Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread

moonie_mcgee · Post #781 » by **moonie_mcgee** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:48 am

Saw the RWill3 6th man buzz somewhere. Coincidence? Wouldn't be a bad idea. Gives him time and confidence to test his limits.

Smart Brown Tatum Horford Thompson
Smart Fournier Brown Tatum Horford
Smart Brown Tatum Horford Brown

Bench: Timelord, Pritch, Nesmith...

cloverleaf · Post #782 » by **cloverleaf** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:57 am

moonie_mcgee wrote:Saw the RWill3 6th man buzz somewhere. Coincidence? Wouldn't be a bad idea. Gives him time and confidence to test his limits.

Smart Brown Tatum Horford Thompson
Smart Fournier Brown Tatum Horford
Smart Brown Tatum Horford Brown

Bench: Timelord, Pritch, Nesmith...

Isn't that just the team award he got in recognition for this past season, when he came off the bench more than he started?

I will still be shocked to see Thompson back next year, and a healthy Rob is better than Moses. But we'll see. Brad could have an itchy finger to trade, rather than extend Rob.

Wisedude · Post #783 » by **Wisedude** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:05 am

Don't see a quality point guard on this team. Has to be a priority.

moonie_mcgee · Post #784 » by **moonie_mcgee** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:27 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
moonie_mcgee wrote:Saw the RWill3 6th man buzz somewhere. Coincidence? Wouldn't be a bad idea. Gives him time and confidence to test his limits.

Smart Brown Tatum Horford Thompson
Smart Fournier Brown Tatum Horford
Smart Brown Tatum Horford Brown

Bench: Timelord, Pritch, Nesmith...

Isn't that just the team award he got in recognition for this past season, when he came off the bench more than he started?

I will still be shocked to see Thompson back next year, and a healthy Rob is better than Moses. But we'll see. Brad could have an itchy finger to trade, rather than extend Rob.

Yes but I'm thinking that could be laying the ground work for that 6th man role this year. Thinking these things are often not a coincidence. Could also be something to him being moved. As in he's a worthy chip as a 22 mpg 6th man player.

moonie_mcgee · Post #785 » by **moonie_mcgee** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:30 pm

Wisedude wrote:Don't see a quality point guard on this team. Has to be a priority.

We don't have a point at the level of the Bucks, Hawks, Nets and Indy.

bucknersrevenge · Post #786 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:36 am

Look at the ages of the veteran Milwaukee team that just closed this thing out. Included in that was their 31 year old PG. Just sayin. Just in case anyone needed a reminder that young teams don't win titles. Credit to Phoenix for getting to the Finals. They were an outlier in a year full of teams beset by injuries. If we want to get Tatum there we gotta get older and wiser.

cloverleaf · Post #787 » by **cloverleaf** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:58 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:Look at the ages of the veteran Milwaukee team that just closed this thing out. Included in that was their 31 year old PG. Just sayin. Just in case anyone needed a reminder that young teams don't win titles. Credit to Phoenix for getting to the Finals. They were an outlier in a year full of teams beset by injuries. If we want to get Tatum there we gotta get older and wiser.

Giannis won it at 26, after having won two previous league MVP titles. I'd say JT better get crackin'!

cloverleaf · Post #788 » by **cloverleaf** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:03 pm

moonie_mcgee wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
moonie_mcgee wrote:Saw the RWill3 6th man buzz somewhere. Coincidence? Wouldn't be a bad idea. Gives him time and confidence to test his limits.

Smart Brown Tatum Horford Thompson
Smart Fournier Brown Tatum Horford
Smart Brown Tatum Horford Brown

Bench: Timelord, Pritch, Nesmith...

Isn't that just the team award he got in recognition for this past season, when he came off the bench more than he started?

I will still be shocked to see Thompson back next year, and a healthy Rob is better than Moses. But we'll see. Brad could have an itchy finger to trade, rather than extend Rob.

Yes but I'm thinking that could be laying the ground work for that 6th man role this year. Thinking these things are often not a coincidence. Could also be something to him being moved. As in he's a worthy chip as a 22 mpg 6th man player.

