Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread

[Richard4444]

God damn Knicks we sucked for years but decided to be good (but blown out in playoffs anyway) in a Cade draft. We should have been in position of Rockets, talking with Pistons for #1, if not in position of Pistons itself.

It took Rockets just 0.5/ half season after trading Harden to land a top 2 pick in a meaningful awesome draft. It took Warriors just 1 season (right after a dynasty) to land a top 2 pick (Wiseman).

On other hand, we sucked for DECADES and couldn't land a top 2 pick to save our lives.

Please look at blueprint of other teams' success and copy and paste it, ffs.

1) We tanked in 2019 in a Zion draft and we land RJ.

2) It's harder to tank after the team starts to collect good players and developing chemistry. Players and coaches don't tank. Besides, fans, the front office, and the owner get tired of being bad (willing or not).

3) There are a lot of teams that became contenders without tanking. Especially big market teams. Clippers, Nets, Heat, Bucks, Spurs, etc.

4) Almost every year has a great prospect in the draft like Cade. But the odds to get him is very low. Even to the worst team.

5) It is easy to tank when you have bad contracts/key injury players in the books. That ship has sailed.

6) Personally, I would cogitate to trade Randle if he were massively overpaid. But I understand why we will not do it. We upped a level and built a competitive team. It's not a good time to regress.

[WargamesX]

God damn Knicks we sucked for years but decided to be good (but blown out in playoffs anyway) in a Cade draft. We should have been in position of Rockets, talking with Pistons for #1, if not in position of Pistons itself.

It took Rockets just 0.5/ half season after trading Harden to land a top 2 pick in a meaningful awesome draft. It took Warriors just 1 season (right after a dynasty) to land a top 2 pick (Wiseman).

On other hand, we sucked for DECADES and couldn't land a top 2 pick to save our lives.

Please look at blueprint of other teams' success and copy and paste it, ffs.

1) We tanked in 2019 in a Zion draft and we land RJ.

2) It's harder to tank after the team starts to collect good players and developing chemistry. Players and coaches don't tank. Besides, fans, the front office, and the owner get tired of being bad (willing or not).

3) There are a lot of teams that became contenders without tanking. Especially big market teams. Clippers, Nets, Heat, Bucks, Spurs, etc.

4) Almost every year has a great prospect in the draft like Cade. But the odds to get him is very low. Even to the worst team.

5) It is easy to tank when you have bad contracts/key injury players in the books. That ship has sailed.

6) Personally, I would cogitate to trade Randle if he were massively overpaid. But I understand why we will not do it. We upped a level and built a competitive team. It's not a good time to regress.

Last season was the last “opportunity” to realistically tank for the foreseeable future. The goal now is get better players and attempt to over achieve again.

3 different teams won the last 3 championship and 8 different teams have made the finals in the last 4 years. The Knicks might as well build up and see if they can go all the way. We might be experiencing a parity window.

[Marty McFly]

God damn Knicks we sucked for years but decided to be good (but blown out in playoffs anyway) in a Cade draft. We should have been in position of Rockets, talking with Pistons for #1, if not in position of Pistons itself.

It took Rockets just 0.5/ half season after trading Harden to land a top 2 pick in a meaningful awesome draft. It took Warriors just 1 season (right after a dynasty) to land a top 2 pick (Wiseman).

On other hand, we sucked for DECADES and couldn't land a top 2 pick to save our lives.

Please look at blueprint of other teams' success and copy and paste it, ffs.

1) We tanked in 2019 in a Zion draft and we land RJ.

2) It's harder to tank after the team starts to collect good players and developing chemistry. Players and coaches don't tank. Besides, fans, the front office, and the owner get tired of being bad (willing or not).

3) There are a lot of teams that became contenders without tanking. Especially big market teams. Clippers, Nets, Heat, Bucks, Spurs, etc.

4) Almost every year has a great prospect in the draft like Cade. But the odds to get him is very low. Even to the worst team.

5) It is easy to tank when you have bad contracts/key injury players in the books. That ship has sailed.

6) Personally, I would cogitate to trade Randle if he were massively overpaid. But I understand why we will not do it. We upped a level and built a competitive team. It's not a good time to regress.

the knicks tanked once. it requires as much ingenuity and luck to build a team without a top pick as it does to land the top pick.

