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[Context]

Ego=to Context being very happy...carry on...

[Buzzard]

I mean you could've had 6 and Reddish...

Not quite enough. I like Killian, Okongwu, and Bey more. Like I said, Okongwu and Bey were two of my favorite players in last years draft. Killian, Goga, and 17 was icing on the cake.

Haha, I'm not mad about it. We all have a direction we want to build our teams, so I won't argue with anyone's direction.

I agree. That Lakers offer came out of nowhere. It was completely unexpected. I read over it and asked that I be able to add Mfiondu Kabengele to it for roster/cap reasons. Then it was done.

[3toheadmelo]

I do agree Sacramento is a mess in general. They have Fox and Haliburton there is no way they shouldn't at least be a competitive team moving forward. Walton is a great coach either.

But I am a believer you either have defensive instincts as a player or you don't. Maybe someone can hide bagley more but for every one decent clip you can find I'm sure I can find 50 that show him completly loss on the defensive end. I do think he has more offensive potential then he has shown in SAC though.

I disagree. We saw Ayton come into the league with very little defensive instincts on defense and now he is one of the best big men defenders. Even randle made big strides this year. Coaching matters in my opinion.

Ayton was a fine defender in college he just needed some development first year in the NBA. A lot of young bigs need time to develop. But it's not like he didn't have that skillset in his bag. Coaching is on obviously very helpful but defense is reactionary and awareness when other skills can be developed through reps.

For example I dont think anyone thought Ayton on his college scouting report was going to be a liability defensively. Those were concerns for Bagley from the get go. Tweener, can he defend the rim enough to play then 5? Is he mobile enough to guard current NBA 4's that play on the perimeter.

That was actually the biggest knock on his game, his defense. The majority of scouting reports thought he was going to be a major liability despite having the tools to be a great defender. He never knew when to help on defense, did not know how to go vertical without fouling.. etc. His iq was piss poor.

Of course Bagley is a bigger question mark than Ayton cause of his size.. but I go back to the Randle comparison. They are like the same size and Randle became a decent defender under Thibs. I definitely think Bagley can be the same way imo.

[mpharris36]

Not quite enough. I like Killian, Okongwu, and Bey more. Like I said, Okongwu and Bey were two of my favorite players in last years draft. Killian, Goga, and 17 was icing on the cake.

Haha, I'm not mad about it. We all have a direction we want to build our teams, so I won't argue with anyone's direction.

I agree. That Lakers offer came out of nowhere. It was completely unexpected. I read over it and asked that I be able to add Mfiondu Kabengele to it for roster/cap reasons. Then it was done.

A lot of big moves happen like that. Sometimes you can spend hours with something and just try to make it work but then someone that makes sense comes together in a couple PM's.

[mpharris36]

I disagree. We saw Ayton come into the league with very little defensive instincts on defense and now he is one of the best big men defenders. Even randle made big strides this year. Coaching matters in my opinion.

Ayton was a fine defender in college he just needed some development first year in the NBA. A lot of young bigs need time to develop. But it's not like he didn't have that skillset in his bag. Coaching is on obviously very helpful but defense is reactionary and awareness when other skills can be developed through reps.

For example I dont think anyone thought Ayton on his college scouting report was going to be a liability defensively. Those were concerns for Bagley from the get go. Tweener, can he defend the rim enough to play then 5? Is he mobile enough to guard current NBA 4's that play on the perimeter.

That was actually the biggest knock on his game, his defense. The majority of scouting reports thought he was going to be a major liability despite having the tools to be a great defender. He never knew when to help on defense, did not know how to go vertical without fouling.. etc. His iq was piss poor.

Of course Bagley is a bigger question mark than Ayton cause of his size.. but I go back to the Randle comparison. They are like the same size and Randle became a decent defender under Thibs. I definitely think Bagley can be the same way imo.

I think Randle moves much more fluidly especially with his feet than Begley. Begley is more plotting with his feet. I really thought Begley chance was to get bigger and play as a small ball 5. I just never really bought into him as a 4 in today's NBA.

But who knows I think we all agree a change of scenery is needed.

[3toheadmelo]

Ayton was a fine defender in college he just needed some development first year in the NBA. A lot of young bigs need time to develop. But it's not like he didn't have that skillset in his bag. Coaching is on obviously very helpful but defense is reactionary and awareness when other skills can be developed through reps.

