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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1521 » by Flames24Rulz » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:11 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Just trade them both.


Davante, I could see maybe trading because you can at least get something of value for him besides a comp pick for losing him in free agency.

The Rodgers thing, trading him makes no sense now. If you trade him to say Denver and he plays how everyone thinks he can play, the first round picks in the draft will be in the mid-late 20's in the next few years. If Rodgers were to actually sit out the entire season (lol), you can hold onto him until after the year, trade him to Denver/a team more desperate for a QB after they have a mediocre-below average season, and get better draft capital out of it.

Either way, Gute should absolutely be on the hot seat for managing to not only bungle up the Rodgers situation, but now this with Davante.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1522 » by Kerb Hohl » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:13 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Just trade them both.


At this point I'd be fine with any outcome but the current path seems best to me.

Play out 2021. You have a Super Bowl roster.

2022 rolls along your team is almost assuredly worse off going into the season. Older Rodgers, Davante would need a new deal if he got one, Z is older, less $ to pay supporting cast, etc. You could have a change of heart and extend/re-sign, but likely that is when you deal 12 and I guess Davante just walks.

That said, they could move on even faster trading Rodgers/Davante right now...I get that. But to me I'd value one more legit run rather than the 2nd and 4th rounder we'd get for Davante. Maybe he walks for nothing and we get something for Rodgers.

And the other path...locking in Rodgers/Adams for 3-4 more years. I mean it would be fine because we'd still have a team that could win a title in 2022 or 2023...but we know the extremely likely outcome.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1523 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:30 pm

Granted Aaron himself still hasn't said a word, but it sure looks like he's super not playing another down for the Packers. So yea, having Adams around would help Love a lot, but he'll either need to be franchised in '22 or the Packers would have to pay more than Hopkins money, and that's just stupid.

Trade them both.
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2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1524 » by RubberSoul » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:39 pm

Should have traded both before the draft. Now it will just be an awkward poor chemistry 9-8 type year if Rodgers shows up. I’d rather get some draft capital and build for the future.

After seeing Giannis’s humbleness and general likeability for this long championship run it’s honestly hard to even stomach Rodgers passive aggressive petty ways. Move on.

Edit: Also I don’t doubt for a second that Rodgers toxicity poisoned the well with Adams in regards to his feelings for Packers. Move him before he does more damage.


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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1525 » by Profound23 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:56 pm

Trade Adams to the Raiders, Rodgers to the Broncos

You probably get back 6-7 firsts between the 2 of them....and with that division at least one of those teams is drafting in the top 10 this year. We suck this year, have 3 firsts in the 2022 draft....with at least two of them in the top 10....and three firsts in the 2023 draft with at least one of them in the top 10.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1526 » by Kerb Hohl » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:04 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Granted Aaron himself still hasn't said a word, but it sure looks like he's super not playing another down for the Packers. So yea, having Adams around would help Love a lot, but he'll either need to be franchised in '22 or the Packers would have to pay more than Hopkins money, and that's just stupid.

Trade them both.


I'd be willing to wager real money that Rodgers plays more than a down for the Packers.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1527 » by Kerb Hohl » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:06 pm

Profound23 wrote:Trade Adams to the Raiders, Rodgers to the Broncos

You probably get back 6-7 firsts between the 2 of them....and with that division at least one of those teams is drafting in the top 10 this year. We suck this year, have 3 firsts in the 2022 draft....with at least two of them in the top 10....and three firsts in the 2023 draft with at least one of them in the top 10.


Lol, WHAT?
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1528 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:06 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Granted Aaron himself still hasn't said a word, but it sure looks like he's super not playing another down for the Packers. So yea, having Adams around would help Love a lot, but he'll either need to be franchised in '22 or the Packers would have to pay more than Hopkins money, and that's just stupid.

Trade them both.


I'd be willing to wager real money that Rodgers plays more than a down for the Packers.


The Woodley RT thing is what makes me think he's serious about not playing for GB.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1529 » by Kerb Hohl » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:11 pm

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ReasonablySober wrote:Granted Aaron himself still hasn't said a word, but it sure looks like he's super not playing another down for the Packers. So yea, having Adams around would help Love a lot, but he'll either need to be franchised in '22 or the Packers would have to pay more than Hopkins money, and that's just stupid.

Trade them both.


I'd be willing to wager real money that Rodgers plays more than a down for the Packers.


The Woodley RT thing is what makes me think he's serious about not playing for GB.


