2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[ItsDanger]

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[Salted Meat]

With talk that the Raptors have inquired about swapping the 3rd and 4th picks, and the additional talk of Cleveland shopping Kevin Love, how about this:

Cleveland trades Kevin Love, Colin Sexton, 3rd overall pick
for
Pascal Siakam, 4th overall pick.

Cavs get a legit All-Star/All-NBA player, and with the 4th pick, they can select Jalen Suggs, who is a much better facilitator and allows them to avoid spending a bunch of cap space on a Colin Sexton extension. They also get out of Kevin Love's contract.

Toronto gets Kevin Love, who can not only space the floor and open up OG Anunoby's emerging offensive game, but provide much needed rebounding and passing from PF spot, a very talented lead scoring guard in Sexton, and they can use the pick to select Evan Mobley.

Raptors
VanVleet/Flynn
Sexton/Trent Jr.
Anunoby/Watanabe
Love/Boucher
Mobley/Gillespie

[agkagk]

With talk that the Raptors have inquired about swapping the 3rd and 4th picks, and the additional talk of Cleveland shopping Kevin Love, how about this:

Cleveland trades Kevin Love, Colin Sexton, 3rd overall pick
for
Pascal Siakam, 4th overall pick.

Cavs get a legit All-Star/All-NBA player, and with the 4th pick, they can select Jalen Suggs, who is a much better facilitator and allows them to avoid spending a bunch of cap space on a Colin Sexton extension. They also get out of Kevin Love's contract.

Toronto gets Kevin Love, who can not only space the floor and open up OG Anunoby's emerging offensive game, but provide much needed rebounding and passing from PF spot, a very talented lead scoring guard in Sexton, and they can use the pick to select Evan Mobley.

Raptors
VanVleet/Flynn
Sexton/Trent Jr.
Anunoby/Watanabe
Love/Boucher
Mobley/Gillespie

Let’s assume pascal and sexton are of equal value (it’s arguable).

Is moving from 4 to 3 worth taking on loves poopy contract?

We would need significant futures from Cleveland to do this.

I wonder if a more fair offer might be something like

pascal and a heavily protected future 1st

For love and the 3rd pick

[RapsFanInOhio]

What are these guys smoking??

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/07/21/nba-rumors-toronto-raptors-philadelphia-76ers-trade-is-focused-on-ben-simmons-to-toronto/

Toronto Raptors Receive:
G/F Ben Simmons

Philadelphia 76ers Receive:
G Fred VanVleet,
G/F Rodney Hood,
C Aron Baynes,
No. 4 pick,
No. 46 pick,
No. 47 pick,
2023 first-round pick

I get the sense that’s somewhere in the ballpark of where Morey values him, too - in typical Morey fashion. I maybe consider that without the 4th pick but Suggs plus all of that is way too much.

Simmons is probably the player in the league with the most variance in opinion around the league. Some teams will probably pay a little higher price to gamble on his potential. Most teams will probably not pay anything because there’s a very good chance he’s an expensive role player who can’t play in the 4th quarter.

[Morris_Shatford]

Cleveland trades Kevin Love, Colin Sexton, 3rd overall pick
for
Pascal Siakam, 4th overall pick.

I think we generally underestimate how bad Loves contract is;
He is owned 60m over the next two seasons, has played between 22 and 60 games over the last five seasons, and will be 33 on opening day.

The Cavs will need to attach a significant asset to get him off their books.

While this may sound crazy
Siakam for Love and 3 is likely closer in terms of value (The Raps likely are adding "stuff") but I don't think we include 4 if Love is coming back in a Siakam deal.

[_MidNight_]

What pick value is Ingram worth in this draft?

[Fast_Feets]

With talk that the Raptors have inquired about swapping the 3rd and 4th picks, and the additional talk of Cleveland shopping Kevin Love, how about this:

Cleveland trades Kevin Love, Colin Sexton, 3rd overall pick
for
Pascal Siakam, 4th overall pick.

Cavs get a legit All-Star/All-NBA player, and with the 4th pick, they can select Jalen Suggs, who is a much better facilitator and allows them to avoid spending a bunch of cap space on a Colin Sexton extension. They also get out of Kevin Love's contract.

Toronto gets Kevin Love, who can not only space the floor and open up OG Anunoby's emerging offensive game, but provide much needed rebounding and passing from PF spot, a very talented lead scoring guard in Sexton, and they can use the pick to select Evan Mobley.

Raptors
VanVleet/Flynn
Sexton/Trent Jr.
Anunoby/Watanabe
Love/Boucher
Mobley/Gillespie

Big NO to kevin Love

[Spida888]

Cleveland trades Kevin Love, Colin Sexton, 3rd overall pick
for
Pascal Siakam, 4th overall pick.

