New York Knicks have picks 19, 21 & 32...

[EMG518]

Of the 3 guys I named, Butler and Kispert are both guys with a few years of college under their belt and I would trade up for them. Springer is a freshman but trading up for someone doesn't mean drafting a project to me. I personally think we should take the best prospect with every pick. I think we can sign role players to fill needs in free agency. We don't need to turn down the opportunity of getting potentially a real nice player on a cheap contract for a guaranteed role player. If we had the team filled out and just made the NBA Finals I get drafting for fit with the 20th pick.

[lloydj]

#32 Ethan Thompson

[Stillwater]

This draft is deep enough where you may not get too many trade down takers other than moving up 2 spots or something. 19 and the early 2nd for 17 from MEM or maybe 19 & 21 for 13 or 14. then flip the 32 to a team wanting to draft a INTL prospect at 32 instead of the fixed salary of a late first.

[Stillwater]

I actually love Butler...at 19. I hope I don't come across as down on him. Especially if we're talking Knicks. I think hes a plug and play player. Both of my guys are plug and play players. Potential isn't really as important to me TBH. I'll take it if you got it, but it's not a condition if you getting the job. Are you good and can you produce or can you not produce. I'm looking for rookies with the impact of Quickley moreso than the potential of Knox or Ntilikina. So with that said that's why I'd prefer to stay put and pick up Duarte and Butler, Ayo...guys like that.

If you're not gonna fully take my advice then meet me halfway. Grab at least one upperclassmen like Duarte and then if you wanna bet on potential with Cooper, Zaire, and so forth go knock yourselves out.

I have NY taking Garuba if they are lucky enough he falls to 19 & Cam Thomas 21 then taking a older win now prospect like Matt Mitchell the SDSU product at 32.

[Wizop]

This draft is deep enough where you may not get too many trade down takers other than moving up 2 spots or something. 19 and the early 2nd for 17 from MEM or maybe 19 & 21 for 13 or 14. then flip the 32 to a team wanting to draft a INTL prospect at 32 instead of the fixed salary of a late first.

Who would you need to see still on the board at 13 to make you give up 2 firsts? It'd have to be someone Pacers wouldn't be happy taking.

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[Stillwater]

This draft is deep enough where you may not get too many trade down takers other than moving up 2 spots or something. 19 and the early 2nd for 17 from MEM or maybe 19 & 21 for 13 or 14. then flip the 32 to a team wanting to draft a INTL prospect at 32 instead of the fixed salary of a late first.

Who would you need to see still on the board at 13 to make you give up 2 firsts? It'd have to be someone Pacers wouldn't be happy taking.

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Not a NY fan but I would definitely give up both for firsts for Springer at 13 since he will probably be in play at 14 but I definitely would do it for Moody Kai Jones or Sengun.

[Wizop]

Not a NY fan but I would definitely give up both for firsts for Springer at 13 since he will probably be in play at 14 but I definitely would do it for Moody Kai Jones or Sengun.

Sengun not a Pacer fit and while I like Kai he's risky. Pacers probably take Moody or Mitchell but if both gone and I'm in charge . . .

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[Nazrmohamed]

This draft is deep enough where you may not get too many trade down takers other than moving up 2 spots or something. 19 and the early 2nd for 17 from MEM or maybe 19 & 21 for 13 or 14. then flip the 32 to a team wanting to draft a INTL prospect at 32 instead of the fixed salary of a late first.

Who would you need to see still on the board at 13 to make you give up 2 firsts? It'd have to be someone Pacers wouldn't be happy taking.

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Davion Mitchel. I've said lately we don't need to draft a PG many times so this will sound hypocritical of me. But that's because I don't like the selection at 19 and beyond. Davion is different. I can start Davion tomorrow night.
Moses Moody is someone I'd trade up for.

Beyond that Idk if I'd trade up or rather just use both picks to land an established nba player. It'd be hilari6eatchibv fans balk at giving up 3 first rounders for guys in the league averaging 20plus points but it's fine to do so for a draft prospect. You have to question one's value system cuz you still ain't getting transformative players at pick 13 cmon. I mean it's happened I'm sure someone ready to tell me bout Gianness and Kawhi but I'm betting the field

[Stillwater]

Not a NY fan but I would definitely give up both for firsts for Springer at 13 since he will probably be in play at 14 but I definitely would do it for Moody Kai Jones or Sengun.

