(Thread has been bumped) SHAMS: Grizzlies Trading Valunciunas + Nos. 17 & 51 Picks to NOLA for Adams, Bledsoe, Draft Pix

[DTP]

I only read the first four pages and I don't understand all the slack Memphis is getting for this. Yes JV was really nice for them but he's also been pretty inconsistent going back to his Toronto days. While I do think he was their 2nd best player last year, I think a fully healthy JJJ will clearly be their 2nd best guy with or without JV on the roster. They got into the lottery and pick up another first rounder in the process, Adams will be fine next to JJJ as he was in OKC with 4s that spaced the floor, and while Bledsoe isn't great he'll be fine as a backup point guard for a year. Only $4m of the $19m is guaranteed in 22/23...the contract isn't that bad at all.

For NO, they had to give up assets to dump their return in the Holiday trade....that's pretty bad imo. If they waste this cap space on 50 year old Kyle Lowry and let Lonzo get away, NO fans should riot until DG is gone.

[J_T]

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I think it says a lot that Woj describes in detail why Pelicans did but he doesn't talk about Memphis.

Surely JV could get a better return from a contending team. And the 2022 pick is even top 10 protected.

Memphis is the new Sacramento.

[zimpy27]

most important player in what? barely eeking out an 8th seed? who cares. they need to hand the keys in the front court to JJJ, Clarke and Tillman...JV is not in their long term plans.

I know centers are less valuable now but especially in the West, they are going to need someone to guard Jokic and Ayton. JJJ, while good, is going to get eaten alive. JV, for all his faults, is a big body. Historically defended Embiid very well.

they have Adams for that if they need a big body in the paint...but you can't keep holding on to JV forever, they drafted JJJ for a reason and he needs to start and get his minutes, period.

not sure what u guys are really arguing at this point...should they not have done this trade to keep JV? yea...no. ill gladly hand the keys to JJJ and take the 10th pick and the another 1st next year.

Pretty much, no point in them keeping JV for future and Adams is sufficient to be the big body vet for the next couple seasons.

Ja, Brooks, Anderson, Tillman, JJJ
Melton, Allen, Bane, Clarke, Adams
Jones, Bledsoe, Konchar, #10, Porter

Memphis are still loaded and likely need to make more trades to condense talent. They have #40 still to add in

[MostValQuitter]

I think the deal if fine for both teams. Idk why people act like either side got fleeced.

Griffin made a stupid moves by giving Adams that deal. Had to make up for it. The Bledsoe deal was still worth it. There was a good chance he played well and could have been moved.

For Memphis they have space space to take on these contracts. Get a future first rounder. And a lottery pick this year. If they have someone they really like then its worth it.

They moved up 7 spots. If the trade was outright for the 10th overall pick and they weren't throwing in a 2nd it would be much closer to fair.

I still personally wouldn't have done the deal but at least they wouldn't be getting fleeced.

If they really like someone they think they can get at 10 it makes sense.

And they got a pick from the Lakers out of it.

They got a protected pick that probably will be at the bottom of the draft.

It does make sense at all with Bledsoe they are essentially eating 21M/1yr. He's awful and maybe he could get the taxpayer MLE from a fringe contender or probably get a small deal similar Reggie Jackson (2.5m). In adams they are paying him 19m a year (7.5 trade kicker ontop of his 2/35 deal). How much would he get right now as a free agent? Maybe 7-8 million. I mean Ibaka signed for 2/19 and he is a much better player.

So if you add all that up 5.8M on the top end for Jackson and a 2/19 deal for Adams that is 25M total of actual worth. If you look at Bledsoe he's instead getting 21M (18m plus a 3m buyout) and Adams 2/37.63 (35/2 plus a 7.5 TC) which means they are essentially paying 33.63M for 7 spots and a future first top ten protected of a team that probably will be a championship contender next year.

They are also giving up Jonas who is an expiring making 14m and was easily better then Adams last year. They are giving up a late second this year. It's a really bad trade and they honestly don't even know what the draft situation will look like it's one thing to overpay to get your guy. Presti did so to get Pokusevski I mean he gave up two first rounders (25 and 28 which ended up being Quickley and McDaniels two good looking players) and Rubio but he's obviously someone he was targeting funny enough he got him 17th.

