes things much harder for Philly IMO... I believe that Ingram>>Simmons and Pelicans have a lot of picks. Ingram and Picks is probably vastly more interesting then most 76ers packages depending on amount of picks.

True.

But easier than PTB being irrational and saying Dame is not available and Blazers is looking to continue winning with dame.

I think winning with Dame is clearly option A for Portland. But if they can't, I still see the 76ers on the outside looking in from Portland's prospective. 76ers have very little that's appealing for a rebuild.

[DCasey91]

Oh god yes Ingram FTW! Wait it’s for the Blazers? Damn got my hopes up. Makes sense Ingram is on the outer and for sure the better prospect/package

Blows us out of the water.

[76ciology]

Just saw a report on Blazersedge that Pleicans and Blazers have engaged and Pelicans are willing to do Ingram plus picks... That makes things much harder for Philly IMO... I believe that Ingram>>Simmons and Pelicans have a lot of picks. Ingram and Picks is probably vastly more interesting then most 76ers packages depending on amount of picks.

True.

But easier than PTB being irrational and saying Dame is not available and Blazers is looking to continue winning with dame.

I think winning with Dame is clearly option A for Portland. But if they can't, I still see the 76ers on the outside looking in from Portland's prospective. 76ers have very little that's appealing for a rebuild.

I dont know what the Pels can offer.

But Sixers can match it if they want to and Im not saying we will do it

For instance..

Cavs: Tobias Harris and Thybulle
Kings: Ben Simmons and Sexton
OKC: Maxey
SA: Paul Reed
Sixers: Dame and Love

Blazers:
DeAaron Fox
Marvin Bagley
2021 6th pick OKC
2021 9th pick Kings
2021 12th pick SAS
2021 28th pick Sixers
2022 pick swap with Sixers
2023 Sixers first round pick



If you dont like that, You dont like NBA basketball

If you dont like that, I can even include the Wolves and get you Anthony Edwards

[Roy The Natural]

True.

But easier than PTB being irrational and saying Dame is not available and Blazers is looking to continue winning with dame.

I think winning with Dame is clearly option A for Portland. But if they can't, I still see the 76ers on the outside looking in from Portland's prospective. 76ers have very little that's appealing for a rebuild.

I dont know what the Pels can offer.

But Sixers can match it if they want to and Im not saying we will do it

For instance..

Cavs: Tobias Harris and Thybulle
Kings: Ben Simmons and Sexton
OKC: Maxey
SA: Paul Reed

Blazers:
DeAaron Fox
Marvin Bagley
2021 6th pick OKC
2021 9th pick Kings
2021 12th pick SAS
2022 pick swap with Sixers
2023 Sixers first round pick

There's a lot of moving parts in there and questionable accepts from other teams... However, yes... If Philly can get a bunch of other teams to give up big value for their stuff then obviously they can compete. However, the more help you need to complete a trader the more dubious the outlook becomes.

[76ciology]

I think winning with Dame is clearly option A for Portland. But if they can't, I still see the 76ers on the outside looking in from Portland's prospective. 76ers have very little that's appealing for a rebuild.

I dont know what the Pels can offer.

But Sixers can match it if they want to and Im not saying we will do it

For instance..

Cavs: Tobias Harris and Thybulle
Kings: Ben Simmons and Sexton
OKC: Maxey
SA: Paul Reed

Blazers:
DeAaron Fox
Marvin Bagley
2021 6th pick OKC
2021 9th pick Kings
2021 12th pick SAS
2022 pick swap with Sixers
2023 Sixers first round pick

There's a lot of moving parts in there and questionable accepts from other teams... However, yes... If Philly can get a bunch of other teams to give up big value for their stuff then obviously they can compete. However, the more help you need to complete a trader the more dubious the outlook becomes.

Bro we have the most expensive GM in the league. If his job is just to get George Hill and Danny Green. Somebody better fire him

But seriously, im just saying its a possibility. And if Dame is available, Sixers want to get Dame, they will get Dame. Its just a matter of how much they want him.

Pels wont match that because they are not in “win now” mode.

[yuuby]

I dont know what the Pels can offer.

But Sixers can match it if they want to and Im not saying we will do it

For instance..

Cavs: Tobias Harris and Thybulle
Kings: Ben Simmons and Sexton
OKC: Maxey
SA: Paul Reed

Blazers:
DeAaron Fox
Marvin Bagley
2021 6th pick OKC
2021 9th pick Kings
2021 12th pick SAS
2022 pick swap with Sixers
2023 Sixers first round pick

There's a lot of moving parts in there and questionable accepts from other teams... However, yes... If Philly can get a bunch of other teams to give up big value for their stuff then obviously they can compete. However, the more help you need to complete a trader the more dubious the outlook becomes.

Bro we have the most expensive GM in the league. If his job is just to get George Hill and Danny Green. Somebody better fire him

But seriously, im just saying its a possibility. And if Dame is available, Sixers want to get Dame, they will get Dame. Its just a matter of how much they want him.

Pels wont match that because they are not in “win now” mode.

This is a very bold proclomation. Is Simmons even a positive contract at this point?

Pelicans are in win now mode. Zion and his parents are already causing issues with the franchise and they want some trades.

If they want Dame their offer will easily top ours and they will still have assets left to improve.

[Roy The Natural]

I dont know what the Pels can offer.

But Sixers can match it if they want to and Im not saying we will do it

For instance..