Sengun not a Pacer fit and while I like Kai he's risky. Pacers probably take Moody or Mitchell but if both gone and I'm in charge . . .

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I thought the question is what player would New York be willing to trade up for at 13 or 14 not who's a good fit for Indiana. But if ither Sengun Jones are available there high odds they are the bpa and some team would give up 2 later picks to steal one. Springer is a sleeper who would be a really smart pick for NY but i doubt their win now fans would accept the choice

[Wizop]

I thought the question is what player would New York be willing to trade up for at 13 or 14 not who's a good fit for Indiana. But if either Sengun Jones are available there high odds they are the bpa and some team

Two sides of same coin. There must be a player at 13 the Knicks think is better than what they can get at 19, and the Pacers must think the difference is small enough to be offset by getting an additional pick. Sengun probably checks both boxes as Pacers don't need a 5.

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[Nazrmohamed]

I actually love Butler...at 19. I hope I don't come across as down on him. Especially if we're talking Knicks. I think hes a plug and play player. Both of my guys are plug and play players. Potential isn't really as important to me TBH. I'll take it if you got it, but it's not a condition if you getting the job. Are you good and can you produce or can you not produce. I'm looking for rookies with the impact of Quickley moreso than the potential of Knox or Ntilikina. So with that said that's why I'd prefer to stay put and pick up Duarte and Butler, Ayo...guys like that.

If you're not gonna fully take my advice then meet me halfway. Grab at least one upperclassmen like Duarte and then if you wanna bet on potential with Cooper, Zaire, and so forth go knock yourselves out.

I have NY taking Garuba if they are lucky enough he falls to 19 & Cam Thomas 21 then taking a older win now prospect like Matt Mitchell the SDSU product at 32.

Garuba can play. I just feel like the Knicks are always so enamored with bigs. Hes like 6'8 and has the skillset of a C offensively. Defensively he's everywhere, I like that. Put it this way, he'll never end up I'm one of my mocksfor the Knicks but if it happened I wouldn't be upset after the fact. I just can't get excited for a big rn, rather just sign DayRon Sharpe at 32 if available since I made my original post my opinion has changed a bit. I'd consider doubling down on wings. My dream scenario is getting Duarte and Murphy and then a big at 32. Could be Sharpe, could be Quetas.

But again, don't take me saying this as if Garuba is a bad player. He looked legit against team USA. I just think of it similar to drafting a RB in the football lottery for us. It's about value

[WargamesX]

I actually love Butler...at 19. I hope I don't come across as down on him. Especially if we're talking Knicks. I think hes a plug and play player. Both of my guys are plug and play players. Potential isn't really as important to me TBH. I'll take it if you got it, but it's not a condition if you getting the job. Are you good and can you produce or can you not produce. I'm looking for rookies with the impact of Quickley moreso than the potential of Knox or Ntilikina. So with that said that's why I'd prefer to stay put and pick up Duarte and Butler, Ayo...guys like that.

If you're not gonna fully take my advice then meet me halfway. Grab at least one upperclassmen like Duarte and then if you wanna bet on potential with Cooper, Zaire, and so forth go knock yourselves out.

I have NY taking Garuba if they are lucky enough he falls to 19 & Cam Thomas 21 then taking a older win now prospect like Matt Mitchell the SDSU product at 32.

Garuba can play. I just feel like the Knicks are always so enamored with bigs. Hes like 6'8 and has the skillset of a C offensively. Defensively he's everywhere, I like that. Put it this way, he'll never end up I'm one of my mocksfor the Knicks but if it happened I wouldn't be upset after the fact. I just can't get excited for a big rn, rather just sign DayRon Sharpe at 32 if available since I made my original post my opinion has changed a bit. I'd consider doubling down on wings. My dream scenario is getting Duarte and Murphy and then a big at 32. Could be Sharpe, could be Quetas.

