WOJ: Jonas Valančiūnas to New Orleans (Adams, Bledsoe, and picks galore).

[pacers33granger]

Am I crazy for thinking Memphis is going to be a real winner when we look back on this in 6 months?

Adams wasn't a great fit in New Orleans, but I think he will be great with Morant. I don't think Memphis is going to lose much there.

So to me this was taking Bledsoe to move up 7 spots and get the Lakers 1st? Love that.

I don't think Val is going to be the answer next to Zion. Shifting the issue.

Yeah I had the rumored Bledsoe/10 for 17 a win for Memphis as is and I don't see Adams as much, if any, of a downgrade from JV.

[DroseReturnChi]

I can see what Memphis was thinking, but it feels like an absolute win for the Pelicans. Don't love this for Memphis.

memphis simply did a terrible job not using the leverage they had when griffin was forced to move cancer bledsoe and adams at all costs. JV must have requested out for them to act in a hurry bc they should have done this trade in draft day when their "all star" was available.

[Whole Truth]

Am I crazy for thinking Memphis is going to be a real winner when we look back on this in 6 months?

Adams wasn't a great fit in New Orleans, but I think he will be great with Morant. I don't think Memphis is going to lose much there.

So to me this was taking Bledsoe to move up 7 spots and get the Lakers 1st? Love that.

I don't think Val is going to be the answer next to Zion. Shifting the issue.

Yeah I had the rumored Bledsoe/10 for 17 a win for Memphis as is and I don't see Adams as much, if any, of a downgrade from JV.

Jonas 17pts / 13 rebs, 4 offensive / 2 ast 28mins 60% eFG on higher usage 8 WS

Adams 7pts / 9 rebs / 2 ast 27mins 61% eFG on lower usage 4 WS

[HartfordWhalers]

Started a new '21-'22 official trade thread with this. (Yes, the calendar hasn't flipped yet, but we always do it this way with the draft starting us off into a new offseason.)

[HartfordWhalers]

Oh, and I love this for Memphis and dislike it for NOP.

[HartfordWhalers]

Some information is missing on the details because I don't see how the LAL 2022 first can be protected.

2022 first round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
L.A. Lakers' 2022 1st round pick to New Orleans [L.A. Lakers-New Orleans-Washington, 7/6/2019]

Maybe there is some type or either -- or in regards to the New Orleans 2022 first.

Teams can protect picks that other teams owe them, that was updated in the last CBA.

Not the CBA. This is an owners meeting item, and doesn't require the league to have the players even weigh in least of all agree. But yes, they updated it and now allow protected pick swaps which were explicitly not allowed previously; allowing a lot more trade flexibility imo.

[VCfor3]

I can see what Memphis was thinking, but it feels like an absolute win for the Pelicans. Don't love this for Memphis.

memphis simply did a terrible job not using the leverage they had when griffin was forced to move cancer bledsoe and adams at all costs. JV must have requested out for them to act in a hurry bc they should have done this trade in draft day when their "all star" was available.

I highly doubt JV asked out. I think moving up to 10 now was to go ahead and work on potential Bledsoe deals and most importantly to work on maybe moving up more. As for leverage we had to battle Presti too.

[Prospect Dong]

I don't like MEM getting the '22 LAL 1st, but other than that I like this deal.

Yeah, the original version I read didn't have the LA 1st, and felt light for Mem by about that amount.

With that extra first... I'm still pretty torn. I'm worried that this is the part of the year where everyone gets too excited about draft picks and forgets that, say, JV and Adams were both lotto picks themselves.

So I think Memphis paid about market price for moving up from #17 to #10, but I'm not sure they should have. That's still not "star" territory for most FOs in most drafts, and you need a bit of luck to get someone who'll develop into a good starter:

CJ McCollum
Austin Rivers
Jimmer Fredette
Paul George
Brandon Jennings
Brook Lopez
Spencer Hawes
Mouhamed Saer Sene
Andrew Bynum
Luke Jackson
Jarvis Hayes
Caron Butler
Joe Johnson

No all-stars since George, one very good starter in Bridges and two potential starters in Winslow (still!) and Reddish.

As for the Adams/JV swap... #10 is the best asset in the deal, but JV is definitely the best player. Adams is a solid replacement, but I'm not sure we should be collecting late firsts and higher seconds in return for downgrading a core part of the team.

Adams and Bledsoe are both guys who could play significantly better in news digs, or either or both could be starting down an age-related decline. I'm happy with both of them as rotation guys, but we probably need to move Tyus if we're keeping an incredibly expensive backup PG and an undersized wing in Melton.

Seems like a big bet by the Grizzlies FO on their ability to make an above-average pick at #10...