For example I dont think anyone thought Ayton on his college scouting report was going to be a liability defensively. Those were concerns for Bagley from the get go. Tweener, can he defend the rim enough to play then 5? Is he mobile enough to guard current NBA 4's that play on the perimeter.

That was actually the biggest knock on his game, his defense. The majority of scouting reports thought he was going to be a major liability despite having the tools to be a great defender. He never knew when to help on defense, did not know how to go vertical without fouling.. etc. His iq was piss poor.

Of course Bagley is a bigger question mark than Ayton cause of his size.. but I go back to the Randle comparison. They are like the same size and Randle became a decent defender under Thibs. I definitely think Bagley can be the same way imo.

I think Randle moves much more fluidly especially with his feet than Begley. Begley is more plotting with his feet. I really thought Begley chance was to get bigger and play as a small ball 5. I just never really bought into him as a 4 in today's NBA.

But who knows I think we all agree a change of scenery is needed.

I think bagley’s problems are more off the ball than on the ball. I think he is pretty mobile for a 4 and can guard some 5’s in today’s nba. Hes just a horrible help defender

[mpharris36]

That was actually the biggest knock on his game, his defense. The majority of scouting reports thought he was going to be a major liability despite having the tools to be a great defender. He never knew when to help on defense, did not know how to go vertical without fouling.. etc. His iq was piss poor.

Of course Bagley is a bigger question mark than Ayton cause of his size.. but I go back to the Randle comparison. They are like the same size and Randle became a decent defender under Thibs. I definitely think Bagley can be the same way imo.

I think Randle moves much more fluidly especially with his feet than Begley. Begley is more plotting with his feet. I really thought Begley chance was to get bigger and play as a small ball 5. I just never really bought into him as a 4 in today's NBA.

But who knows I think we all agree a change of scenery is needed.

I think bagley’s problems are more off the ball than on the ball. I think he is pretty mobile for a 4 and can guard some 5’s in today’s nba. Hes just a horrible help defender

I just saw too much of this for my liking

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most of that is in one game too. Maybe some is on the coaching but if your bagley you also just have to be better than that.

[3toheadmelo]

I think Randle moves much more fluidly especially with his feet than Begley. Begley is more plotting with his feet. I really thought Begley chance was to get bigger and play as a small ball 5. I just never really bought into him as a 4 in today's NBA.

But who knows I think we all agree a change of scenery is needed.

I think bagley’s problems are more off the ball than on the ball. I think he is pretty mobile for a 4 and can guard some 5’s in today’s nba. Hes just a horrible help defender

I just saw too much of this for my liking

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most of that is in one game too. Maybe some is on the coaching but if your bagley you also just have to be better than that.

A lot of that is not knowing when to help and not being locked in. Coaching can make a big difference there.


Theres still a lot of flashes of what he can be

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Let’s see what happens when he’s on a different team with a good head coach. In one of those clips Sabonis couldn’t even post him up.

[Buzzard]

That was actually the biggest knock on his game, his defense. The majority of scouting reports thought he was going to be a major liability despite having the tools to be a great defender. He never knew when to help on defense, did not know how to go vertical without fouling.. etc. His iq was piss poor.

Of course Bagley is a bigger question mark than Ayton cause of his size.. but I go back to the Randle comparison. They are like the same size and Randle became a decent defender under Thibs. I definitely think Bagley can be the same way imo.

I think Randle moves much more fluidly especially with his feet than Begley. Begley is more plotting with his feet. I really thought Begley chance was to get bigger and play as a small ball 5. I just never really bought into him as a 4 in today's NBA.

But who knows I think we all agree a change of scenery is needed.

I think bagley’s problems are more off the ball than on the ball. I think he is pretty mobile for a 4 and can guard some 5’s in today’s nba. Hes just a horrible help defender

I agree and also think he has the tools to improve. His offensive skill set, mobility, body type, and size remind me of Chris Bosh. I have liked that comparison since he was in college.

Put some good to great team players around him and I think he is going to hit a good stride. Not quite peak Bosh at 24/10; but for sure 18/9 at a minimum.

[2010]

As an evaluator, all I’ma say is if I had the top pick I would be taking a player that isn’t the consensus #1. I’d be going YOLO. Cuz to me there is one truly special player in this draft.

Another good question is the potential best player in the draft might not play the best in the SIM either. The SIM loves efficiency.