But again, don't take me saying this as if Garuba is a bad player. He looked legit against team USA. I just think of it similar to drafting a RB in the football lottery for us. It's about value

I would be upset because we have 2 PF ahead of him one was the MIP and the other they drafted 8th last year.

[Stillwater]

I have NY taking Garuba if they are lucky enough he falls to 19 & Cam Thomas 21 then taking a older win now prospect like Matt Mitchell the SDSU product at 32.

Garuba can play. I just feel like the Knicks are always so enamored with bigs. Hes like 6'8 and has the skillset of a C offensively. Defensively he's everywhere, I like that. Put it this way, he'll never end up I'm one of my mocksfor the Knicks but if it happened I wouldn't be upset after the fact. I just can't get excited for a big rn, rather just sign DayRon Sharpe at 32 if available since I made my original post my opinion has changed a bit. I'd consider doubling down on wings. My dream scenario is getting Duarte and Murphy and then a big at 32. Could be Sharpe, could be Quetas.

But again, don't take me saying this as if Garuba is a bad player. He looked legit against team USA. I just think of it similar to drafting a RB in the football lottery for us. It's about value

I would be upset because we have 2 PF ahead of him one was the MIP and the other they drafted 8th last year.

Projects as a 5 imo not a 4. He did flash an outside shooting stroke at times but its not his game. His frame and athleticism is top notch though to bang down low day 1

[WargamesX]

Garuba can play. I just feel like the Knicks are always so enamored with bigs. Hes like 6'8 and has the skillset of a C offensively. Defensively he's everywhere, I like that. Put it this way, he'll never end up I'm one of my mocksfor the Knicks but if it happened I wouldn't be upset after the fact. I just can't get excited for a big rn, rather just sign DayRon Sharpe at 32 if available since I made my original post my opinion has changed a bit. I'd consider doubling down on wings. My dream scenario is getting Duarte and Murphy and then a big at 32. Could be Sharpe, could be Quetas.

But again, don't take me saying this as if Garuba is a bad player. He looked legit against team USA. I just think of it similar to drafting a RB in the football lottery for us. It's about value

I would be upset because we have 2 PF ahead of him one was the MIP and the other they drafted 8th last year.

Projects as a 5 imo not a 4. He did flash an outside shooting stroke at times but its not his game. His frame and athleticism is top notch though to bang down low day 1

We’ll have to disagree at 6’8 I just don’t think he has the size to guard the best Centers. The way it is now even 6’10 guys struggle to be Centers in the league.

[Stillwater]

I would be upset because we have 2 PF ahead of him one was the MIP and the other they drafted 8th last year.

Projects as a 5 imo not a 4. He did flash an outside shooting stroke at times but its not his game. His frame and athleticism is top notch though to bang down low day 1

We’ll have to disagree at 6’8 I just don’t think he has the size to guard the best Centers. The way it is now even 6’10 guys struggle to be Centers in the league.

in a positionless NBA the 6'8" freak athlete is king lol

[WargamesX]

Projects as a 5 imo not a 4. He did flash an outside shooting stroke at times but its not his game. His frame and athleticism is top notch though to bang down low day 1

We’ll have to disagree at 6’8 I just don’t think he has the size to guard the best Centers. The way it is now even 6’10 guys struggle to be Centers in the league.

in a positionless NBA the 6'8" freak athlete is king lol

No it’s not a freak athlete at 6’8 is great at center until they run into the relatively common a freak athlete who is 7’1 feet tall playing center in the NBA.

[Stillwater]

We’ll have to disagree at 6’8 I just don’t think he has the size to guard the best Centers. The way it is now even 6’10 guys struggle to be Centers in the league.

in a positionless NBA the 6'8" freak athlete is king lol

No it’s not a freak athlete at 6’8 is great at center until they run into the relatively common a freak athlete who is 7’1 feet tall playing center in the NBA.