[KnixinSix]

Ultimate dream scenario (that actually works under the cap of 112M):

*Lillard might be the guy that gets Kawhi to us so thats basically a 2 for 1 deal right there. We'd have to trade every player making 4+ mill (Obi, Knox, RJ) and renounce almost all cap holds but wed still have Quickley for floor spacing and Mitch for rim defending. Then you turn around and pry SGA from OKC.

So:

-Kawhi in FA

-RJ, Knox, 2021 NYK FRP, 2023 Dal FRP, 2025 FRP, 2024 right to swap for Lillard

-Obi, Vildoza, 2021 Dal pick, 2023 NYK pick, 2026 right to swap for SGA

- Oubre signs for MLE with 'promise' of a nice contract when we can go over the cap to sign him next year.


Projected 2021-22 lineup:

Mitch/ Vet min
Randle/ Vet min/ Oubre
Kawhi / MLE (Oubre)
Lillard/Quickley/SGA
SGA/Lillard / Quickley

*You have SGA to give height, passing and great defense to balance out the backcourt for Lillard and Quicks.
* Kawhi has 2 good passers in the backcourt making his life easier so he won't have to create as much, he also has Oubre as a vaible back up for load management and to beat on his defender a bit
* You are allowed to go over the cap using an MLE and vet mins to fill out the roster
* Starting line up has great balance of practically everything with just slight weakness of shooting at C and defense from Lillard

[Richard4444]

Ultimate dream scenario (that actually works under the cap of 112M):

*Lillard might be the guy that gets Kawhi to us so thats basically a 2 for 1 deal right there. We'd have to trade every player making 4+ mill (Obi, Knox, RJ) and renounce almost all cap holds but wed still have Quickley for floor spacing and Mitch for rim defending. Then you turn around and pry SGA from OKC.

So:

-Kawhi in FA

-RJ, Knox, 2021 NYK FRP, 2023 Dal FRP, 2025 FRP, 2024 right to swap for Lillard

-Obi, Vildoza, 2021 Dal pick, 2023 NYK pick, 2026 right to swap for SGA

- Oubre signs for MLE with 'promise' of a nice contract when we can go over the cap to sign him next year.


Projected 2021-22 lineup:

Mitch/ Vet min
Randle/ Vet min/ Oubre
Kawhi / MLE (Oubre)
Lillard/Quickley/SGA
SGA/Lillard / Quickley

*You have SGA to give height, passing and great defense to balance out the backcourt for Lillard and Quicks.
* Kawhi has 2 good passers in the backcourt making his life easier so he won't have to create as much, he also has Oubre as a vaible back up for load management and to beat on his defender a bit
* You are allowed to go over the cap using an MLE and vet mins to fill out the roster
* Starting line up has great balance of practically everything with just slight weakness of shooting at C and defense from Lillard

Lillard (43,7) + Randle (19,8) + Kawhi Max (39,3) =102,8M

102,8M + 10 Roster Cap Holds (9,2M) + Noah 6,5M = 118,5M.

How you can work with a 112,4M Salary Cap spending 118,5?

I am not computing Mitch (1,8M), IQ (2,2) and SGA (5,5).

If we sign Oubre for a year, we cant go up the salary cap because we need 3 years to get his Birds to do it.

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[KnixinSix]

Ultimate dream scenario (that actually works under the cap of 112M):

*Lillard might be the guy that gets Kawhi to us so thats basically a 2 for 1 deal right there. We'd have to trade every player making 4+ mill (Obi, Knox, RJ) and renounce almost all cap holds but wed still have Quickley for floor spacing and Mitch for rim defending. Then you turn around and pry SGA from OKC.

So:

-Kawhi in FA

-RJ, Knox, 2021 NYK FRP, 2023 Dal FRP, 2025 FRP, 2024 right to swap for Lillard

-Obi, Vildoza, 2021 Dal pick, 2023 NYK pick, 2026 right to swap for SGA

- Oubre signs for MLE with 'promise' of a nice contract when we can go over the cap to sign him next year.


Projected 2021-22 lineup:

Mitch/ Vet min
Randle/ Vet min/ Oubre
Kawhi / MLE (Oubre)
Lillard/Quickley/SGA
SGA/Lillard / Quickley

*You have SGA to give height, passing and great defense to balance out the backcourt for Lillard and Quicks.
* Kawhi has 2 good passers in the backcourt making his life easier so he won't have to create as much, he also has Oubre as a vaible back up for load management and to beat on his defender a bit
* You are allowed to go over the cap using an MLE and vet mins to fill out the roster
* Starting line up has great balance of practically everything with just slight weakness of shooting at C and defense from Lillard

Lillard (43,7) + Randle (19,8) + Kawhi Max (39,3) =102,8M

102,8M + 10 Roster Cap Holds (9,2M) + Noah 6,5M = 118,5M.