Or, he was by far their most valuable contributor among the players who mostly came off the bench. Sometimes due recognition is just due recognition.

bucknersrevenge · Post #789 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:01 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:Look at the ages of the veteran Milwaukee team that just closed this thing out. Included in that was their 31 year old PG. Just sayin. Just in case anyone needed a reminder that young teams don't win titles. Credit to Phoenix for getting to the Finals. They were an outlier in a year full of teams beset by injuries. If we want to get Tatum there we gotta get older and wiser.

Giannis won it at 26, after having won two previous league MVP titles. I'd say JT better get crackin'!

Good supporting staff full of primary contributors that were mostly older and more experienced than him. Consistency. Ability and reliability. You don't win an MVP without good reliable teammates.

moonie_mcgee · Post #790 » by **moonie_mcgee** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:15 am

bucknersrevenge wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:Look at the ages of the veteran Milwaukee team that just closed this thing out. Included in that was their 31 year old PG. Just sayin. Just in case anyone needed a reminder that young teams don't win titles. Credit to Phoenix for getting to the Finals. They were an outlier in a year full of teams beset by injuries. If we want to get Tatum there we gotta get older and wiser.

Giannis won it at 26, after having won two previous league MVP titles. I'd say JT better get crackin'!

Good supporting staff full of primary contributors that were mostly older and more experienced than him. Consistency. Ability and reliability. You don't win an MVP without good reliable teammates.

You're right. And that what Ainge should've done last offseason and what Stevens should be doing now. Keep the youth for depth not developmental assets and add the right quality primary contributors. Fournier is a good example for the wrong quality primary contributors. Some want to start him but he'd be an off the bench shooter on other playoff teams. He'd be in Teagues slot on the Bucks and back one spot further if the Nova kid was healthy.

24istheLAW · Post #791 » by **24istheLAW** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:31 am

The problem the Celtics have right now is they have very few actual rotation players.

Horford/Robert Williams/Tristan Thompson
Tatum
Brown
Smart

Pritchard could possibly go the FVV route, but right now he's a TBD. Nesmith and Langford are major TBDs, and its unwise to project Nesmith into a regular role. Grant Williams looks like he can contribute at the back end of a rotation, but hits his ceiling fast. Thompson is a known commodity but plays a position of relative depth.

Filling out this roster right now is a numbers game. Ideally you can turn Tristan Thompson into a Tristan Thompson at a different position. But that's no sure thing. Then you have the issue of Fournier/his slot. Then you have an exception to use right. Going 3/3 with those decisions would be huge.

BostonCouchGM · Post #792 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:51 am

24istheLAW wrote:The problem the Celtics have right now is they have very few actual rotation players.

Horford/Robert Williams/Tristan Thompson
Tatum
Brown
Smart

Pritchard could possibly go the FVV route, but right now he's a TBD. Nesmith and Langford are major TBDs, and its unwise to project Nesmith into a regular role. Grant Williams looks like he can contribute at the back end of a rotation, but hits his ceiling fast. Thompson is a known commodity but plays a position of relative depth.

Filling out this roster right now is a numbers game. Ideally you can turn Tristan Thompson into a Tristan Thompson at a different position. But that's no sure thing. Then you have the issue of Fournier/his slot. Then you have an exception to use right. Going 3/3 with those decisions would be huge.

there's TBDs and then there's TBDs. The Raptors once had supposed TBDs in FVV, Anunoby, and Siakam. Now, I didn't consider them to be TBD, I considered them very talented young players who needed minutes to develop and it was only a matter of time until they earned starting roles and prospered. Pritchard, Langford and Nesmith all have similar levels of talent to those three give or take. All that's needed is for them to get the minutes they deserve. There's no reason to be giving minutes to guys like Williams, Semi, Waters and Edwards. And if we had given most/all of their minutes to the actual young talent we had this season, they'd all be that much better prepared, more developed, and ready to play major minutes this upcoming season. Pritchard and Nesmith should have FVV and OG type impact if allowed to be starters. That's why signing veterans like Lowry or Fournier, who aren't much if at all better, not only hurts their development, doesn't get us any more wins or a better shot at a championship, but it also hurt our cap and limits our ability to get true difference makers. Like I've been saying since the beginning of last season. Our best foot forward is:
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Pritchard-Smart
Nesmith-Langford
Brown
Tatum-Williams
Williams-TT-Brown

