Evan Mobley - USC

[clyde21]

I disagree. You can move past him if you're getting a franchise PG in Suggs while pickin up assets along the way, especially when there's rumours of you wanting to move your PG. I just dont see the fit.

the Cavs already have their franchise PG in Garland. it's odd that you don't see Mobley but you're talking about them drafting ANOTHER 'franchise PG' when they have Garland are happy with Garland.

and....againnnnnn....Jarrett Allen is a nice player....but he is NOT good enough to pass up on Mobley on under any scenario. they'll take Mobley and trade Allen...it's that simple.

Nothing odd. Suggs and Garland can play together. There's versatility. It happens on basically every nba team. You cant play 2 centres together in modern nba basketball. No team does that. Thus my argument.

I think you're spun, no offense.

yes, and that's why they are gonna take Mobley and trade Allen, because Allen is not good enough to pass up on Mobley.

[buzzkilloton]

To play devils advocate their was a report being put out a week ago that the Rockets were going to decide between the two Jalens at 2 but were leaning towards Green.

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2021/07/18/nba-draft-rockets-rumors-jalen-green-jalen-suggs/

"League sources have said Houston is heavily leaning toward Jalen Green there, but there are people within the Rockets’ decision-making process pushing for Jalen Suggs out of Gonzaga. Green’s potential as a star wing in this league has the Rockets’ focus, but the idea of Suggs grabbing the momentum at some point exists. Scouts and executives love his size at the point guard position and believe he can be the leader of a young, rebuilding team."

per Zach Harper of the atheltic.

I'm not saying its likely just theirs at least a small possibility Suggs goes 2 Green 3 and then Mobley falls. Of course then you would need the Cavs to take Green over Mobley. Rumors have a few NBA execs liking Mobley as the best prospect in the draft even so who knows what teams like him that much. Obv these are just rumors but its enough to let a Raptors fan have some small hope I believe haha.

Personally I'd be completely happy with Suggs at 4 anyways. I think Green/Suggs are close as prospects and both future all stars.

[WuTang_OG]

the Cavs already have their franchise PG in Garland. it's odd that you don't see Mobley but you're talking about them drafting ANOTHER 'franchise PG' when they have Garland are happy with Garland.

and....againnnnnn....Jarrett Allen is a nice player....but he is NOT good enough to pass up on Mobley on under any scenario. they'll take Mobley and trade Allen...it's that simple.

Nothing odd. Suggs and Garland can play together. There's versatility. It happens on basically every nba team. You cant play 2 centres together in modern nba basketball. No team does that. Thus my argument.

I think you're spun, no offense.

yes, and that's why they are gonna take Mobley and trade Allen, because Allen is not good enough to pass up on Mobley.

I'd say you were right if Allen was 30 and Suggs/Barnes/Kuminga werent behind waiting there. Seems like they going to re-up him. Dont see how they'll trade him. Again, moreso a 5050 scenario here. He isn't their #1 guy.

[WuTang_OG]

To play devils advocate their was a report being put out a week ago that the Rockets were going to decide between the two Jalens at 2 but were leaning towards Green.

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2021/07/18/nba-draft-rockets-rumors-jalen-green-jalen-suggs/

"League sources have said Houston is heavily leaning toward Jalen Green there, but there are people within the Rockets’ decision-making process pushing for Jalen Suggs out of Gonzaga. Green’s potential as a star wing in this league has the Rockets’ focus, but the idea of Suggs grabbing the momentum at some point exists. Scouts and executives love his size at the point guard position and believe he can be the leader of a young, rebuilding team."

per Zach Harper of the atheltic.

I'm not saying its likely just theirs at least a small possibility Suggs goes 2 Green 3 and then Mobley falls.

Ya we'll see. Seems Green and his agent acting entitled and not working out for Cavs/Toronto ... they want to dictate their path.

Lots of poker going on right now, luckily only 6 more days of it

[Yallbecrazy]

Green and Cade both seem like a Derozan type with 3 pt shooting, but much worse passing/playmaking unless they develop that which is unlikely, but not impossible. Cade can potentially be an average defender, not Green is going to be very poor. I am very confident that the scouts have it all wrong at the top. Mobley and Suggs are better than both.