How you can work with a 112,4M Salary Cap spending 118,5?

I am not computing Mitch (1,8M), IQ (2,2) and SGA (5,5).

If we sign Oubre for a year, we cant go up the salary cap because we need 3 years to get his Birds to do it.

We are renouncing all holds except Mitch and Quickley. Here is the link I use to calculate:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/

2021-22 Practical Cap Space
Available Practical Cap Space: $51,312,098 — Projected Practical Cap Space:This is calculated by determining all guaranteed salaries + any dead cap from non-guaranteed salaries + estimated exercised and declined options + estimated retained cap holds and draft pool cap holds.

$73,902,558Maximum Possible Cap Space:This is calculated by determining all guaranteed salaries + any dead cap from non-guaranteed salaries. All other options, cap holds, exceptions are assumed as declined, waived or renounced.

*This 73.9M max space listed above does NOT include trading Knox, RJ and Obi. Which balloons it to around 93 mill - give or take a couple million for adjustments.

**You may be right on Oubre though that part I am not so sure of. I do know you can use as many vet mins to go over the cap and I believe the MLE too.

[Polk377]

God damn Knicks we sucked for years but decided to be good (but blown out in playoffs anyway) in a Cade draft. We should have been in position of Rockets, talking with Pistons for #1, if not in position of Pistons itself.

It took Rockets just 0.5/ half season after trading Harden to land a top 2 pick in a meaningful awesome draft. It took Warriors just 1 season (right after a dynasty) to land a top 2 pick (Wiseman).

On other hand, we sucked for DECADES and couldn't land a top 2 pick to save our lives.

Please look at blueprint of other teams' success and copy and paste it, ffs.

1) We tanked in 2019 in a Zion draft and we land RJ.

2) It's harder to tank after the team starts to collect good players and developing chemistry. Players and coaches don't tank. Besides, fans, the front office, and the owner get tired of being bad (willing or not).

3) There are a lot of teams that became contenders without tanking. Especially big market teams. Clippers, Nets, Heat, Bucks, Spurs, etc.

4) Almost every year has a great prospect in the draft like Cade. But the odds to get him is very low. Even to the worst team.

5) It is easy to tank when you have bad contracts/key injury players in the books. That ship has sailed.

6) Personally, I would cogitate to trade Randle if he were massively overpaid. But I understand why we will not do it. We upped a level and built a competitive team. It's not a good time to regress.

Even when you think of the top 3 picks in general, in most drafts out of the 3 you get 1 all star, 1 quality starter and 1 bust. It is very rare that all 3 picks become all stars and it isn't usually the 1st pick that becomes the biggest star. The draft is a complete crapshoot which you don't build your team around especially in this lottery age where you can be the worst team and still not get a top 3 pick.

[Richard4444]

Ultimate dream scenario (that actually works under the cap of 112M):

*Lillard might be the guy that gets Kawhi to us so thats basically a 2 for 1 deal right there. We'd have to trade every player making 4+ mill (Obi, Knox, RJ) and renounce almost all cap holds but wed still have Quickley for floor spacing and Mitch for rim defending. Then you turn around and pry SGA from OKC.

So:

-Kawhi in FA

-RJ, Knox, 2021 NYK FRP, 2023 Dal FRP, 2025 FRP, 2024 right to swap for Lillard

-Obi, Vildoza, 2021 Dal pick, 2023 NYK pick, 2026 right to swap for SGA

- Oubre signs for MLE with 'promise' of a nice contract when we can go over the cap to sign him next year.


Projected 2021-22 lineup:

Mitch/ Vet min
Randle/ Vet min/ Oubre
Kawhi / MLE (Oubre)
Lillard/Quickley/SGA
SGA/Lillard / Quickley

*You have SGA to give height, passing and great defense to balance out the backcourt for Lillard and Quicks.
* Kawhi has 2 good passers in the backcourt making his life easier so he won't have to create as much, he also has Oubre as a vaible back up for load management and to beat on his defender a bit
* You are allowed to go over the cap using an MLE and vet mins to fill out the roster
* Starting line up has great balance of practically everything with just slight weakness of shooting at C and defense from Lillard

Lillard (43,7) + Randle (19,8) + Kawhi Max (39,3) =102,8M

102,8M + 10 Roster Cap Holds (9,2M) + Noah 6,5M = 118,5M.