I think we generally underestimate how bad Loves contract is;
He is owned 60m over the next two seasons, has played between 22 and 60 games over the last five seasons, and will be 33 on opening day.

The Cavs will need to attach a significant asset to get him off their books.

While this may sound crazy
Siakam for Love and 3 is likely closer in terms of value (The Raps likely are adding "stuff") but I don't think we include 4 if Love is coming back in a Siakam deal.

I agree.

Siakam is much better than Sexton and I'm not even an avid Siakam fan. Pascal has proven it on a big stage, but Sexton has just proven he's a good-stats-bad-team guy that wants to get paid.

Siakam + SRP(s) for Love + #3 (don't really see Cavs doing it though). Or #4 + Future Protected FRP for #3.

[Morris_Shatford]

What pick value is Ingram worth in this draft?

He is likely somewhere in the 3-6 range.
Right now the Peli's are all in on Operation Keep Zion, I figure if Ingram is moved its likely in a package for a legit star.

[Morris_Shatford]

Siakam + SRP(s) for Love + #3 (don't really see Cavs doing it though). Or #4 + Future Protected FRP for #3.

The more I think about the Siakam and stuff for Love and 3 the more I think I am wrong on it.

I think Siakam is too old for their potential compete window.

If you are pitching Sexton for likely picks or prospects you are at least two years away from really having an idea of what you have.
While Loves contract is putrid its really just a season away from being a somewhat useful 30m expiring contract and if he comes back healthy and shows any degree of ability you can likely do better dealing him at the deadline if need be with less incentives attached than now.

The Cavs are better suited creating an Allen/Mobley front-court which will eventually create all the same problems as a Turner/Sabonis front-court (which is a fine problem to have) than moving Loves contract for a longer Siakam contract that will win them games they don't want to win.

The second deal;
When it comes to prospects, everyone has an opinion that they deny having had two years later about every draft.

My soon to be denied opinion is I don't think the talent difference between Green/Mobley/Suggs is worth a 2022 FRP;
I am perfectly content to take whomever drops and then figure out what to do the player after the fact.

[Spida888]

Siakam + SRP(s) for Love + #3 (don't really see Cavs doing it though). Or #4 + Future Protected FRP for #3.

The more I think about the Siakam and stuff for Love and 3 the more I think I am wrong on it.

I think Siakam is too old for their potential compete window.

If you are pitching Sexton for likely picks or prospects you are at least two years away from really having an idea of what you have.
While Loves contract is putrid its really just a season away from being a somewhat useful 30m expiring contract and if he comes back healthy and shows any degree of ability you can likely do better dealing him at the deadline if need be with less incentives attached than now.

The Cavs are better suited creating an Allen/Mobley front-court which will eventually create all the same problems as a Turner/Sabonis front-court (which is a fine problem to have) than moving Loves contract for a longer Siakam contract that will win them games they don't want to win.

The second deal;
When it comes to prospects, everyone has an opinion that they deny having had two years later about every draft.

My soon to be denied opinion is I don't think the talent difference between Green/Mobley/Suggs is worth a 2022 FRP;
I am perfectly content to take whomever drops and then figure out what to do the player after the fact.

I agree with your assessment on the first deal with Siakam. Also, I don't think it increases their talent level enough to be competing right away.

As for the second deal, sure if the FO doesn't see much of a difference in talent in Green/Mobley/Suggs, then yeah they won't give up an additional FRP. However, if FO thinks there's a talent gap, we should go for it especially if we keep Siakam and compete next year (FRP will end up being in the teens or lower).

OTOH if we plan on trading Siakam for draft compensation later meaning we will likely suck next year, then I'd be more wary of trading the FRP or at least try to protect it more.

[alpngso]

What pick value is Ingram worth in this draft?

He is likely somewhere in the 3-6 range.
Right now the Peli's are all in on Operation Keep Zion, I figure if Ingram is moved its likely in a package for a legit star.

if that's the case Cleveland should definitely trade that pick for Ingram fetch a lottery pick with Sexton

[Saul Goodman]

If Masai wants to go full Kevin Costner in draft day…


Trade 1

Chris Boucher to NY for #19 and Kevin Knox




Trade 2

Pascal siakam to golden state for Wiggins/7/14/wiseman



Trade 3

7/14/19 to Cleveland for #3




Draft:

Jalen Suggs at #3

Scottie Barnes #4







Sign and trade Lowry to LAL for Harrell, KCP, 2027 1st


Re sign Trent


Wiseman/Harrell
OG/Barnes
Wiggins/KCP
Suggs/Trent
Fred/Flynn



This team could end up still being a playoff team next season or a lotto team but it has so much raw potential to grow with .

