Hal’s Draft Thread

[steefP2]

I’ll just say about Vrenz that as a fellow Belgian I want nothing more than him to succeed but I really do feel like that’s an extreme long shot. He can pass, handle and shoot ok while being tall as ****. That’s good obviously but he’s soooo soft, his body is the furthest from inspiring and the Belgian league is really terrible.

If he gets drafted, I doubt we him see him stateside before 2-3 years from now. He’d 90% be a draft and stash guy imo


Even if he does come over he’s a long term project so just adjust expectations accordingly

[BillessuR6]

If Petrušev actually falls this low, he should be the pick. This guy is an NBA player and to get that at 45 is a steal. Sure, he will never be a good defender but he can have a Vucevic type impact if he develops.

I am certain he will be at least a nice rotation player in the NBA. To get a good back up big at 45 is a no brainer, IMO.

[winsomme2]

I actually agree, to some extent. We have so many (probably too many) players age 23 or younger as it is, especially with Moses Brown added to the team and Madar possibly making the team.

That's why my top 2 choices for who we should target with this pick are both guys who are likely to spend a year (maybe 2) stashed overseas or stashed on our G-League team but after that they both have super high upside / high ceiling, like really good potential. I have them both ranked as top 20 prospects in this class yet both will likely still be on the board at no. 45. Both sleeper picks who IMO could turn out to be the steal of the draft when it's all said and done.

So you can have your cake and eat it too. They wouldn't take up a roster spot next year (and possibly not the year after either) so we can fill out our roster with veterans, while at the same time we've got a guy stashed away developing, working on his game, working on his body so eventually he could end up being a damn good NBA player.

Those 2 guys are Juhann Begarin and Santi Aldama.

Vrenz Bleijenbergh, Isaiah Todd and Greg Brown also fit this description - guys who are young and raw but have super high upside / high ceiling so we could stash them (either overseas or on G league team) for 1, maybe even 2 yrs..

With that being said, if we trim some of the fat by getting rid of guys like Ojeleye, Edwards, Waters, Kornet, Fall (maybe even Parker and Thompson) now there's enough roster spots open for us to add some good veteran players AND add a solid player here with our 45th pick. This is a very deep draft. And after the first 5 or 10 players, the players ranked 11-50 for the most part are fairly interchangeable. So you could get a player with 45th pick who's actually just as good (if not better) than many of the players taken in the 1st round..

This is ridiculous. Yep, that's it.

Absolutely ludicrous analysis.

There is high variability this year. There's no way to argue against that. I might not say it reaches as high as the lottery but starting at pick 20 you are seeing huge swings in draft predictions.

You can argue that draft experts have a high degree of failure but they have some expertise and they DO NOT agree on the prospects this year.

That's why you are seeing guys like Hyland, Primo, McBride, and Grimes mid-first round on some draft boards and around our pick on others.

That's why you see long term first rounders like Dosunmu, Ayayi, Sharife Cooper, and Tre Mann sinking to the second round.

Josh Christopher, Isaiah Todd, BJ Boston, JT Thor. Trey Murphy was a fringe first rounder and now some are oushing him close to the lottery.

There is HIGH variability this year. That's not us message boarders speculating. That's draft analysts.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

This is ridiculous. Yep, that's it.

Absolutely ludicrous analysis.

There is high variability this year. There's no way to argue against that. I might not say it reaches as high as the lottery but starting at pick 20 you are seeing huge swings in draft predictions.

You can argue that draft experts have a high degree of failure but they have some expertise and they DO NOT agree on the prospects this year.

That's why you are seeing guys like Hyland, Primo, McBride, and Grimes mid-first round on some draft boards and around our pick on others.

That's why you see long term first rounders like Dosunmu, Ayayi, Sharife Cooper, and Tre Mann sinking to the second round.

Josh Christopher, Isaiah Todd, BJ Boston, JT Thor. Trey Murphy was a fringe first rounder and now some are oushing him close to the lottery.

There is HIGH variability this year. That's not us message boarders speculating. That's draft analysts.

Correct, there is high variability, but to say picks 11-61 are interchangeable is absolutely ludicrous.