How you can work with a 112,4M Salary Cap spending 118,5?

I am not computing Mitch (1,8M), IQ (2,2) and SGA (5,5).

If we sign Oubre for a year, we cant go up the salary cap because we need 3 years to get his Birds to do it.

We are renouncing all holds except Mitch and Quickley. Here is the link I use to calculate:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/

2021-22 Practical Cap Space
Available Practical Cap Space: $51,312,098 — Projected Practical Cap Space:This is calculated by determining all guaranteed salaries + any dead cap from non-guaranteed salaries + estimated exercised and declined options + estimated retained cap holds and draft pool cap holds.

$73,902,558Maximum Possible Cap Space:This is calculated by determining all guaranteed salaries + any dead cap from non-guaranteed salaries. All other options, cap holds, exceptions are assumed as declined, waived or renounced.

*This 73.9M max space listed above does NOT include trading Knox, RJ and Obi. Which balloons it to around 93 mill - give or take a couple million for adjustments.

**You may be right on Oubre though that part I am not so sure of. I do know you can use as many vet mins to go over the cap and I believe the MLE too.

1) It's not the right way to calculate cap space. Use this site http://www.shamsports.com/capulator to calculate properly.

2) I think the 73,9 is without Randle (only 4M guaranteed) and any Hoster Cap Holders Spots. If you sign 13 players with cap space, you don't need to count it.

[KnixinSix]

Lillard (43,7) + Randle (19,8) + Kawhi Max (39,3) =102,8M

102,8M + 10 Roster Cap Holds (9,2M) + Noah 6,5M = 118,5M.

How you can work with a 112,4M Salary Cap spending 118,5?

I am not computing Mitch (1,8M), IQ (2,2) and SGA (5,5).

If we sign Oubre for a year, we cant go up the salary cap because we need 3 years to get his Birds to do it.

We are renouncing all holds except Mitch and Quickley. Here is the link I use to calculate:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/

2021-22 Practical Cap Space
Available Practical Cap Space: $51,312,098 — Projected Practical Cap Space:This is calculated by determining all guaranteed salaries + any dead cap from non-guaranteed salaries + estimated exercised and declined options + estimated retained cap holds and draft pool cap holds.

$73,902,558Maximum Possible Cap Space:This is calculated by determining all guaranteed salaries + any dead cap from non-guaranteed salaries. All other options, cap holds, exceptions are assumed as declined, waived or renounced.

*This 73.9M max space listed above does NOT include trading Knox, RJ and Obi. Which balloons it to around 93 mill - give or take a couple million for adjustments.

**You may be right on Oubre though that part I am not so sure of. I do know you can use as many vet mins to go over the cap and I believe the MLE too.

1) It's not the right way to calculate cap space. Use this site http://www.shamsports.com/capulator to calculate properly.

2) I think the 73,9 is without Randle (only 4M guaranteed) and any Hoster Cap Holders Spots. If you sign 13 players with cap space, you don't need to count it.

Is Kawhis max 39? He would only make 36 if he picked up his option with the clips....

[Richard4444]

We are renouncing all holds except Mitch and Quickley. Here is the link I use to calculate:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/

2021-22 Practical Cap Space
Available Practical Cap Space: $51,312,098 — Projected Practical Cap Space:This is calculated by determining all guaranteed salaries + any dead cap from non-guaranteed salaries + estimated exercised and declined options + estimated retained cap holds and draft pool cap holds.

$73,902,558Maximum Possible Cap Space:This is calculated by determining all guaranteed salaries + any dead cap from non-guaranteed salaries. All other options, cap holds, exceptions are assumed as declined, waived or renounced.

*This 73.9M max space listed above does NOT include trading Knox, RJ and Obi. Which balloons it to around 93 mill - give or take a couple million for adjustments.

**You may be right on Oubre though that part I am not so sure of. I do know you can use as many vet mins to go over the cap and I believe the MLE too.

1) It's not the right way to calculate cap space. Use this site http://www.shamsports.com/capulator to calculate properly.

