Olajuwon vs Adetokunbo: Greatest Ethnic Nigerian Player Ever?

[BoatsNZones]

Giannis by a mile, by virtue of not donating money to terrorist groups.

Oh **** off dude, he is a Muslim and had no clue that church had terrorist ties (they came to him asking for help for needy Africans and he made a donation while being mislead). The guy lives and grew his children up in Houston. He loves Texas/America and is not shy about that fact.

[BoatsNZones]

To answer this question, Olajuwon was clearly the more talented/productive player, and it's tough to imagine Giannis adding enough to his game to catch up, but I'm not ruling him out.

[ubernathan]

Giannis by a mile, by virtue of not donating money to terrorist groups.

Oh **** off dude, he is a Muslim and had no clue that church had terrorist ties (they came to him asking for help for needy Africans and he made a donation while being mislead). The guy lives and grew his children up in Houston. He loves Texas/America and is not shy about that fact.

You're poorly informed. It was the his mosque (opened and funded by him) that gave money to fronts for Al-Qaeda and Hamas. He didn't give money to a church. Loving Texas and America isn't mutually exclusive with funding terrorism. It doesn't hurt Texans when a coerced woman detonates a suicide vest in an Iraqi market.

[BallerTalk]

As long as we're doing original Yoruba spellings wasn't Hakeem actually Akeem but he added the H to make it easier for Americans?

It was actually the opposite. Hakeem was the original spelling that got "lost" when he arrived at UH.

[Egg Nog]

Giannis by a mile, by virtue of not donating money to terrorist groups.

Oh **** off dude, he is a Muslim and had no clue that church had terrorist ties (they came to him asking for help for needy Africans and he made a donation while being mislead). The guy lives and grew his children up in Houston. He loves Texas/America and is not shy about that fact.

You're poorly informed. It was the his mosque (opened and funded by him) that gave money to fronts for Al-Qaeda and Hamas. He didn't give money to a church. Loving Texas and America isn't mutually exclusive with funding terrorism. It doesn't hurt Texans when a coerced woman detonates a suicide vest in an Iraqi market.

Hakeem's mosque openly made donations (and reported them to the IRS) to charities that were later accused of having these ties. He clearly was not trying to hide anything.

Terrorist groups sell heroin and hold people hostage to raise money, it would hardly be surprising if they were also committing fraud through fake charities.

What is your source? I'm not saying what happened, I don't know what happened. But I have seen nothing to suggest that Hakeem was guilty.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/16/sports/basketball/olajuwon-says-he-trusted-charities.html

[BoatsNZones]

Giannis by a mile, by virtue of not donating money to terrorist groups.

Oh **** off dude, he is a Muslim and had no clue that church had terrorist ties (they came to him asking for help for needy Africans and he made a donation while being mislead). The guy lives and grew his children up in Houston. He loves Texas/America and is not shy about that fact.

You're poorly informed. It was the his mosque (opened and funded by him) that gave money to fronts for Al-Qaeda and Hamas. He didn't give money to a church. Loving Texas and America isn't mutually exclusive with funding terrorism. It doesn't hurt Texans when a coerced woman detonates a suicide vest in an Iraqi market.

SMH the US Government looked into the situation in detail and found exactly no wrongdoing by Hakeem. He was duped, as millions are every year to donating to these mosques with illegitimate intentions (he's a busy person who gave ~60K to this... of which they garnered millions from other donors... he was not over there overseeing operations bud, and rest assure he would have just given this money without disclosing it as a donation to the IRS if he had knowledge of their affairs).

But I'm sure you have better intel than the US government concerning their own interests. Clown.

[NZB2323]

Giannis at age 26 > Hakeem at age 26

Hakeem’s career > Giannis’s career

Please Hakeem took the rockets to the finals in his 2nd year.
Unfortunately his Robin got injured & the rest of the team got done for drugs.

Guy was playing with G league level talent & taking them to the playoffs every year.

Also he made first team at age 24 25 & 26.
Over Kareem & Moses Malone & Ewing.

Kareem was 39, 40, and 41 those 3 seasons and Moses was past his prime as well.

Giannis has 2 MVPs, a Finals MVP, and a DPoTY at age 26, over all the players in the NBA, not just centers.

[jokeboy86]

Two Yoruba Kings... Hakeem 'The Dream' Olajuwon & Giannis 'Greak Freak' Adetokunbo?

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I hope this finally could mean that Giannis reaches out to work with Hakeem. Give Giannis one off season with Hakeem and it might be scary the following season.

[GoldenAntlers]

Two Yoruba Kings... Hakeem 'The Dream' Olajuwon & Giannis 'Greak Freak' Adetokunbo?

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I hope this finally could mean that Giannis reaches out to work with Hakeem. Give Giannis one off season with Hakeem and it might be scary the following season.

Bucks fans have been dreaming about that (pun intended) for years.