[aporel18]

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Amar Sylla would be the perfect UDFA signing into a 2-way contract. He'll need at least 2-3 years to develop as a forward, as a kid he used to play as a big, so he needs time to learn the position and the skills needed.

IMO, he won't progress in Europe, as he's too raw to get minutes against Euroleague quality oposition. He'd thrive in the NBA because of his physical profile, but he's not there yet.

with #45, if you can get Petrusev, Aldama or Todd, you pick either of them. They project as solid starters, or at least, useful rotation players. Picking Petrusev and signing Sylla to a 2-way contract would be an 'A' Draft for POBO Brad.

[CeltsfaninDC]

I'm done with hoping for the one guy that we happen to draft in the 2nd round turning into Ginobili. We've stashed guys, we've held onto a whole team of end-of-the-bench guys for a few years now. If this team is going to truly make a push then we need to stop looking for unicorns in the 2ndR and start finding younger vets that can fill holes on the roster and step in when needed. We have a bunch of midgets and a giant on the bench now and not one of them can help this team win.

I guess I'm being negative for wanting this team to give Tatum the tools he needs to get a banner

Signing veterans over rookies is better, no debate. BUT we don't have the money/cap space for 5 vets. But we still have scrubs at least 5 scrubs to replace, such as Semi-T Waters-Edwards-Tacko (so sorry I said that) TT (yes I said that) Grant Williams (not a scrub, but not a real answer either) Romeo (who the hell knows??)

So one talented second rder doesn't hurt the team's age if they are replacing a C Edwards type of talent all while maybe getting a future solid contributor.

Good point, Play hater. A good veteran player costs anywhere from $9-$40 mil a year. You scout well enough and land a good pick in the 2nd round, you're only paying him $1-$3 mil a year, and the contract is not guaranteed, you can cut him at anytime, so much less risk.

LOl..... that is all

[cloverleaf]

Any waffling on this Belgian if he falls to 45?

https://nbadraftroom.com/vrenz-bleijenbergh/

[Celts17Pride]

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Anything can change but it doesn't seem like the Celtics have any intention of getting back in the 1st round of the draft.

[GoGreen]

So the Cs has Nigel Hayes in for a workout. Any thoughts on the guy?

[winsomme2]

Absolutely ludicrous analysis.

There is high variability this year. There's no way to argue against that. I might not say it reaches as high as the lottery but starting at pick 20 you are seeing huge swings in draft predictions.

You can argue that draft experts have a high degree of failure but they have some expertise and they DO NOT agree on the prospects this year.

That's why you are seeing guys like Hyland, Primo, McBride, and Grimes mid-first round on some draft boards and around our pick on others.

That's why you see long term first rounders like Dosunmu, Ayayi, Sharife Cooper, and Tre Mann sinking to the second round.

Josh Christopher, Isaiah Todd, BJ Boston, JT Thor. Trey Murphy was a fringe first rounder and now some are oushing him close to the lottery.

There is HIGH variability this year. That's not us message boarders speculating. That's draft analysts.

Correct, there is high variability, but to say picks 11-61 are interchangeable is absolutely ludicrous.

Meh.
Maybe not completely interchangeable but couldn't you see:

Miles McBride, Quentin Grimes, Isaiah Todd, Joe Wieskamp

flip-flopping (when we look back at this draft) with

Moses Moody, Kai Jones, Franz Wagner, Davion Mitchell


The first group is long projected second rounders. The second group is long projected lottery picks.

There is definitely some potential interchangeability here. Which part of what makes this draft pretty fascinating.


You could definitely see some of the best teams in the league adding better players this year than some of the worst.

BKN,Utah, PHI, MIL, PHO, LAL, Clips, DEN etc could all end up picking picking great players...

[Parliament10]

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Both Jalen Green and Jonathan Kuminga were on/in the G-League "Ignite" team/program, this past year.

[captain green]

So the Cs has Nigel Hayes in for a workout. Any thoughts on the guy?

I actually like Nigel good sign

[Hal14]

Any waffling on this Belgian if he falls to 45?

https://nbadraftroom.com/vrenz-bleijenbergh/

I like Vrenz. Very intriguing prospect.

His ceiling is being a Kukoc / Turkoglu type guy.Would be a solid pick if he's still there at 45..

[Hal14]

Absolutely ludicrous analysis.