Knowing that if this video is true, I have never, ever been an "intangibles over results" guy in that I always root for my team to win and rarely am attached to players, off-the-field storylines, etc... I loved watching Favre but was on team Rodgers/Thompson because I didn't have the "he plays hard and I love him, keep him!" attachment.

If it is true that he's being a giant bitch baby about "how he is treated" and this isn't simply a negotiating ploy...

Then I'd rather not trade him for anything. **** him. He retires and we rebuild without the 1st and 3rd round picks we would've gotten for him. He can then get the treatment he deserves from the Jeopardy executive producers.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1530 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:16 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
I'd be willing to wager real money that Rodgers plays more than a down for the Packers.


The Woodley RT thing is what makes me think he's serious about not playing for GB.


Knowing that if this video is true, I have never, ever been an "intangibles over results" guy in that I always root for my team to win and rarely am attached to players, off-the-field storylines, etc... I loved watching Favre but was on team Rodgers/Thompson because I didn't have the "he plays hard and I love him, keep him!" attachment.

If it is true that he's being a giant bitch baby about "how he is treated" and this isn't simply a negotiating ploy...

Then I'd rather not trade him for anything. **** him. He retires and we rebuild without the 1st and 3rd round picks we would've gotten for him. He can then get the treatment he deserves from the Jeopardy executive producers.


I'd be happy to let him retire too, but the problem is he doesn't have to retire, right? He can not report and his contract will just continue to sit there on the Packers books. Sure, he wouldn't get paid, but it would still be a problem in the offseason.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Packers/Adams Break Off Extension Talks 

Post#1531 » by humanrefutation » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:16 pm

Not super worried about this. They'll probably franchise him if they want to keep him beyond this season.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1532 » by Kerb Hohl » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:19 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
The Woodley RT thing is what makes me think he's serious about not playing for GB.


Knowing that if this video is true, I have never, ever been an "intangibles over results" guy in that I always root for my team to win and rarely am attached to players, off-the-field storylines, etc... I loved watching Favre but was on team Rodgers/Thompson because I didn't have the "he plays hard and I love him, keep him!" attachment.

If it is true that he's being a giant bitch baby about "how he is treated" and this isn't simply a negotiating ploy...

Then I'd rather not trade him for anything. **** him. He retires and we rebuild without the 1st and 3rd round picks we would've gotten for him. He can then get the treatment he deserves from the Jeopardy executive producers.


I'd be happy to let him retire too, but the problem is he doesn't have to retire, right? He can not report and his contract will just continue to sit there on the Packers books. Sure, he wouldn't get paid, but it would still be a problem in the offseason.


Rodgers isn't getting much younger. He can push this off to next season and forgo $40 million or whatever it is and then what? He becomes hard to trade after this season having taken the full year off, being nearly 39, etc.

He gives up $40 million and another chance at a title to have a harder time finding a destination he wants.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1533 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:24 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
Knowing that if this video is true, I have never, ever been an "intangibles over results" guy in that I always root for my team to win and rarely am attached to players, off-the-field storylines, etc... I loved watching Favre but was on team Rodgers/Thompson because I didn't have the "he plays hard and I love him, keep him!" attachment.

If it is true that he's being a giant bitch baby about "how he is treated" and this isn't simply a negotiating ploy...

Then I'd rather not trade him for anything. **** him. He retires and we rebuild without the 1st and 3rd round picks we would've gotten for him. He can then get the treatment he deserves from the Jeopardy executive producers.


I'd be happy to let him retire too, but the problem is he doesn't have to retire, right? He can not report and his contract will just continue to sit there on the Packers books. Sure, he wouldn't get paid, but it would still be a problem in the offseason.


Rodgers isn't getting much younger. He can push this off to next season and forgo $40 million or whatever it is and then what? He becomes hard to trade after this season having taken the full year off, being nearly 39, etc.

He gives up $40 million and another chance at a title to have a harder time finding a destination he wants.


I'm just saying that letting him retire isn't really an option. They have to either cut or trade him at some point.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1534 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:25 pm

So here's what the "all-in" crowd seems to expect:

- Highest paid QB in football going into his 40's
- Highest paid WR in football going into his 30's
- Highest paid LT in the league
- Top-5 paid DT in the league
- Top-10 paid RB in the league
- Top-10 paid OLB in the league

^^^And somehow still have enough money to pay Jaire who might end up requiring making him the top paid corner in football. This was always going to be a possibility or even likelihood given the cap situation, and yet all I see from Packers Twitter and simpleton casual fans are all caps complaints and memes about how the organization has **** everything up. Will the "all in" crowd actually admit that the strategy was a failure if we don't end this 3-year run with a Super Bowl? Of course not. Just pivot to some other dumb argument where you expect to consistently field the most talented roster in football while completely ignoring the existence of this thing called the "salary cap"...

