Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[Dewey]

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2nd round pick? That's bogus ... Most everyone is down on Culver, but I keep him over any of Okogie, Layman, Hernangomez.

I'd probably trade a second to get rid of Culver at this point. He's that bad. Needs to spend a season in europe or gleague. Okogie is a much more important player for us.

Okogies shoots nearly 80% from the line. If he can shoot 35% from 3 he becomes a better than average starter. Our Raja Bell/Bruce Bowen.

Don’t need to like Culver, but these illusions of Okogie are over the top

[shangrila]

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2nd round pick? That's bogus ... Most everyone is down on Culver, but I keep him over any of Okogie, Layman, Hernangomez.

I'd probably trade a second to get rid of Culver at this point. He's that bad. Needs to spend a season in europe or gleague. Okogie is a much more important player for us.

Okogies shoots nearly 80% from the line. If he can shoot 35% from 3 he becomes a better than average starter. Our Raja Bell/Bruce Bowen.

It's been 3 years. Every year he shoots above 70% from the line and every year he shoots below 30% from 3.

It's getting hard to keep believing he'll turn it around.

[Krapinsky]

2nd round pick? That's bogus ... Most everyone is down on Culver, but I keep him over any of Okogie, Layman, Hernangomez.

I'd probably trade a second to get rid of Culver at this point. He's that bad. Needs to spend a season in europe or gleague. Okogie is a much more important player for us.

Okogies shoots nearly 80% from the line. If he can shoot 35% from 3 he becomes a better than average starter. Our Raja Bell/Bruce Bowen.

It's been 3 years. Every year he shoots above 70% from the line and every year he shoots below 30% from 3.

It's getting hard to keep believing he'll turn it around.

Yet he’s only 22– not even 6 months older than Culver. I think he’ll improve once Finch gets his system in place next year and gives him a defined role. Last year Okogie was playing PF for long stretches.

[King Malta]

Yeah look, I'm not a huge believer in Okogie specifically, but I'd sooner bank on him improving in the required areas rather than Culver.

[shangrila]

I'd probably trade a second to get rid of Culver at this point. He's that bad. Needs to spend a season in europe or gleague. Okogie is a much more important player for us.

Okogies shoots nearly 80% from the line. If he can shoot 35% from 3 he becomes a better than average starter. Our Raja Bell/Bruce Bowen.

It's been 3 years. Every year he shoots above 70% from the line and every year he shoots below 30% from 3.

It's getting hard to keep believing he'll turn it around.

Yet he’s only 22– not even 6 months older than Culver. I think he’ll improve once Finch gets his system in place next year and gives him a defined role. Last year Okogie was playing PF for long stretches.

I hope you're right.

I doubt it, but I'll hope.

[SO_MONEY]

I'd probably trade a second to get rid of Culver at this point. He's that bad. Needs to spend a season in europe or gleague. Okogie is a much more important player for us.

Okogies shoots nearly 80% from the line. If he can shoot 35% from 3 he becomes a better than average starter. Our Raja Bell/Bruce Bowen.

It's been 3 years. Every year he shoots above 70% from the line and every year he shoots below 30% from 3.

It's getting hard to keep believing he'll turn it around.

Yet he’s only 22– not even 6 months older than Culver. I think he’ll improve once Finch gets his system in place next year and gives him a defined role. Last year Okogie was playing PF for long stretches.

Trade both of them, find better, cheaper end of bench replacements. Allocate remainder of funds to contributing players. Neither player is a keeper, we need to move on. I don't get why people want to hang on to replaceable players with no upside. Getting them off the books is to our benefit. You can find defenders all over, they might even be younger, have upside and be able to hit a shot or FT. I don't get the attachment at all.

[Nick K]

Yeah look, I'm not a huge believer in Okogie specifically, but I'd sooner bank on him improving in the required areas rather than Culver.

Nope. Culver has much more upside than Josh. Culver has had very little chance so far considering injuries and various other things. He deserves more time to prove himself. Josh is who he always will be. Balmaro will make Okogie obsolete. We must move Okogie, Layman and Hernangomez.

[SO_MONEY]

Yeah look, I'm not a huge believer in Okogie specifically, but I'd sooner bank on him improving in the required areas rather than Culver.

Nope. Culver has much more upside than Josh. Culver has had very little chance so far considering injuries and various other things. He deserves more time to prove himself. Josh is who he always will be. Balmaro will make Okogie obsolete. We must move Okogie, Layman and Hernangomez.

It is not either or. Neither has much upside. They can both play D, different styles, Culver probably has the edge there, but Josh is better offensively and he is still nearly unplayable.

[NebWolvesFan]

I like Okogie, but I still feel like if Okogie took off and became a solid all-around player its because he's shooting more consistently and Finch can play him at PG/SG. That being said, Minnesota - assuming Rubio stays - is loaded in the backcourt. The Wolves needs post players and PFs. If Minnesota can move Okogie for a real post player/PF, you have to do it in order to fill needs.

