Fantasy Trade Thread

[Kobblehead]

Love is super washed.

like unplayable washed.

And with all due respect to his mental struggles, he's a drag to have in the lockeroom. Very moody and reclusive. Like LeBron once said about him, you either fit out or you fit in. Love has been a dude that has not embraced the group and that's not the kind of guy you want on the team when you're making a run.

[the_process]

Love and Sexton for Tobias and 28th.

Tobias and 28 for CJ .

Either one of those trades will work. Although they probably want to try offering Milton instead of 28 if they are acquiring Sexton.

[Mr Loggins]

Love and sexton for Tobias and 28th.

Tobias and 28 for CJ .

harris at his age and contract doesn’t fit on the cavs timeline

[ProcessDoctor]

MIN out: Rubio, McDaniels, Culver, 2022/2024 FRPs
MIN in: Simmons

PHI out: Simmons, Hill, Maxey, 2023/2027 FRPs
PHI in: Beal, Rubio

WSH out: Beal
WSH in: Maxey, McDaniels, Culver, Hill, MIN 2022/2024 FRPs, PHI 2023/2027 FRPs


Rubio/Milton/FA
Beal/Curry/Joe
Thybulle/FA/#28
Harris/Reed/Tolliver
Embiid/Howard/#50

[Kobblehead]

Beal is a good 3rd banana. He can't be your #1. Not good enough on the ball scoring off the dribble in the halfcourt. Need a go-to guy in the playoffs. Can't just rely on post scoring from Embiid, ball movement to shooters, and Beal using high ball screens to hit pullups from deep. You need a guy capable of cooking one on one.

[ProcessDoctor]

Beal is a good 3rd banana. He can't be your #1. Not good enough on the ball scoring off the dribble in the halfcourt. Need a go-to guy in the playoffs. Can't just rely on post scoring from Embiid, ball movement to shooters, and Beal using high ball screens to hit pullups from deep. You need a guy capable of cooking one on one.

Let me guess, you’d rather trade Ben for Alexander-Walker?

A better iso scorer than Beal would be ideal, but can we really be that picky with Ben right now? I think exchanging him for a 30 ppg All-Star who looks at the rim in the playoffs is best case scenario.

[Kobblehead]

Trading a non-solution for a non-solution is ultimately a waste of time, is it not?

[Kobblehead]

Let me guess, you’d rather trade Ben for Alexander-Walker?

In a heartbeat. As would anyone else that properly appraises skillsets and foresees development trajectories. Walker is the next Ginoboli. Look at his shooting, unassisted bucket scoring, steal and block percentage. Stud in the making.

Bradley Beal ain't that good, man. Heavily assisted scorer. Weak defensive impact.

[ProcessDoctor]

Let me guess, you’d rather trade Ben for Alexander-Walker?

In a heartbeat. As would anyone else that properly appraises skillsets and foresees development trajectories. Walker is the next Ginoboli. Look at his shooting, unassisted bucket scoring, steal and block percentage. Stud in the making.

Bradley Beal ain't that good, man. Heavily assisted scorer. Weak defensive impact.

I don’t think he’ll be the “next Ginobili” anytime soon, and definitely not within the 3-4 years left of Embiids prime. I don’t think we have the luxury of making a move for potential upside right now. A trade like that and Embiid asks out shortly after.

[Kobblehead]

You have to understand that how points are scored is way more important that how many points are scored.

Guys that can't score unassisted buckets in the halfcourt don't have star value. Don't fall for the fake scoring production and make the mistake of thinking they're good enough to be a #1 option.

It's easy to put up huge scoring production if you're on a bad team that is feeding you usage and assisted buckets. Evan Jerami Grant is now a 20+ ppg scorer lol. Bradley Beal scoring 30+ is meaningless. He doesn't have a good enough skillset.

[ProcessDoctor]

You have to understand that how points are scored is way more important that how many points are scored.

Guys that can't score unassisted buckets in the halfcourt don't have star value. Don't fall for the fake scoring production and make the mistake of thinking they're good enough to be a #1 option.

It's easy to put up huge scoring production if you're on a bad team that is feeding you usage and assisted buckets. Evan Jerami Grant is now a 20+ ppg scorer lol. Bradley Beal scoring 30+ is meaningless. He doesn't have a good enough skillset.

I know this has been your thing lately. I’m not disagreeing that the ability to get unassisted buckets is important. I’m disagreeing about the readiness of some of the players you propose we trade for.

Do you accept/realize this team’s entire championship window revolves around Embiid? Do you foresee him being productive and/or available at all in 4 years?

[Kobblehead]

I'm not a subscriber to the whole urgency to maximize an imaginary window with Embiid thing.

If anything, I think we should embrace the upcoming phase three of Embiid and make sure we have a young creation core in place so we can lessen his workload and win a ring with him when he's in post-prime Duncan mode.

Can we move Simmons for a max contract young creator (Fox, Mitchell, Ingram)?

No, then explore rookie contract creators.

If still no, then take the long approach and draft our own creators and bring them along. Maxey will be a 10+ ppg player next year and make major strides.

[the_process]

You have to understand that how points are scored is way more important that how many points are scored.

Guys that can't score unassisted buckets in the halfcourt don't have star value. Don't fall for the fake scoring production and make the mistake of thinking they're good enough to be a #1 option.

It's easy to put up huge scoring production if you're on a bad team that is feeding you usage and assisted buckets. Evan Jerami Grant is now a 20+ ppg scorer lol. Bradley Beal scoring 30+ is meaningless. He doesn't have a good enough skillset.