Garuba is not a freak athlete smh...
He is however probably the most versatile any position defender in the draft for what that is worth and the sell on him for NY if he is not taken 5 picks higher

[Nazrmohamed]

We’ll have to disagree at 6’8 I just don’t think he has the size to guard the best Centers. The way it is now even 6’10 guys struggle to be Centers in the league.

in a positionless NBA the 6'8" freak athlete is king lol

No it’s not a freak athlete at 6’8 is great at center until they run into the relatively common a freak athlete who is 7’1 feet tall playing center in the NBA.

Exactly. I've toyed and promoted all types of lineups and have considered many variations of small ball lineups. But the one position that to me you never fool around with is C. To me a team needs an actual C. Even 6'10 guys make me nervous unless they have historically long arms but I prefer guys who are 7ft and probably cant do much else but play C. Now there are varying skillsets to be had but it's the guy who's gonna protect the rim and anchor my defense, I don't like getting cute at the position. You wanna put a beefy SF at PF then be my guest. You like 2 SGs or 2 PGs then be my guest. But after you've done all that fooling around the guy standing behind those players should be a legit C with legit C size.

[Nazrmohamed]

I have NY taking Garuba if they are lucky enough he falls to 19 & Cam Thomas 21 then taking a older win now prospect like Matt Mitchell the SDSU product at 32.

Garuba can play. I just feel like the Knicks are always so enamored with bigs. Hes like 6'8 and has the skillset of a C offensively. Defensively he's everywhere, I like that. Put it this way, he'll never end up I'm one of my mocksfor the Knicks but if it happened I wouldn't be upset after the fact. I just can't get excited for a big rn, rather just sign DayRon Sharpe at 32 if available since I made my original post my opinion has changed a bit. I'd consider doubling down on wings. My dream scenario is getting Duarte and Murphy and then a big at 32. Could be Sharpe, could be Quetas.

But again, don't take me saying this as if Garuba is a bad player. He looked legit against team USA. I just think of it similar to drafting a RB in the football lottery for us. It's about value

I would be upset because we have 2 PF ahead of him one was the MIP and the other they drafted 8th last year.

Well we've heard other rumors about Obi used in trades for Sexton. May not happen but you gotta believe Obi is on the trade block. Sucks cuz I think we drafted the wrong type of player for this coach but I'd wish him nothing but the best. Long story short, the moment you hear Garubas name you may as well assume Obis gonna be included in another deal. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Knicks use him and pick 19 to move up even if it's like 3 spots. Obi, without bashing him or his character, simply didn't work out. Maybe it would be wise to cut losses early

[Stillwater]

Garuba can play. I just feel like the Knicks are always so enamored with bigs. Hes like 6'8 and has the skillset of a C offensively. Defensively he's everywhere, I like that. Put it this way, he'll never end up I'm one of my mocksfor the Knicks but if it happened I wouldn't be upset after the fact. I just can't get excited for a big rn, rather just sign DayRon Sharpe at 32 if available since I made my original post my opinion has changed a bit. I'd consider doubling down on wings. My dream scenario is getting Duarte and Murphy and then a big at 32. Could be Sharpe, could be Quetas.

But again, don't take me saying this as if Garuba is a bad player. He looked legit against team USA. I just think of it similar to drafting a RB in the football lottery for us. It's about value

I would be upset because we have 2 PF ahead of him one was the MIP and the other they drafted 8th last year.

Well we've heard other rumors about Obi used in trades for Sexton. May not happen but you gotta believe Obi is on the trade block. Sucks cuz I think we drafted the wrong type of player for this coach but I'd wish him nothing but the best. Long story short, the moment you hear Garubas name you may as well assume Obis gonna be included in another deal. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Knicks use him and pick 19 to move up even if it's like 3 spots. Obi, without bashing him or his character, simply didn't work out. Maybe it would be wise to cut losses early

To be fair the reason I think he plays a small ball 5 role by default is because his offensive limitations are there early on. However if you close at what he was able to do in a short time and the minutes he earned so young in those leagues is pretty uncommon. I think the on court disruption with what appears to be an extremely elite basketball IQ esp for someone who is not a scorer or shooter at a high level yet is kind of an anomaly. I saw him take and make a few corner 3s on occasion that make me think he could be the more athletic slightly bigger version of Tucker worse case