[Showtime:Part2]

Maybe I’m just an idiot, but why wouldn’t you just try Mobley/Allen pairing at the 4/5 to start the season? Nobody expects the team to be good anyway, you have nothing to lose trying it for 6 months and if it doesn’t work you can ship Allen out… This guy is insanely good. He looks like a young giannis/Davis/embiid combo and the cave should be thanking their lucky stars Detroit and Houston can’t see this. Davis does not play the 5 for LA FYI… and he’s many miles stronger than Mobley is right now.

[Roger Murdock]

Maybe I’m just an idiot, but why wouldn’t you just try Mobley/Allen pairing at the 4/5 to start the season? Nobody expects the team to be good anyway, you have nothing to lose trying it for 6 months and if it doesn’t work you can ship Allen out… This guy is insanely good. He looks like a young giannis/Davis/embiid combo and the cave should be thanking their lucky stars Detroit and Houston can’t see this. Davis does not play the 5 for LA FYI… and he’s many miles stronger than Mobley is right now.

This is exactly what is going to happen

[Roger Murdock]

It’s funny the last few years everyone on this board said they would take Toppin cuz ‘lol Cleveland’ and everyone said they’d take Culver cause they don’t need Garland

Literally the RGM predictions for Cleveland have been the 2 worst picks possible and instead the Cavs did the right thing both times

Okoro was the right pick?

Only 4 players drafted in the top-10 made an all rookie team and an all went top-5, leaving Okoro as the only one left. As a Cavs fan I wanted Okongwu or Avdija but both have significant injury concerns and neither lit the world on fire (though OO looked good in playoffs).

Okoro will be a nice rotation player. If his shot ever gets up to 36%+ from 3 I think his game expands considerably because he's genuinely good attacking downhill, finishing at the rim, drawing fouls, and drive/kicking. If his shot continues to suck that part of his game gets kinda locked up because guys just play off him.

So as of today the only player I'd rather have that was taken in the lotto and was available is Tyrese Haliburton who wasn't the best fit and also went 7 spots lower. Okoro looks promising and we didn't really pass on anything notable. Hayes, Toppin, Avdija, and Smith all went right after and are looking way rougher.

[clyde21]

Maybe I’m just an idiot, but why wouldn’t you just try Mobley/Allen pairing at the 4/5 to start the season? Nobody expects the team to be good anyway, you have nothing to lose trying it for 6 months and if it doesn’t work you can ship Allen out… This guy is insanely good. He looks like a young giannis/Davis/embiid combo and the cave should be thanking their lucky stars Detroit and Houston can’t see this. Davis does not play the 5 for LA FYI… and he’s many miles stronger than Mobley is right now.

i mean, they probably will and Mobley can play next to another big without a huge problem that's what makes him so intriguing, but eventually you're gonna want to develop Mobley as the 5 and move on from Allen, you just hope Allen can increase his value in that format so u can get something real back for him.

[clyde21]

It’s funny the last few years everyone on this board said they would take Toppin cuz ‘lol Cleveland’ and everyone said they’d take Culver cause they don’t need Garland

Literally the RGM predictions for Cleveland have been the 2 worst picks possible and instead the Cavs did the right thing both times

Okoro was the right pick?

Only 4 players drafted in the top-10 made an all rookie team and an all went top-5, leaving Okoro as the only one left. As a Cavs fan I wanted Okongwu or Avdija but both have significant injury concerns and neither lit the world on fire (though OO looked good in playoffs).

Okoro will be a nice rotation player. If his shot ever gets up to 36%+ from 3 I think his game expands considerably because he's genuinely good attacking downhill, finishing at the rim, drawing fouls, and drive/kicking. If his shot continues to suck that part of his game gets kinda locked up because guys just play off him.

So as of today the only player I'd rather have that was taken in the lotto and was available is Tyrese Haliburton who wasn't the best fit and also went 7 spots lower. Okoro looks promising and we didn't really pass on anything notable. Hayes, Toppin, Avdija, and Smith all went right after and are looking way rougher.

Onyeka, Hali, Hampton, Vassell all would've been better picks

could've been worse too tho.

[Roger Murdock]

Okoro was the right pick?

Only 4 players drafted in the top-10 made an all rookie team and an all went top-5, leaving Okoro as the only one left. As a Cavs fan I wanted Okongwu or Avdija but both have significant injury concerns and neither lit the world on fire (though OO looked good in playoffs).

Okoro will be a nice rotation player. If his shot ever gets up to 36%+ from 3 I think his game expands considerably because he's genuinely good attacking downhill, finishing at the rim, drawing fouls, and drive/kicking. If his shot continues to suck that part of his game gets kinda locked up because guys just play off him.