I just don't get it at all for Griz. I don't get it from the financial side of things. I don't get it from a talent standpoint because neither guys move the needle. From a future standpoint both guys aren't just going to be clogging this year cap but next years too to the tune of 21M. I dunno what else to say Griz got fleeced and I feel sorry for their fans

[matt6715]

If the Griz end up with a late lotto stud (or move up further), then this move makes sense. But in a vacuum at the moment I don't like giving up on Val after the season he had last year.

[Ballerhogger]

Nothing in this trade remotely triggers a hard cap mate.

Isn’t Adams making like 27m a year now ?

In 21-22 he makes half that and this deal can't be completed until the new calendar year. But it wouldn't matter if he made $47M it doesn't trigger a hard cap. A hard cap is only triggered when you use the full MLE or take back a player via S&T neither of which happened here. The only limit to your payroll if you avoid those is what your governor is willing to spend.

oh ok thanks for the clarification

[Roger Murdock]

yall don't understand this from Memphis perspective, JV was useless for them, it was time to give the 5 hole to JJJ anyways, and they have Tillman rook from last year as well...Adams is just filler/bench mob guy at this point for them

the guy they will get @ 10 we're talking in the Jalen Johnson or Jonathan Kuminga category vs. the guy they could've gotten @ 17, and you're adding next year's Lakers pick on top of it.

They’re almost certainly a lottery team next year without JV. It only takes a few years of missing the play-offs for the young cores to start having chemistry issues. Then someone will get fired, be it the GM or the coach. I just don’t see the upside for them.

i disagree, I think Jaren Jackson if healthy is ready to explode on the scene, and they need to give him as many mins as possible, and Tillman was one of the best rookies in the NBA last year, they also got Clarke and have picked up an extra first rounder on top of moving up 7 slots in this class.

and they barely made the POs even with JV, so who the hell cares. JV is not in their long term plans and really shouldn't be at this point.

I get it but it’s hard to say ‘just throw minutes at JJJ’

He’s always hurt and averaged 5+ fouls/36 minutes every year of his career and 6 last year! (7+ fouls/100’possessions)

His own body and play style have prevented him from seeing the court far more so than the roster construction. You can’t just play a guy big minutes when he literally has to sit from foul trouble

It’s put up or shut up time for him. His talent seemed incredible but he’s been such a disappointment and unless he finally lives up to what he was drafted to be I have a hard time seeing the Grizzlies throwing the bag at him.

[Alonzo_Morning]

They moved up 7 spots. If the trade was outright for the 10th overall pick and they weren't throwing in a 2nd it would be much closer to fair.

I still personally wouldn't have done the deal but at least they wouldn't be getting fleeced.

If they really like someone they think they can get at 10 it makes sense.

And they got a pick from the Lakers out of it.

They got a protected pick that probably will be at the bottom of the draft.

It does make sense at all with Bledsoe they are essentially eating 21M/1yr. He's awful and maybe he could get the taxpayer MLE from a fringe contender or probably get a small deal similar Reggie Jackson (2.5m). In adams they are paying him 19m a year (7.5 trade kicker ontop of his 2/35 deal). How much would he get right now as a free agent? Maybe 7-8 million. I mean Ibaka signed for 2/19 and he is a much better player.

So if you add all that up 5.8M on the top end for Jackson and a 2/19 deal for Adams that is 25M total of actual worth. If you look at Bledsoe he's instead getting 21M (18m plus a 3m buyout) and Adams 2/37.63 (35/2 plus a 7.5 TC) which means they are essentially paying 33.63M for 7 spots and a future first top ten protected of a team that probably will be a championship contender next year.

They are also giving up Jonas who is an expiring making 14m and was easily better then Adams last year. They are giving up a late second this year. It's a really bad trade and they honestly don't even know what the draft situation will look like it's one thing to overpay to get your guy. Presti did so to get Pokusevski I mean he gave up two first rounders (25 and 28 which ended up being Quickley and McDaniels two good looking players) and Rubio but he's obviously someone he was targeting funny enough he got him 17th.

I just don't get it at all for Griz. I don't get it from the financial side of things. I don't get it from a talent standpoint because neither guys move the needle. From a future standpoint both guys aren't just going to be clogging this year cap but next years too to the tune of 21M. I dunno what else to say Griz got fleeced and I feel sorry for their fans

Adams had a trade kicker with OKC, not the Pels

[Harry Garris]

Who does Memphis want at 10? Moody?

