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Re: 2021 Pick your #45 Player that Likely Won't Play for the Boston Celtics Draft Thread...at least in '21-'22 

Post#1621 » by radcot » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:42 pm

cloverleaf wrote:Any waffling on this Belgian if he falls to 45?

https://nbadraftroom.com/vrenz-bleijenbergh/


:D Good one!
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Post#1622 » by cloverleaf » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:55 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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so basically from what I gather, he is the Belgium version of Giannis. Or should I say the "Belgium freak".. not bad for a 2nd rd pick 8-)


A bit sensitive there re: height. Measurement without shoes is of course more accurate.

Measurement with shoes are the official measurements used by the NBA. They also round up if they're a 1/2 inch over..


https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-nba-player-true-heights-without-shoes-20191018-ctfvnt2rrjgipkhkoq2dbdfwya-story.html
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Post#1623 » by playa-hater » Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:35 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
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A bit sensitive there re: height. Measurement without shoes is of course more accurate.

Measurement with shoes are the official measurements used by the NBA. They also round up if they're a 1/2 inch over..


https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-nba-player-true-heights-without-shoes-20191018-ctfvnt2rrjgipkhkoq2dbdfwya-story.html


For those who have some issues with Larry Bird and what he could do in this era should be reminded that he was 6' 9 without shoes because that was the way he was measured he would absolutely crush and this wide open era. Just needed to say that
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Re: 2021 Pick your #45 Player that Likely Won't Play for the Boston Celtics Draft Thread...at least in '21-'22 

Post#1624 » by Hal14 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:59 am

cloverleaf wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
A bit sensitive there re: height. Measurement without shoes is of course more accurate.

Measurement with shoes are the official measurements used by the NBA. They also round up if they're a 1/2 inch over..


https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-nba-player-true-heights-without-shoes-20191018-ctfvnt2rrjgipkhkoq2dbdfwya-story.html

Old article.

See Clyde21's post in this thread where he says offical measurements are with shoes:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2089937&p=91922189&hilit=with+shoes#p91922189
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Post#1625 » by Hal14 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:45 am

I'm telling you. Begarin and Aldama. These are the 2 guys with the best chance at becoming a star who will still be there at pick 45.

Ideal situation would be picking 1 of them with 45th pick and sign the other as UDFA.

Begarin being this good at age 18 is crazy. He's underrated because he has flown under the radar playing overseas and also since he's so young there's been less time for people in the states to figure out who he is.



After that Vrenz and Isaiah Todd but I have them ranked slightly lower than Begarin and Aldama.

Begarin Seems like a dude who is serious. He means business. He's determined/driven. He's motivated to be the best player he can be. I lIke his makeup. And he seems to be insanely mature for an 18 yr old:
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Post#1626 » by playa-hater » Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:04 am

Hal14 wrote:I'm telling you. Begarin and Aldama. These are the 2 guys with the best chance at becoming a star who will still be there at pick 45.

Ideal situation would be picking 1 of them with 45th pick and sign the other as UDFA.

Begarin being this good at age 18 is crazy. He's underrated because he has flown under the radar playing overseas and also since he's so young there's been less time for people in the states to figure out who he is.



After that Vrenz and Isaiah Todd but I have them ranked slightly lower than Begarin and Aldama.


I am starting to think potential trades coming up (Beal or others) may affect what position and/or players we draft. Normally drafting a 2 guard would be a No no for me, yet Smart-Nesmith-Romeo may be part of a package deal coming up.

This should be an interesting week as we come into the final stretch.
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Post#1627 » by playa-hater » Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:05 am

radcot wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:Any waffling on this Belgian if he falls to 45?

https://nbadraftroom.com/vrenz-bleijenbergh/


:D Good one!


I literally just got this :oops:
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Post#1628 » by Hal14 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:23 am

playa-hater wrote:
Hal14 wrote:I'm telling you. Begarin and Aldama. These are the 2 guys with the best chance at becoming a star who will still be there at pick 45.

Ideal situation would be picking 1 of them with 45th pick and sign the other as UDFA.

Begarin being this good at age 18 is crazy. He's underrated because he has flown under the radar playing overseas and also since he's so young there's been less time for people in the states to figure out who he is.



After that Vrenz and Isaiah Todd but I have them ranked slightly lower than Begarin and Aldama.