[Morris_Shatford]

If Masai wants to go full Kevin Costner in draft day…
Trade 1

Chris Boucher to NY for #19 and Kevin Knox

I am a believer that he should have just shaken down the Jacksonville GM for 6 then taken Vontae Mack and Ray Jennings back to back Granted, you do lose David Putney this scenario but I feel with the savings of having to pay Mack #7 money rather than #1 money you could have addressed it in free agency.

As for the above deal;
I like it.

You likely aren't going to pay Boucher next summer anyway so you open a small amount of space going from him to Knox;
Take a flyer on Knox and maybe play him in his position for a season and draft 19th.

I am pro.
Call up the Knicks and make it happen!

[Spida888]

If Masai wants to go full Kevin Costner in draft day…


Trade 1

Chris Boucher to NY for #19 and Kevin Knox




Trade 2

Pascal siakam to golden state for Wiggins/7/14/wiseman



Trade 3

7/14/19 to Cleveland for #3




Draft:

Jalen Suggs at #3

Scottie Barnes #4







Sign and trade Lowry to LAL for Harrell, KCP, 2027 1st


Re sign Trent


Wiseman/Harrell
OG/Barnes
Wiggins/KCP
Suggs/Trent
Fred/Flynn



This team could end up still being a playoff team next season or a lotto team but it has so much raw potential to grow with .

I was with you until I saw Scottie Barnes . Two of Green/Mobley/Suggs would be awesome. I would only consider Barnes/Kuminga if we kept the #7 pick.

[Bruin]

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[sidsid]

What are these guys smoking??

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/07/21/nba-rumors-toronto-raptors-philadelphia-76ers-trade-is-focused-on-ben-simmons-to-toronto/

Toronto Raptors Receive:
G/F Ben Simmons

Philadelphia 76ers Receive:
G Fred VanVleet,
G/F Rodney Hood,
C Aron Baynes,
No. 4 pick,
No. 46 pick,
No. 47 pick,
2023 first-round pick

I get the sense that’s somewhere in the ballpark of where Morey values him, too - in typical Morey fashion. I maybe consider that without the 4th pick but Suggs plus all of that is way too much.

Simmons is probably the player in the league with the most variance in opinion around the league. Some teams will probably pay a little higher price to gamble on his potential. Most teams will probably not pay anything because there’s a very good chance he’s an expensive role player who can’t play in the 4th quarter.

Morey is likely looking for the pure upgrade on Ben + multiple assets, but assuming those aren't available (no Dame), he has to get high quality assets for future flips. He's really only getting the 4th here.

It's still too much on our end. I'd look to flip the 4th to OKC for the 6th and 3 or so future firsts (of varying quality). We give the 6th to Morey assuming he's happy with what falls there on draft night and one of those extra picks (not our own 2023 pick). That I could see as manageable. I mean if Barnes falls there he's basically got a poor man's Ben to add to FVV and some picks.

We're not in a position to be shedding multiple picks with a Ben acquisition. Something like this would mitigate it.

[CanadaB-Ball]

If Masai wants to go full Kevin Costner in draft day…


Trade 1

Chris Boucher to NY for #19 and Kevin Knox




Trade 2

Pascal siakam to golden state for Wiggins/7/14/wiseman



Trade 3

7/14/19 to Cleveland for #3




Draft:

Jalen Suggs at #3

Scottie Barnes #4







Sign and trade Lowry to LAL for Harrell, KCP, 2027 1st


Re sign Trent


Wiseman/Harrell
OG/Barnes
Wiggins/KCP
Suggs/Trent
Fred/Flynn



This team could end up still being a playoff team next season or a lotto team but it has so much raw potential to grow with .

Did you just do all that to pick Suggs and Barnes over Mobley?

[Saul Goodman]

If Masai wants to go full Kevin Costner in draft day…


Trade 1

Chris Boucher to NY for #19 and Kevin Knox




Trade 2

Pascal siakam to golden state for Wiggins/7/14/wiseman



Trade 3

7/14/19 to Cleveland for #3




Draft:

Jalen Suggs at #3

Scottie Barnes #4







Sign and trade Lowry to LAL for Harrell, KCP, 2027 1st


Re sign Trent


Wiseman/Harrell
OG/Barnes
Wiggins/KCP
Suggs/Trent
Fred/Flynn



This team could end up still being a playoff team next season or a lotto team but it has so much raw potential to grow with .

Did you just do all that to pick Suggs and Barnes over Mobley?

Yeah my bad lol



Mobely/Wiseman
Og
Wiggins
Trent
Fred/Suggs

[alpngso]

Lowry (S/T) + @ <=> Bledsoe or Adams + NAW + 24’ Unprotected Lakers 1st rd + 21’ NOP pick #35

if Lowry is ok with going to New Orleans