I know this has been your thing lately. I’m not disagreeing that the ability to get unassisted buckets is important. I’m disagreeing about the readiness of some of the players you propose we trade for.

Do you accept/realize this team’s entire championship window revolves around Embiid? Do you foresee him being productive and/or available at all in 4 years?

I think Walker could be ready for prime time in a couple of years getting a bunch of PT.

But I agree that the Sixers do not have the time for that. Embiid isn't sitting and waiting for rookie contract guys and draft picks to develop. He can't. His body isn't going to hold up. He will be out of the league by 33 at the latest.

[76ciology]

You have to understand that how points are scored is way more important that how many points are scored.

Guys that can't score unassisted buckets in the halfcourt don't have star value. Don't fall for the fake scoring production and make the mistake of thinking they're good enough to be a #1 option.

It's easy to put up huge scoring production if you're on a bad team that is feeding you usage and assisted buckets. Evan Jerami Grant is now a 20+ ppg scorer lol. Bradley Beal scoring 30+ is meaningless. He doesn't have a good enough skillset.

I dont think it’s that meaningless

Wiz scores 20 more points in per 100 possessions with Beal during the playoffs. 14 more points in the regular season. The team is worst on offense with Beal is off the floor in the reg season and in the playoffs.

He’s an average at best scorer on ISO. But I think he’s great scoring by pull-up jumpers off a screen 1.07ppp top 7 in volume in the playoffs.

I think he’d be a good fit. Because the last thing you need is a heavy ISO player with Embiid who’s probably one of the most heavy ISO player in the league

+5.2 ORAPTOR top 11 in the league

And i get your point. He’s not peak CP3, Harden or Doncic where you can just give him the ball and let him create.

[Kobblehead]

You have to understand that how points are scored is way more important that how many points are scored.

Guys that can't score unassisted buckets in the halfcourt don't have star value. Don't fall for the fake scoring production and make the mistake of thinking they're good enough to be a #1 option.

It's easy to put up huge scoring production if you're on a bad team that is feeding you usage and assisted buckets. Evan Jerami Grant is now a 20+ ppg scorer lol. Bradley Beal scoring 30+ is meaningless. He doesn't have a good enough skillset.

I know this has been your thing lately. I’m not disagreeing that the ability to get unassisted buckets is important. I’m disagreeing about the readiness of some of the players you propose we trade for.

Do you accept/realize this team’s entire championship window revolves around Embiid? Do you foresee him being productive and/or available at all in 4 years?

I think Walker could be ready for prime time in a couple of years getting a bunch of PT.

But I agree that the Sixers do not have the time for that.

Honestly, I think he's ready now. He'll be 23 in September. He's already a phenomenal defender. His per-36 scoring numbers are already 18.2 ppg. He's begging for a breakout in 30+ mpg role.

[76ciology]

Top clutch scorers in reg season with atleast 19 games
1.) Dame
2.) Beal
3.) Derozan
4.) Lavine
5.) LeBron
6.) Murray
7.) Harden
8.) Jokic
9.) Steph
10.) Embiid

[ProcessDoctor]

I'm not a subscriber to the whole urgency to maximize an imaginary window with Embiid thing.

Fair. If that's your perspective then I can understand your ideal team-building approach.

Barring something bizarre, I personally don't foresee a championship opportunity after the next 3-4 seasons. I don't think we have much more time in terms of Embiid's health or patience. Ie if he doesn't breakdown physically first, he'll demand a trade (and vice versa) unless we get another top 15-20 player to pair with him.

Too many incorrect decisions have been made post-Hinkie. Not enough materialized from what he collected. The long, high peak we all thought we might have is no longer a reality. Unless we get lucky in the late 1st, there's no franchise player on this roster outside of Embiid.

[Kobblehead]

I think the onus would be on Morey to make Embiid understand and accept the approach. Sit him down and make him feel apart of the process. Be honest with him and admit that the previous regimes effed up by not giving him shotcreators and that we'll correct that starting now. Advise him that we're trying to elongate your championship window by making sure you have a creation core in place to help make your job easier. That's his job as an executive to explain to him why it would be better to build a sustainable model than just trade away everything for a microwaved dinner.

[76ciology]

I think the onus would be on Morey to make Embiid understand and accept the approach. Sit him down and make him feel apart of the process. Advise him that we're trying to elongate your championship window by making sure you have a creation core in place to help make your job easier. That's his job as an executive to explain to him why it would be better to build a sustainable model than just trade away everything for a microwaved dinner.

Not gonna happen.

Look at whats going around the league. Even Zion asks his mommy to tell the Pels to make the team be in win now mode.

And Biid is a really immature player/person (look how much he look as a kid with Jimmy like a big bro and all his antics) that Im pretty sure he wants to get what Giannis got.

Biid does not take this thing with a business approach. Which is a good thing. You need some idealistic spirit for a player to take it to another level. I.E. look at Ben.

sixers have 2 options
- win now and get a top tier star
- breather

[ProcessDoctor]

I think the onus would be on Morey to make Embiid understand and accept the approach. Sit him down and make him feel apart of the process. Advise him that we're trying to elongate your championship window by making sure you have a creation core in place to help make your job easier. That's his job as an executive to explain to him why it would be better to build a sustainable model than just trade away everything for a microwaved dinner.

You're asking Embiid to hinge his prime years on a guard who couldn't get playing time with the New Orleans Pelicans. How easy do you think it'd be easy to convince him of that? Remember, Embiid has already put up with terrible decision-making for 3 years. You're asking him to believe in something that's, quite frankly, very far from being a sure thing.