So as of today the only player I'd rather have that was taken in the lotto and was available is Tyrese Haliburton who wasn't the best fit and also went 7 spots lower. Okoro looks promising and we didn't really pass on anything notable. Hayes, Toppin, Avdija, and Smith all went right after and are looking way rougher.

Onyeka, Hali, Hampton, Vassell all would've been better picks

could've been worse too tho.

Okoro is an acceptable mix of safety and upside. I preferred Vassell for instance because if Okoro shot doesn’t develop Devin will be better. But Okoro will still be a rotation guy worst case.

I think the medium level outcome is Vassell is a 4th/5th guy and Okoro is a 6th/7th

However I think the upside world where Okoros shot develops and he becomes a top 3 guy on a team is worth considering so I understand why we took him there.

[CptCrunch]

Mobley denied Rockets a workout (same for Suggs)

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Don't know if this is a Rockets front office failing or Moab/Suggs not wanting to get drafted by Tillman.

Green to Houston all but confirmed.

[clyde21]

odd seeing players prefer Detroit and Cleveland over Houston but thats what a **** owner will get u.

[yoyoboy]

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Adams measured 6'10.75 barefoot and 7'0 in shoes at the combine. Hard to tell with the way Mobley's angled and standing, but he's gotta be around 7'1.5 in shoes.

[CptCrunch]

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Adams measured 6'10.75 barefoot and 7'0 in shoes at the combine. Hard to tell with the way Mobley's angled and standing, but he's gotta be around 7'1.5 in shoes.

That is a tall man, might be a legit 7' without shoes.

[codydaze]

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Adams measured 6'10.75 barefoot and 7'0 in shoes at the combine. Hard to tell with the way Mobley's angled and standing, but he's gotta be around 7'1.5 in shoes.

Going to be a monster when he puts on some muscle.

[clyde21]

lol @ people who thought he was 6-9 earlier in the thread...he's a legit 7 footer with a 7-5 w/s.

[tyguy]

lol @ people who thought he was 6-9 earlier in the thread...he's a legit 7 footer with a 7-5 w/s.

I think Mobley is the best prospect in the draft. The cavs are very fortunate to appear to have him fall to them.

[DCasey91]

Mobley is a stud muffin 100% in the 1 best of group in the draft class.

Somewhere like Bosh with less scoring/rebounding but more defensive and I suspect a better facilitator.

I cant get too high on his rebounding though. His ORB is good but his hands is what ticks him down a tad. Does snatch, double grab and noodle arm it sometimes, it’s not a strength thing more touch related.

No wear near Garuba bad but still not quite where I’d like it. Jalen Green has great hands and touch on the finish like a feather something that doesn’t show up in the box stats.

His midrange is coming along great and his passing sticks out. Can handle the rock and put it on the floor.

18/9/4/2/1 with All NBA defensive impact and a super high tier ancillary piece to a superstar is $$$. By third year is going to be great news for Mobley fans.

His blocking instincts are incredible and the mobility in his hips makes him all the way versatile just moves effortlessly from spot to spot. Just gotta spend two seasons in the weight room and that’s that.

Skill related he’s obviously top tier stuff.

His mold-ability as we’ve all discussed is insanely high and probably the best in the class.

[GSWFan1994]

Mobley is a stud muffin 100% in the 1 best of group in the draft class.

Somewhere like Bosh with less scoring/rebounding but more defensive and I suspect a better facilitator.

I cant get too high on his rebounding though. His ORB is good but his hands is what ticks him down a tad. Does snatch, double grab and noodle arm it sometimes, it’s not a strength thing more touch related.

No wear near Garuba bad but still not quite where I’d like it. Jalen Green has great hands and touch on the finish like a feather something that doesn’t show up in the box stats.

His midrange is coming along great and his passing sticks out. Can handle the rock and put it on the floor.

18/9/4/2/1 with All NBA defensive impact and a super high tier ancillary piece to a superstar is $$$. By third year is going to be great news for Mobley fans.

His blocking instincts are incredible and the mobility in his hips makes him all the way versatile just moves effortlessly from spot to spot. Just gotta spend two seasons in the weight room and that’s that.

Skill related he’s obviously top tier stuff.

His mold-ability as we’ve all discussed is insanely high and probably the best in the class.

Man, you sound like an used car salesman!

Appreciate your posts though, good analysis.