Cavs: Tobias Harris and Thybulle
Kings: Ben Simmons and Sexton
OKC: Maxey
SA: Paul Reed

Blazers:
DeAaron Fox
Marvin Bagley
2021 6th pick OKC
2021 9th pick Kings
2021 12th pick SAS
2022 pick swap with Sixers
2023 Sixers first round pick

There's a lot of moving parts in there and questionable accepts from other teams... However, yes... If Philly can get a bunch of other teams to give up big value for their stuff then obviously they can compete. However, the more help you need to complete a trader the more dubious the outlook becomes.

Bro we have the most expensive GM in the league. If his job is just to get George Hill and Danny Green. Somebody better fire him

But seriously, im just saying its a possibility. And if Dame is available, Sixers want to get Dame, they will get Dame. Its just a matter of how much they want him.

Pels wont match that because they are not in “win now” mode.

I mean it's.mostly hinging on 2 of the 3 top 12 picks there.

Pelicans are basically saying Ingram+#10+ a bunch of future 1sts.

Ingram>Fox... #10 is basically = to #9. Bagley is worthless. So #6 and #12 or your differentiators here. You're trade scenario here from an outsiders perspective does not seem to add up.

It says Maxey is going to OKC and returning the 6th pick... That's absurdly laughable as is Paul Reed acquiring the 12th pick. Not sure why the Cavs want Tobias....

Like I said, if you can trade at massive deficits fleecing a myriad of teams along the way to get the value to compete with a potential Pels offer then yea... I'm sure you can compete. But percentages are multiplicative. Taking a bunch of 5% chance deals and throwing them together in a competitive package doesn't sound like a legitimate shot.

[76ciology]

There's a lot of moving parts in there and questionable accepts from other teams... However, yes... If Philly can get a bunch of other teams to give up big value for their stuff then obviously they can compete. However, the more help you need to complete a trader the more dubious the outlook becomes.

Bro we have the most expensive GM in the league. If his job is just to get George Hill and Danny Green. Somebody better fire him

But seriously, im just saying its a possibility. And if Dame is available, Sixers want to get Dame, they will get Dame. Its just a matter of how much they want him.

Pels wont match that because they are not in “win now” mode.

This is a very bold proclomation. Is Simmons even a positive contract at this point?

Pelicans are in win now mode. Zion and his parents are already causing issues with the franchise and they want some trades.

If they want Dame their offer will easily top ours and they will still have assets left to improve.

Yes I do see Ben as a positive contract and a positive player.

Because I think people around the league who knows basketball knows Ben is much better than he is with a new environment. This is why teams are looking to trade for him. What you’re getting now is just the usual initial low ball offerings.

Then I still dont see the Pels being in win now mode. If they are, then they are not in Sixers level of win now mode.

Im just saying, Sixers has a chance. And the biggest hurdle is not the Pels but the Blazers controlling the availability of Dame.

Just think about it, Morey is smarter than me and yet I could come up with this kind of trades that makes you consider a Ben for Dame trade.

[76ciology]

Replace Giannis with 2019-2020 Ben, and the Bucks would beat the Hawks.

And that is despite the Bucks not having any guys who is better than Embiid to play with Ben.

If Sixers have Trae Young and Al Horford instead of Seth Curry and Embiid, Sixers may have also beaten the Hawks with another Trae Young.

[yuuby]

If my aunt had a ***** she'd be my uncle.

We can talk about if's all day.

The reality is our offense looked better with TJ running PG in 2018 playoffs despite Ben being staggered with Embiid and playing in 5 out lineups against Boston.

Our offense looked better again with Jimmy running PG in 2019 playoffs but he had to be shipped away since he hurt Ben's feelings.

Our offense looked better once again with Simmons on the bench in 2021 playoffs.

The reality is Simmons is one of the most easily scouted players in the league. With a few adjustments any decently talented team will take him out of the game.

Simmons is currently making ~33-37 mil per year for the rest of his contract and he doesn't produce at that level using any objective stat based argument.

So yes I continue to believe Simmons is a negative contract. The good thing is we will get the answer very soon on how GM's see Simmons because Morey will ship him by draft night.

If the offer for Simmons is better than CJ McCollum or Brogdon + pick then you Simmons believers were right.

Siakam is a bootleg version of Giannis. Simmons is a bootleg version of Draymond Green.

[yuuby]

Replace Giannis with 2019-2020 Ben, and the Bucks would beat the Hawks.

And that is despite the Bucks not having any guys who is better than Embiid to play with Ben.

If Sixers have Trae Young and Al Horford instead of Seth Curry and Embiid, Sixers may have also beaten the Hawks with another Trae Young.

Replace Giannis with Simmons and they get swept by the Heat in the first round.

[76ciology]

If my aunt had a ***** she'd be my uncle.

Ok. You win

[76ciology]

Read on Twitter

I dont know which thread. But I threw out the idea of getting Bullock. And its a move you do AFTER you trade Ben.

[yuuby]

Elton Brand wouldnt have been afraid to "overpay" for Lowry and Harden.

Morey needs to learn a thing or two from Brand.

[Kobblehead]

What are you doing, Daryl....

Bullock, really?

[DCasey91]

Lol around in circles we go wooooooooooooooooo

[DCasey91]

Morey get on the phone with the Pelicans and Kings right this very second.

Buy low (Ingram).

Ask the two other parties what they want.

Easy get the deal done. Picks, extra players whatever.

We don’t want to see Ben and Harris in a 76ers jersey come preseason.

[phillynative]

What are you doing, Daryl....

Bullock, really?

Wouldn't he just be Danny greens replacement?

[the_process]

Kings want to dump Hield and move 9 for win now players.

That sounds like a Tobias deal to me. Barnes is an ideal Tobias replacement, as well.

Wonder if you could could just one stop shop? Ben and Tobias for Fox, Hield, and Barnes? Add picks as needed, maybe a third team to take Hield.