Next to draft picks, Okogie probably has the most value on the Wolves with his expiring contract, a real-life NBA skill (perimeter defense) and low salary - 4 million.

[Klomp]

Okogie for 32?

Thibs gets his man, we get draft capital

[SO_MONEY]

Okogie for 32?

Thibs gets his man, we get draft capital

Would be awesome if it could happen. I am skeptical.

[shrink]

Okogie for 32?

Thibs gets his man, we get draft capital

I like it. I’ve suggested it on the Trade Board a month ago!

[jpatrick]

Yeah look, I'm not a huge believer in Okogie specifically, but I'd sooner bank on him improving in the required areas rather than Culver.

Nope. Culver has much more upside than Josh. Culver has had very little chance so far considering injuries and various other things. He deserves more time to prove himself. Josh is who he always will be. Balmaro will make Okogie obsolete. We must move Okogie, Layman and Hernangomez.

Bolmaro is much more like Culver from a body/game standpoint. I doubt Bolmaro gets regular minutes next year if we’re any good, at least early. He has a ways to go.

[shrink]

Another way to look at it is that Okogie is in his final year.

People make a big deal about Star players being in their final season, where you either trade them, or “lose them for nothing.” It is true for lesser players as well, though many are simply not brought back when their contracts expire.

Okogie is a legitimate, one-way, NBA player, and one-way players are fine for teams’ benches. In fact, since Okogie is a good and energetic point-of-attack defender, he is the type of guy teams like on their bench, to try to slow down opposing one way scorers, and keep the game close while starters get their rest. He’s can be useful here in that role too, but I think some payroll relief and a second may help us a little more, giving us more flexibility on players that are more important to the team. Moving him also opens up minutes we might want to invest elsewhere.

[shrink]

The Okogie talk made me remember a challenge I’ve been meaning to post. Many players have more value to their home team, due to team identity, ticket sales, loyalty, etc. I label them, “more valuable to us than you.” However, there are 29 other teams out there with 29 sets of unique needs.

Your challenge is to link each player with the team where he has the most trade value. For example.

Towns (MIN). It is difficult for the Wolves to find star talent in free agency, and KAT has been loyal and is locked up for three more years. Right now, he is the face of the franchise.

Russell (MIN .. maybe PHI?). Rosas needs to see if a KAT-DLo pairing works - his reputation is on the line. However, PHI would be a good fit for Russell. They need a PG, facilitator, shooter, guy you can put the ball in his hands in the final two minutes, and his defense isn’t such a big liability.

Edwards (MIN). No team is higher, no fanbase more optimistic.

Jaden McDaniels (MIN). See Edwards

Ricky Rubio [CHI). They need a vet PG to coordinate their offense, and mentor Coby White. Rubio already knows how to feed LaVine, and he has helped the growth of Mitchell, Booker and Edwards. (If Edwards wants him, we may stick with one more season here).

Malik Beasley [LAL - many teams). Beasley’s ability to score and elite outside shooting would be useful to any contender with bigs that operate in the paint. He is being under-utilized if he stays in MIN and comes off the bench

Josh Okogie (NYK). Thibs loves the guy, and NYK will want to win.

Jarrett Culver (OKC). The Thunder have tons of picks, and need to consolidate to youth with higher upside. OKC is only 5 hours from Lubbock, and being closer to family may help fix Culver’s confidence.

Naz Reid (CHA). Charlotte needs both a starting center and a back up center - Reid could be either.

Juancho Hermangomez (PHI?). PHI fans tell me he is an upgrade over Mike Scott, and not a longterm commitment

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No need to go into great detail. Just player - team combos would be a fun read.

[IceManBK1]

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Crazy how they want Foxx over dlo.. I actually think dlo is better than Foxx. But I wouldn't include dlo for simmons neither.

Foxx, Beasley and kings#9 to Philly .. Simmons and Rubio to Kings. Bagley iii and Barnes to us

[SO_MONEY]

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Crazy how they want Foxx over dlo.. I actually think dlo is better than Foxx. But I wouldn't include dlo for simmons neither.

Foxx, Beasley and kings#9 to Philly .. Simmons and Rubio to Kings. Bagley iii and Barnes to us

They can ask for whatever, they are not getting it.

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Funny, I listened to a podcast who said he wouldn’t consider it - for Fox. He says Fox is a much better asset than Simmons.

[SO_MONEY]

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Funny, I listened to a podcast who said he wouldn’t consider it - for Fox. He says Fox is a much better asset than Simmons.

If Simmons had value the "rumors" would be flowing in the opposite direction.

[jpatrick]

On the Dun’c On podcast’s mock offseason episode, which is always great, they traded Ben Simmons for CJ McCollum, Anfernee Simons, and one protected pick swap.

I think that’s a realistic trade but they Philly fans will flip out if that is the deal that goes down. Getting CJ without even getting a first round pick.