2) I think the 73,9 is without Randle (only 4M guaranteed) and any Hoster Cap Holders Spots. If you sign 13 players with cap space, you don't need to count it.

Is Kawhis max 39? He would only make 36 if he picked up his option with the clips....

Its 39M. He is now a 10 year player who can make 35% of the cap space.

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[WargamesX]

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If I didn’t know who those players were, this reads like they were trying to sell drugs to people

Want some Kuz brownies? Take a hit off this KCP.

[KnicksGadfly]

lol Rockets trying to offer Eric Gordon and their 23 to try and move up in the draft

[KnixinSix]

Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA
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4h
Had people on both the agent and team sides say they expect a record number of trades this offseason. Poor FA class, limited cap space, teams wanting to go for it are all the main reasons why.
Also mentioned: revenue losses weren't as bad as projected. Teams are willing to spend.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA
·
4h
Had people on both the agent and team sides say they expect a record number of trades this offseason. Poor FA class, limited cap space, teams wanting to go for it are all the main reasons why.
Also mentioned: revenue losses weren't as bad as projected. Teams are willing to spend.

Knicks will be late to the party as usual. They constantly miss the boat. Then Dolan gets antsy and forces dumb decisions!

We aren't getting any of the alleged stars that may or may not ask for a trade. There are no FAs bringing this team closer to a title. Our draft picks are middle of the pack. That playoff run was fun but....I don't think it was worth it. This team needs to pay some real dues. Trade Randle and go full youth movement and rebuild that way. Keep the cap flexible because we have ZERO chance of contending in the next 2-3 years.

I really have no faith that this new regime will be any better than the past ones. I have no faith that Dolan will be any different either if we regress while trying to win.

The off-season madness begins with the draft in 4 days. FA begins August 6th? I wish I could be excited but... I'm really not. I'm just hoping they don't do anything stupid. I'm still afraid they bring back PAYTON!!

[aggo]

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[newyorker4ever]

Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA
·
4h
Had people on both the agent and team sides say they expect a record number of trades this offseason. Poor FA class, limited cap space, teams wanting to go for it are all the main reasons why.
Also mentioned: revenue losses weren't as bad as projected. Teams are willing to spend.

Knicks will be late to the party as usual. They constantly miss the boat. Then Dolan gets antsy and forces dumb decisions!

We aren't getting any of the alleged stars that may or may not ask for a trade. There are no FAs bringing this team closer to a title. Our draft picks are middle of the pack. That playoff run was fun but....I don't think it was worth it. This team needs to pay some real dues. Trade Randle and go full youth movement and rebuild that way. Keep the cap flexible because we have ZERO chance of contending in the next 2-3 years.

I really have no faith that this new regime will be any better than the past ones. I have no faith that Dolan will be any different either if we regress while trying to win.

The off-season madness begins with the draft in 4 days. FA begins August 6th? I wish I could be excited but... I'm really not. I'm just hoping they don't do anything stupid. I'm still afraid they bring back PAYTON!!

I feel you but for me, if they used their draft picks or used a couple to trade up a little and came out of this draft with 2 or 3 players with the 19,21,32 and 58 picks and only signed players to one years deals or two year deals but the 2nd year is a team option then i think that's the front office not thinking they need to go for it and trading everything for a C.Sexton type player and realizing that they need to keep building and keep collecting assets for if any actual legit star type players want to come to the Knicks in free agency or want to force their way out of their situation and team up to go to the Knicks whether that's in 2022 or 2023 or 2024.

If they want to trade Randle and play Obi at the 4 then i'm fine with that as well. I'm 100% good with building this team for another 1-2-3 years if that's what it takes.

[NYF13]

After 2-3 weeks of rumors and reading some of your garbage comments, we should finally realize that
1. Knicks is not receiving Sexton because they will not give Obi and/or 2 FRPs for him.
2. Knicks tried packaging all picks this year to move up but seems like 12-14 picks is not worth it because the players available in that range are not sure starters in NBA.

So is there any hope?

[robillionaire]

After 2-3 weeks of rumors and reading some of your garbage comments, we should finally realize that
1. Knicks is not receiving Sexton because they will not give Obi and/or 2 FRPs for him.
2. Knicks tried packaging all picks this year to move up but seems like 12-14 picks is not worth it because the players available in that range are not sure starters in NBA.

So is there any hope?

Don’t worry we are still getting Lonzo