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1535 » by zmanishere11 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:51 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:So here's what the "all-in" crowd seems to expect:

- Highest paid QB in football going into his 40's
- Highest paid WR in football going into his 30's
- Highest paid LT in the league
- Top-5 paid DT in the league
- Top-10 paid RB in the league
- Top-10 paid OLB in the league

^^^And somehow still have enough money to pay Jaire who might end up requiring making him the top paid corner in football. This was always going to be a possibility or even likelihood given the cap situation, and yet all I see from Packers Twitter and simpleton casual fans are all caps complaints and memes about how the organization has **** everything up. Will the "all in" crowd actually admit that the strategy was a failure if we don't end this 3-year run with a Super Bowl? Of course not. Just pivot to some other dumb argument where you expect to consistently field the most talented roster in football while completely ignoring the existence of this thing called the "salary cap"...

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I'm 100% with you.

The correct move was to go all in LAST YEAR. I will argue for the rest of time that we were a #2 WR from being one of the best offenses ever. We also beat the Bucs with say Tee Higgins.

Instead, the organization drafted for the future. Rodgers puts up an MVP super human year, and they try to go all in for this year. Now your QB and WR are pissed because they see the writing on the wall - I don't blame them at all.

I have no idea what the answer is here, but given that we punted on making any difficult decisions with our free agents for 2021, it's going to cost us some players next year whether we like it or not.

My heart says you have to make every effort to get Rodgers and Davante back together for one more shot at this.

My gut says that's not happening and the best course of action is to just move on. If we have anything in Jordan Love and can get a haul for Davante and Rodgers, the team will be very good next year (and you can pay Jaire / Jenkins).
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1536 » by Profound23 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:14 pm

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Profound23 wrote:Trade Adams to the Raiders, Rodgers to the Broncos

You probably get back 6-7 firsts between the 2 of them....and with that division at least one of those teams is drafting in the top 10 this year. We suck this year, have 3 firsts in the 2022 draft....with at least two of them in the top 10....and three firsts in the 2023 draft with at least one of them in the top 10.


Lol, WHAT?



Maybe I am wrong. What do you think we could get if we traded both to different teams?

I think at least 2 firsts for Adams, I also think at least 3 first for Rodgers. I don't see how you get less than that.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1537 » by Kerb Hohl » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:59 pm

Profound23 wrote:
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Profound23 wrote:Trade Adams to the Raiders, Rodgers to the Broncos

You probably get back 6-7 firsts between the 2 of them....and with that division at least one of those teams is drafting in the top 10 this year. We suck this year, have 3 firsts in the 2022 draft....with at least two of them in the top 10....and three firsts in the 2023 draft with at least one of them in the top 10.


Lol, WHAT?



Maybe I am wrong. What do you think we could get if we traded both to different teams?

I think at least 2 firsts for Adams, I also think at least 3 first for Rodgers. I don't see how you get less than that.


Julio just went for a 2nd and a 4th. I realize there is a difference in age, but Adams only has one year on his deal.

Rodgers I would think 2 1sts, tops. He's not that young anymore and is very expensive and may want a new guaranteed contract wherever he goes.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Love Looks Good 

Post#1538 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:16 pm

RubberSoul wrote:Should have traded both before the draft. Now it will just be an awkward poor chemistry 9-8 type year if Rodgers shows up. I’d rather get some draft capital and build for the future.

After seeing Giannis’s humbleness and general likeability for this long championship run it’s honestly hard to even stomach Rodgers passive aggressive petty ways. Move on.

Edit: Also I don’t doubt for a second that Rodgers toxicity poisoned the well with Adams in regards to his feelings for Packers. Move him before he does more damage.


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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Packers/Adams Break Off Extension Talks 

Post#1539 » by humanrefutation » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:25 pm

With the franchise tag available, and the reality that they'd have to pay him like a franchise WR to sign a longterm deal, what's the incentive for them to cave right now?
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Packers/Adams Break Off Extension Talks 

Post#1540 » by Kerb Hohl » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:51 pm

humanrefutation wrote:With the franchise tag available, and the reality that they'd have to pay him like a franchise WR to sign a longterm deal, what's the incentive for them to cave right now?


I'm bad with NFL cap and how extensions work but the only thing I could think of here would be that you could structure it "better" for the future than going Y2Y.

Otherwise, you're right - and I'd go the path you are suggesting and they seem to be going with.

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