There is high variability this year. There's no way to argue against that. I might not say it reaches as high as the lottery but starting at pick 20 you are seeing huge swings in draft predictions.

You can argue that draft experts have a high degree of failure but they have some expertise and they DO NOT agree on the prospects this year.

That's why you are seeing guys like Hyland, Primo, McBride, and Grimes mid-first round on some draft boards and around our pick on others.

That's why you see long term first rounders like Dosunmu, Ayayi, Sharife Cooper, and Tre Mann sinking to the second round.

Josh Christopher, Isaiah Todd, BJ Boston, JT Thor. Trey Murphy was a fringe first rounder and now some are oushing him close to the lottery.

There is HIGH variability this year. That's not us message boarders speculating. That's draft analysts.

Correct, there is high variability, but to say picks 11-61 are interchangeable is absolutely ludicrous.

What I actually said was "the players ranked 11-50 for the most part are fairly interchangeable"

You said "There is high variability"

Are we really saying things that are that different?

I suppose what I really meant was "there's really high variance with where people have a lot of players ranked who are projected to go in the 4-55 range"... I guess I didn't think I'd get troll'd this bad b wording it slightly differently..

[Hal14]

So the Cs has Nigel Hayes in for a workout. Any thoughts on the guy?

I actually like Nigel good sign

I posted some thoughts in the offseason thread, since he's 26 and already played in the NBA before so he's just a free agent we might sign, rather than a potential draft pick

[Hal14]

If Petrušev actually falls this low, he should be the pick. This guy is an NBA player and to get that at 45 is a steal. Sure, he will never be a good defender but he can have a Vucevic type impact if he develops.

I am certain he will be at least a nice rotation player in the NBA. To get a good back up big at 45 is a no brainer, IMO.

But do we need another center when we already have Horford, Williams, Thompson and Brown? Especially a center who can't play defense.

I see the Vucevic comparison, but I think Vucevic is a little more mobile, better rebounder, better passer and better ability to handle the ball and make plays off the dribble. Petrusev can improve in those areas but IDK, I think he could be a defensive liability and I don't think we need more centers.

[Hal14]

I’ll just say about Vrenz that as a fellow Belgian I want nothing more than him to succeed but I really do feel like that’s an extreme long shot. He can pass, handle and shoot ok while being tall as ****. That’s good obviously but he’s soooo soft, his body is the furthest from inspiring and the Belgian league is really terrible.

If he gets drafted, I doubt we him see him stateside before 2-3 years from now. He’d 90% be a draft and stash guy imo


Even if he does come over he’s a long term project so just adjust expectations accordingly

He's definitely a finesse player, who needs to add strength/muscle.

If he can do that and if he can work on his game more, I think he could develop into a Kukoc / Turkoglu type of player. Even is he's a slightly worse version of Kukoc / Turkoglu that's still a solid player. His ability to handle the ball, shoot, pass and his quickness for a dude who's 6'11"...guys like that don't grow on trees.

[playa-hater]

I’ll just say about Vrenz that as a fellow Belgian I want nothing more than him to succeed but I really do feel like that’s an extreme long shot. He can pass, handle and shoot ok while being tall as ****. That’s good obviously but he’s soooo soft, his body is the furthest from inspiring and the Belgian league is really terrible.

If he gets drafted, I doubt we him see him stateside before 2-3 years from now. He’d 90% be a draft and stash guy imo


Even if he does come over he’s a long term project so just adjust expectations accordingly

Everything you are saying could be true or can become true. But it is hard to tell for sure sometimes. Giannis had the same knocks against him with his even slighter build. Same for Poku. Vrenz may have a lower floor. But drafting him one has to assume Boston believes they can get him to the point where he can overcome his weaknesses. The Big difference is Vrenz won't be costing Boston a first rd pick. So why not swing for the fences.

[playa-hater]

Any waffling on this Belgian if he falls to 45?

https://nbadraftroom.com/vrenz-bleijenbergh/

at 45 he be a great low risk good reward draft pick IMO.

[playa-hater]

So the Cs has Nigel Hayes in for a workout. Any thoughts on the guy?

Gerald Green improved a lot after going over seas. maybe he has as well. so at least kick the tires.