It's the best combination of shooting, defense, and BBIQ. Smart plays in his more appropriate 6th man role, Langford is the sub at the 2/3 and we've got PnR rim runners for bigs. It's not winning championships this season but it'll have us ready to go for it next season because Pritchard, Nesmith and Williams will be established starters. Just like people erroneously thought FVV, OG and Siakam were question mark TBDs a few seasons ago, Pritchard, Nesmith and Langford (to a lesser extent) will prove the doubters wrong, provided the new coach doesn't get stupid and acquire former players to block them to bring over his "culture"

Post #793 » by **Shak_Celts** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:12 am

If Grant is still with the team this upcoming season, you heard it here first, he is gonna look like a keeper for the long haul. I'm talking 6-7th man level.

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Post #795 » by **Parliament10** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:37 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:If Grant is still with the team this upcoming season, you heard it here first, he is gonna look like a keeper for the long haul. I'm talking 6-7th man level.

I Agree with that. I think that Grant Williams is definitely a keeper.

Half-Full · Post #796 » by **Half-Full** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:22 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:If Grant is still with the team this upcoming season, you heard it here first, he is gonna look like a keeper for the long haul. I'm talking 6-7th man level.

Sully00 posted this in another thread: "Grant Williams biggest problem is who he plays with. He is frequently in line ups of other young inexperienced players who are best suited in a complimentary role." I agree. Putting Grant in lineups with more experienced players would benefit his game. I am looking forward to seeing him paired with Al Horford. How about this lineup: Pritchard, Fournier, Jaylen, Grant, and Al? Seems pretty balanced to me.

ChopLuey · Post #797 » by **ChopLuey** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:45 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:If Grant is still with the team this upcoming season, you heard it here first, he is gonna look like a keeper for the long haul. I'm talking 6-7th man level.

If grant is your 6-7th man you don’t make playoffs

Curmudgeon · Post #798 » by **Curmudgeon** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:19 pm

ChopLuey wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:If Grant is still with the team this upcoming season, you heard it here first, he is gonna look like a keeper for the long haul. I'm talking 6-7th man level.

If grant is your 6-7th man you don’t make playoffs

It depends on who the first six are, doesn't it? If Grant were seventh man on the Nets you don't think they would make the playoffs?
If the Celtics in fact empty the cupboard for a star like Beal or Lillard, they will be lucky to have a 6th or 7th man as good as Grant Williams.

Bad-Thoma · Post #799 » by **Bad-Thoma** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:19 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:If Grant is still with the team this upcoming season, you heard it here first, he is gonna look like a keeper for the long haul. I'm talking 6-7th man level.

I fully agree. He's had his ups and downs but his defense improved as the year went along, he shot 37% from 3, he plays 3 positions and he plays hard. I can understand people thinking his ceiling isn't that high, it's subjective and he definitely has been inconsistent. What I don't understand is the hate he gets from some people but I never really understand the vehemence that people despise some athletes with, it's just not how I am wired (well, maybe a little with Kyrie but that's a special case). If he can get a little better switching onto perimeter players, maintain or improve his 3, and diversify his offense a bit more he'll be a valuable roleplayer.

cloverleaf · Post #800 » by **cloverleaf** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:19 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:Look at the ages of the veteran Milwaukee team that just closed this thing out. Included in that was their 31 year old PG. Just sayin. Just in case anyone needed a reminder that young teams don't win titles. Credit to Phoenix for getting to the Finals. They were an outlier in a year full of teams beset by injuries. If we want to get Tatum there we gotta get older and wiser.

Giannis won it at 26, after having won two previous league MVP titles. I'd say JT better get crackin'!

Good supporting staff full of primary contributors that were mostly older and more experienced than him. Consistency. Ability and reliability. You don't win an MVP without good reliable teammates.

More fundamentally you don't win an MVP--regular season or finals--without playing like an MVP and leading your team to victory.