Could be Sengun or Kai Jones if they're trading away their starting center. Steven Adams is a stiff at this point in his career, I doubt he can really fill a full time 5 role for a good team.

[GSWFan1994]

Memphis took a lot of dead money, but if they identified a core piece via the pick, then it's all good for them, I guess.

The piece, IMO, is Sengun. He makes perfect sense in their offense.

[Castle Black]

Memphis took a lot of dead money, but if they identified a core piece via the pick, then it's all good for them, I guess.

The piece, IMO, is Sengun. He makes perfect sense in their offense.

I agree Sengun is the guy they’re targeting at 10. And he’ll likely be there.

[GSWFan1994]

Memphis took a lot of dead money, but if they identified a core piece via the pick, then it's all good for them, I guess.

The piece, IMO, is Sengun. He makes perfect sense in their offense.

I agree Sengun is the guy they’re targeting at 10. And he’ll likely be there.

See? Great minds think alike.

[John Murdoch]

Who does Memphis want at 10? Moody?

Could be Sengun or Kai Jones if they're trading away their starting center. Steven Adams is a stiff at this point in his career, I doubt he can really fill a full time 5 role for a good team.

Wish he was on a contender , good dude deserves a title shot

[JJ_PR]

New Orleans wins this trade. Jonas Valanciunas alone is worth #10. They get #17 plus unload two horrible contracts @ the cost of a pick in the late 20's next year.

[Whole Truth]

Memphis took a lot of dead money, but if they identified a core piece via the pick, then it's all good for them, I guess.

The piece, IMO, is Sengun. He makes perfect sense in their offense.

I agree Sengun is the guy they’re targeting at 10. And he’ll likely be there.

Memphis worked out Moody.

[JHFVF07]

Damm this was a good trade for NOP, Jonas isnt the best fit, but he is better than Adams(more range), I hope NOP find some wing defense with #17, and bring Ball back.
I believe Jonas is easier to trade than Adams, If the experience doesnt work you can find a team to take him into their cap. Then the trade would be Adams+Bledsoe(57m of salary)+#10 for #17. Im ready to eat my crow, Sorry Griffin.

Edit: Forgot about the Lakers pick, but still good for NOP.

[Bologna Smasher]

Not sure if anyone else pointed it out, but this means the end of the Justise Winslow era in Memphis. The trade won't be completed until after the draft when the Grizzlies officially decline his option.

The Grizzlies are also apparently trying to move up with the #10th pick. If that's why the end up doing, I think Bouknight is their likely target. Kuminga would be fun to watch with Morant, but that lack of shooting would be pretty rough.

[VCfor3]

Damm this was a good trade for NOP, Jonas isnt the best fit, but he is better than Adams(more range), I hope NOP find some wing defense with #17, and bring Ball back.
I believe Jonas is easier to trade than Adams, If the experience doesnt work you can find a team to take him into their cap. Then the trade would be Adams+Bledsoe(57m of salary)+#10 for #17. Im ready to eat my crow, Sorry Griffin.

..plus the LAL 1st and swapping 2nds.

But yes I think Jonas is positive value where as Adams is negative value given their contracts and talent. JV also is an expiring deal so if NOP doesn't like the fit they can shop him at the deadline or simply let him expire next offseason. If they do like him then they resign him.

[Darknemo2000]

yall don't understand this from Memphis perspective, JV was useless for them, it was time to give the 5 hole to JJJ anyways, and they have Tillman rook from last year as well...Adams is just filler/bench mob guy at this point for them

the guy they will get @ 10 we're talking in the Jalen Johnson or Jonathan Kuminga category vs. the guy they could've gotten @ 17, and you're adding next year's Lakers pick on top of it.

What makes you think that JJJ will be able to survive at 5? He is injury prone as it is. Moving him to 5 will make it only tougher for him to stay on the floor. Not to mention that JJJ is a horrible rebounder. If you are moving JJJ there you need someone to grab the ball at decent clip in other positions. Who will it be? Kyle Anderson? Dillon Brooks?

[VCfor3]

Not sure if anyone else pointed it out, but this means the end of the Justise Winslow era in Memphis. The trade won't be completed until after the draft.

Unless we resign him with the Room Exception after declining the team option lol.

But if I was Winslow I'd see what the Memphis team looks like after the next few days before even considering if I would return or not on a cheaper deal. If there isn't clear playing time available for him I think he should look elsewhere for a prove it deal.