[gottamakeit]

Oh **** off dude, he is a Muslim and had no clue that church had terrorist ties (they came to him asking for help for needy Africans and he made a donation while being mislead). The guy lives and grew his children up in Houston. He loves Texas/America and is not shy about that fact.

You're poorly informed. It was the his mosque (opened and funded by him) that gave money to fronts for Al-Qaeda and Hamas. He didn't give money to a church. Loving Texas and America isn't mutually exclusive with funding terrorism. It doesn't hurt Texans when a coerced woman detonates a suicide vest in an Iraqi market.

SMH the US Government looked into the situation in detail and found exactly no wrongdoing by Hakeem. He was duped, as millions are every year to donating to these mosques with illegitimate intentions (he's a busy person who gave ~60K to this... of which they garnered millions from other donors... he was not over there overseeing operations bud, and rest assure he would have just given this money without disclosing it as a donation to the IRS if he had knowledge of their affairs).

But I'm sure you have better intel than the US government concerning their own interests. Clown.

The Clown, aka ubernathan, likely has a hate boner for muslims.

[Coxy]

Dream

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I've got Hakeem as the second greatest player of all time so....

[Clay Davis]

Giannis by a mile, by virtue of not donating money to terrorist groups.

Oh **** off dude, he is a Muslim and had no clue that church had terrorist ties (they came to him asking for help for needy Africans and he made a donation while being mislead). The guy lives and grew his children up in Houston. He loves Texas/America and is not shy about that fact.

You're poorly informed. It was the his mosque (opened and funded by him) that gave money to fronts for Al-Qaeda and Hamas. He didn't give money to a church. Loving Texas and America isn't mutually exclusive with funding terrorism. It doesn't hurt Texans when a coerced woman detonates a suicide vest in an Iraqi market.

Yet America donates billions in military support to Saudi Arabia, has shot thousands of depleted uranium bullets heavily populated civilian areas in Iraq, and has dropped tens of thousands of bombs in civilian areas in Iraq and Kuwait. Loving America (and paying taxes) isn't mutually exclusive with terrorism either.

[BoatsNZones]

Oh **** off dude, he is a Muslim and had no clue that church had terrorist ties (they came to him asking for help for needy Africans and he made a donation while being mislead). The guy lives and grew his children up in Houston. He loves Texas/America and is not shy about that fact.

You're poorly informed. It was the his mosque (opened and funded by him) that gave money to fronts for Al-Qaeda and Hamas. He didn't give money to a church. Loving Texas and America isn't mutually exclusive with funding terrorism. It doesn't hurt Texans when a coerced woman detonates a suicide vest in an Iraqi market.

Yet America donates billions in military support to Saudi Arabia, has shot thousands of depleted uranium bullets heavily populated civilian areas in Iraq, and has dropped tens of thousands of bombs in civilian areas in Iraq and Kuwait. Loving America (and paying taxes) isn't mutually exclusive with terrorism either.

This was a quote from a while ago and I don't care to derail the thread much further, but rest assure that these facts have absolutely nothing to do with Hakeem or this situation. You are speaking to the military industrial complex and the collateral damage (reckless or otherwise) of war against other nations and organizations who oppose the US.
Rest assure, if they thought Hakeem was plotting against them, he would have been tried and dealt with after their investigation. It was clearly not the case. We can please drop this nonsense about an INCREDIBLE/philanthropic human on and off the floor.

[HurricaneKid]

1.5 minutes up from the previous season and 4 minutes up from the 89 season. At the total was 41 minutes a game. 41 minutes a game is insane. Nobody plays 41 minutes a game for 80 games at the age of 31 in their 10th season. The dip was going to happen.

But in summary, the idea that Hakeem was a defensive beast mostly in the 80s is wrong. In the first 5 seasons of the 90s (90-94), Hakeem was hands down the best defensive player in the league. A decline began in 94 but he was still a great defender and the best defender in the league that year and deserved the DPOY.

Hakeem's best offensive years were 93-95 and his best defensive were 89-91. Giannis is a DPOY level guy today.

I'm not sure Hakeem was better than Robinson for whatever's worth.

I'm not really sure what you are getting at by splitting out Hakeem's best years like that. In 86 he averaged 27 a game in the playoffs and led the Rockets to the finals. In 87 averaged 29 in the playoffs. In 88 he averaged 38 in the playoffs. It's not like Hakeem wasn't a really good playoff performer until 93. Hakeem actually averaged 4 more PPG in the playoffs than the regular season for his career and is 13th all time in playoffs ppg ahead of guys like Kobe, Shaq, Malone, and Dirk. He is one of the few rare players that actually had a higher FG% in the playoffs for his career than the regular season.

The unfortunate part of Hakeem's career is that the Rockets were a badly run franchise that put nobody around him and he fought with the team a lot in the early 90s. Rudy T came in and ran an offense that fit Hakeem and the rest is history.

Did you really brag up his 88 avg when he played 4 games and got knocked out of the playoffs 3-1 in the first round?