I am starting to think potential trades coming up (Beal or others) may affect what position and/or players we draft. Normally drafting a 2 guard would be a No no for me, yet Smart-Nesmith-Romeo may be part of a package deal coming up.

This should be an interesting week as we come into the final stretch.

I think with Begarin being only 18, he's a perfect draft and stash guy for 1-2 yrs. Once he's ready to join the Celtics, by that time we'll have a better idea of who's stay and who's going with Brown/Fournier/Nesmith/Langford. Of course, wings is the the most important position and you usually have at least 2 or 3 (sometimes 4) of them on the court at a time.

Begarin has an explosiveness to him, a burst. Some call him "the French Westbrook". But Begarin is 3 inches taller with potential to be better shooter. Really like Aldama's upside too. Would like if we brought in 1 (or both of them) for a workout. Only 4 more days before the draft though..
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Post#1629 » by Hal14 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:39 am

Vrenz can shoot:

Really good passer too, at 6'11"
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Post#1630 » by cloverleaf » Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:20 am

Hal14 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Measurement with shoes are the official measurements used by the NBA. They also round up if they're a 1/2 inch over..


https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-nba-player-true-heights-without-shoes-20191018-ctfvnt2rrjgipkhkoq2dbdfwya-story.html

Old article.

See Clyde21's post in this thread where he says offical measurements are with shoes:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2089937&p=91922189&hilit=with+shoes#p91922189


And what is Clyde21 basing that on? His take is what looks like old news.
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Post#1631 » by winsomme2 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:47 pm

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-mock-draft-big-board-cade-cunningham-jalen-green-evan-mobley/


really good bigboard that confirms for me that there are definitely going to be talented guys available at 45.

draft and stash
stretch big
floor general
3 and D wings
rim protector

whatever ends up being our focus, there are going to be good options available at 45
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Post#1633 » by Justin33 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:38 pm

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Post#1634 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:06 pm

What happens to this thread when the 45 pick gets traded as salary filler
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Post#1635 » by Feed Your Head » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:09 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:What happens to this thread when the 45 pick gets traded as salary filler


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Post#1636 » by playa-hater » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:04 pm

Hal14 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
Hal14 wrote:I'm telling you. Begarin and Aldama. These are the 2 guys with the best chance at becoming a star who will still be there at pick 45.

Ideal situation would be picking 1 of them with 45th pick and sign the other as UDFA.

Begarin being this good at age 18 is crazy. He's underrated because he has flown under the radar playing overseas and also since he's so young there's been less time for people in the states to figure out who he is.



After that Vrenz and Isaiah Todd but I have them ranked slightly lower than Begarin and Aldama.


I am starting to think potential trades coming up (Beal or others) may affect what position and/or players we draft. Normally drafting a 2 guard would be a No no for me, yet Smart-Nesmith-Romeo may be part of a package deal coming up.

This should be an interesting week as we come into the final stretch.

I think with Begarin being only 18, he's a perfect draft and stash guy for 1-2 yrs. Once he's ready to join the Celtics, by that time we'll have a better idea of who's stay and who's going with Brown/Fournier/Nesmith/Langford. Of course, wings is the the most important position and you usually have at least 2 or 3 (sometimes 4) of them on the court at a time.

Begarin has an explosiveness to him, a burst. Some call him "the French Westbrook". But Begarin is 3 inches taller with potential to be better shooter. Really like Aldama's upside too. Would like if we brought in 1 (or both of them) for a workout. Only 4 more days before the draft though..


he absolutely has a high ceiling.
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Post#1637 » by playa-hater » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:07 pm

Hal14 wrote:Vrenz can shoot:

Really good passer too, at 6'11"


I literally would put myself up vs NBA players as a knock down shooter vs a machine/Net.. It's when actually defenders play me I run into some trouble. 8-)

Flip side..

Vrenz > Giannis :wink:
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Post#1638 » by playa-hater » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:09 pm

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JT Thor is the truth.. No way he lasts to us. trade up!
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Post#1639 » by playa-hater » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:11 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:What happens to this thread when the 45 pick gets traded as salary filler


Or what happens to the doubters when we steal a Gem?? :wink:
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Post#1640 » by cloverleaf » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:34 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:What happens to this thread when the 45 pick gets traded as salary filler


All the more in on Yam as our rook!

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