Spoiler:

[DOT]

I still look at my PM to ill at the time for the #1 pick. He wanted one extra 1st an the deal would have been done. I just didn't pull the trigger. Biggest regret in BAF.

I was just thinking we should do a biggest success/regret rundown so far.

Success: SGA pick, sticking to my guns with my 5-year plan.
Regret: Not waiting to trade Kemba. My return was pretty meager and I could have at least squeezed another pick out of that deal.

It's been like a week, but I think the D Mitch trade has been my biggest success. I know people are being real nice about it, and I still like Killian Hayes, but I really don't think I gave up anywhere close to his value

Biggest regret would probably be dumping Booker for practically nothing. I don't think a single player I got back from that is still on the team, and unlike the trade down from 1st, I didn't flip them for anything. At least with that trade, while it was arguably worse than the Booker trade, I was able to basically trade who I got from it for Mitchell, so it was essentially the 1st pick (who would've been Edwards) for D Mitch, so it's somewhat redeemed. Or maybe trading Melo for Josh Jackson. That really f*cked my cap space the past 3 years

Now that I look back, I've made a ton of really bad moves. Guess I'm kind of a sh*t GM, but oh well.

[mpharris36]

As an evaluator, all I’ma say is if I had the top pick I would be taking a player that isn’t the consensus #1. I’d be going YOLO. Cuz to me there is one truly special player in this draft.

Another good question is the potential best player in the draft might not play the best in the SIM either. The SIM loves efficiency.

Spoiler:

Whiteside has been a SIM anomily but someone that doesn't get as much talk for huge SIM performer was Brandon Clarke. He put up a monster year for EZ.

[Depalma2002]

I still look at my PM to ill at the time for the #1 pick. He wanted one extra 1st an the deal would have been done. I just didn't pull the trigger. Biggest regret in BAF.

I was just thinking we should do a biggest success/regret rundown so far.

Success: SGA pick, sticking to my guns with my 5-year plan.
Regret: Not waiting to trade Kemba. My return was pretty meager and I could have at least squeezed another pick out of that deal.

Success: In the Jimmy Butler round trip to and from Golden State, I basically netted Collin Sexton for Willie-Cauley Stein. Also turned Tristan Thompson (and Dario Saric who returned later in the year at 1/6 the salary after being released) Into Jarrett Allen and Demar Derozan with the intermediate step of Hassan Whiteside.

Regret: Got a little spooked by Brandon Ingram's blood clots and went the perceived safer route and traded Ingram/JaMychal Green for Gordon Hayward and Norman Powell. Even though I got multiple 2nd round picks for Powell and sim Hayward has been about the same as sim Ingram since that time, Ingram's bird rights would have been worth holding on to this season due to the power of being able to give him a 5th year. Hayward, on the other hand, with his age and injury history, I wouldn't have felt comfortable giving him the 5 year offer. This forced me to give up some draft capital to exchange him for Brogdon/Covington.

[2010]

Another good question is the potential best player in the draft might not play the best in the SIM either. The SIM loves efficiency.

Spoiler:

Whiteside has been a SIM anomily but someone that doesn't get as much talk for huge SIM performer was Brandon Clarke. He put up a monster year for EZ.

Yeah, Clarke destroyed me in the playoffs. Another SIM overvalued big is John Collins who's been rated as a superstar big. That duo is something my squad couldn't overcome in a playoff series. Even with Philly missing McCollum for the first two games.

[Capn'O]

EZ is a Sim soothsayer. One with the Sim.

[mpharris36]

Spoiler:

Whiteside has been a SIM anomily but someone that doesn't get as much talk for huge SIM performer was Brandon Clarke. He put up a monster year for EZ.

Yeah, Clarke destroyed me in the playoffs. Another SIM overvalued big is John Collins who's been rated as a superstar big. That duo is something my squad couldn't overcome in a playoff series. Even with Philly missing McCollum for the first two games.

Yup Collins is a good player but the SIM gives him 5-star skills. Playing with Trae young in real life really helps him. So yes I was just saying Clarke who is solid got a massive boost. Collins who is good is a legend in the SIM. Clarke will probably have a SIM correction this year because his numbers flattened out a bit.

[3toheadmelo]

EZ is a Sim soothsayer. One with the Sim.

Toughest team I faced in the post season

[Context]

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[Fat]

Potentially open to taking on salary for another 1st pick in the draft

[HerSports85]

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