Dream's biggest issue is that from his yr 25 season through his yr 29 season he missed the playoffs (once) more than he even got to the deciding game of the first round (zero times; 3-12 overall in the playoffs) and he wasn't a very good teammate/leader during that time.

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[Clay Davis]

You're poorly informed. It was the his mosque (opened and funded by him) that gave money to fronts for Al-Qaeda and Hamas. He didn't give money to a church. Loving Texas and America isn't mutually exclusive with funding terrorism. It doesn't hurt Texans when a coerced woman detonates a suicide vest in an Iraqi market.

Yet America donates billions in military support to Saudi Arabia, has shot thousands of depleted uranium bullets heavily populated civilian areas in Iraq, and has dropped tens of thousands of bombs in civilian areas in Iraq and Kuwait. Loving America (and paying taxes) isn't mutually exclusive with terrorism either.

This was a quote from a while ago and I don't care to derail the thread much further, but rest assure that these facts have absolutely nothing to do with Hakeem or this situation. You are speaking to the military industrial complex and the collateral damage (reckless or otherwise) of war against other nations and organizations who oppose the US.
Rest assure, if they thought Hakeem was plotting against them, he would have been tried and dealt with after their investigation. It was clearly not the case. We can please drop this nonsense about an INCREDIBLE/philanthropic human on and off the floor.

I think that the actions of the United States and its allies rightly characterize it as a terrorist state.

[Sothron]

I don't think it is fair to compare Greek Freak to Hakeem. One guy is still playing and in his prime years and the other guy is a legit contender for the greatest all around player in NBA history. If people are too young to remember Hakeem playing he was dominant on both ends of the court.

Right now the only truthful answer to this is Hakeem. But in another 6-8 seasons assuming Giannis played that long and at the same level we can have the discussion again.

[BoatsNZones]

Yet America donates billions in military support to Saudi Arabia, has shot thousands of depleted uranium bullets heavily populated civilian areas in Iraq, and has dropped tens of thousands of bombs in civilian areas in Iraq and Kuwait. Loving America (and paying taxes) isn't mutually exclusive with terrorism either.

This was a quote from a while ago and I don't care to derail the thread much further, but rest assure that these facts have absolutely nothing to do with Hakeem or this situation. You are speaking to the military industrial complex and the collateral damage (reckless or otherwise) of war against other nations and organizations who oppose the US.
Rest assure, if they thought Hakeem was plotting against them, he would have been tried and dealt with after their investigation. It was clearly not the case. We can please drop this nonsense about an INCREDIBLE/philanthropic human on and off the floor.

I think that the actions of the United States and its allies rightly characterize it as a terrorist state.

One last question: What nation in any semblance of power would you not characterize in this sense? Certainly not its enemies, that is for sure. It's a very corrupt world we live in.

My entire point was that the take against Hakeem was completely unfounded (after a detailed investigation by one of the top nations you would not want to cross).

[Clay Davis]

This was a quote from a while ago and I don't care to derail the thread much further, but rest assure that these facts have absolutely nothing to do with Hakeem or this situation. You are speaking to the military industrial complex and the collateral damage (reckless or otherwise) of war against other nations and organizations who oppose the US.
Rest assure, if they thought Hakeem was plotting against them, he would have been tried and dealt with after their investigation. It was clearly not the case. We can please drop this nonsense about an INCREDIBLE/philanthropic human on and off the floor.

I think that the actions of the United States and its allies rightly characterize it as a terrorist state.

One last question: What nation in any semblance of power would you not characterize in this sense? Certainly not its enemies, that is for sure. It's a very corrupt world we live in.

That's a good question, but frankly I think it's an irrelevant one. A superpower conceiving of its enemies as 'terrorist states' is just another way of affirming its jus ad bellum; mere propaganda that anyone who cares about not being a hypocrite ought to see right through. Indeed, it's a corrupt world, so we shouldn't be so restrictive on who we consider terrorists.

[HurricaneKid]

With Giannis' finals performance and playoff performance generally, this is a legitimate conversation. Comparable to Hakeem's 1995 performance against Shaq and is having a similarly dominant run.

Giannis just kicked in the the door to get into this discussion.

Finals? Yes. Playoff run? No. in 95 the Rockets beat a 60 win Jazz team as the road team. Beat a 59 win Suns team on the road. Beat a 62 win Spurs team on the road. And then beat a 57 win Magic team on the road. And Hakeem outplayed Malone, Barkley, Robinson, and Shaq in all of those series.

This is all true. But they were also the most disappointing defending champ during that time. They were the 6 seed and had a much worse SRS than the 7 seed. They had even added Clyde Drexler. So when you have to go through the 1, 2, and 3 seed you are def gonna have to beat some teams.

Also, against the Suns Barkley goes 1 of 4 from the line in the last 30 secs of regulation of G5. Shoot 50% and Hou loses. Then Elie hits the game winner in G7. A ton of breaks not of his doing along the way.

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