[psman2]

Memphis did exactly what a lot of the Memphis fans have been hoping they would do. We are taking a step back to hopefully take two steps forward if pick 10 hits. I was hoping we could squeeze a little more value out of the Adams/Val swap but at least Adams is not totally dead weight so they might be options to spin him off and save a little future money. Does OKC want their favorite son back?

Love JV but he was likely not going to be a long term fixture for us and allows us to play a more modern up-tempo style of ball.

If I was NO I would have waited to make sure they actually had a use for the capspace, but I am glad they didn't. Val might be able to push them into the playoffs and appease Zion in the short term. Not sure of the fit, but Val will help that team.

Overall I give Memphis a A-
and New Orleans a C

[HartfordWhalers]

Am I crazy for thinking Memphis is going to be a real winner when we look back on this in 6 months?

Adams wasn't a great fit in New Orleans, but I think he will be great with Morant. I don't think Memphis is going to lose much there.

So to me this was taking Bledsoe to move up 7 spots and get the Lakers 1st? Love that.

I don't think Val is going to be the answer next to Zion. Shifting the issue.

I'm exactly here. Really well summarized on it for both teams.

[Whole Truth]

NO's got the best player in the deal on a value contract & dumped 40m in total dead weight salary, where they might target a win now FA

Memphis moved up 7 spots for a targeted prospect & get a FRP late first that could turn into 2 2nd round picks.


NO's make the PO's, they achieve their goal.

Memphis hit on #10, they achieve their goal.

Personally I have Memphis losing the trade because NO's were able to put top 10 protection on the Lakers 22 pick which turns into 2 2nds.

Imagine Moody is not what Memphis hopes he will be & Lakers end up top 10 where the picks converted will be 2 2nds. Memphis will have traded 40m in cap & a player that helped them to the PO's for it.

The redemption of this for me is the fact that Memphis seems to have an intent to move up.

[KuruptedCav]

I like this deal for both.

Jonas is consistently efficient, cleans up the boards and is actually a solid shooter who has to be guarded away from the basket. (18% of his shots are >10’ and he hits them).

There was no player at 10 worth more than $20 million in salary this year, and they’ll still be able to add cheaper depth at 17.

For MEM, I’m a little dubious on the Adams’ /JJJ fit, but I’m not sure we actually see that. Moving up to 10, upgrading the 2nd to top-40, and the 2022 pick is effectively like getting 2.2FRPs for space. I like them drafting a higher value prospect without giving up a future asset.


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[DroseReturnChi]

Memphis did exactly what a lot of the Memphis fans have been hoping they would do. We are taking a step back to hopefully take two steps forward if pick 10 hits. I was hoping we could squeeze a little more value out of the Adams/Val swap but at least Adams is not totally dead weight so they might be options to spin him off and save a little future money. Does OKC want their favorite son back?

Love JV but he was likely not going to be a long term fixture for us and allows us to play a more modern up-tempo style of ball.

If I was NO I would have waited to make sure they actually had a use for the capspace, but I am glad they didn't. Val might be able to push them into the playoffs and appease Zion in the short term. Not sure of the fit, but Val will help that team.

Overall I give Memphis a A-
and New Orleans a C

stepping back for 2 yrs is fine. it is a common strat used by okc, gs top organizations. but if your going to tank 2 yrs, you gotta trade everyone and bottom out. simple retool isnt going to overnight make them into title contenders and ja will be due for max extension they are on a clock. im not sure memphis has the balls to follow what myers did intentionally and in the end they failed bc their draft wasnt good even though everything they did until selecting was perfect execution.

[vege]

I like this a lot for NOP, it's not bad for Memphis either (except for them to have to take on Bledsoe, who also should be terrible for them).

Adams and Bledsoe were both a terrible fit for NOP, I expect Jonas to be good for them.

[psman2]

Memphis did exactly what a lot of the Memphis fans have been hoping they would do. We are taking a step back to hopefully take two steps forward if pick 10 hits. I was hoping we could squeeze a little more value out of the Adams/Val swap but at least Adams is not totally dead weight so they might be options to spin him off and save a little future money. Does OKC want their favorite son back?

Love JV but he was likely not going to be a long term fixture for us and allows us to play a more modern up-tempo style of ball.

If I was NO I would have waited to make sure they actually had a use for the capspace, but I am glad they didn't. Val might be able to push them into the playoffs and appease Zion in the short term. Not sure of the fit, but Val will help that team.

Overall I give Memphis a A-
and New Orleans a C

stepping back for 2 yrs is fine. it is a common strat used by okc, gs top organizations. but if your going to tank 2 yrs, you gotta trade everyone and bottom out. simple retool isnt going to overnight make them into title contenders and ja will be due for max extension they are on a clock.

This won't be a tank, or will be us giving time for all our young guys to develop and grow together. We will be pushing for the playoffs but our primary goal will be player development and if we fall short of the playoffs doesn't not mean we didn't reach our short term goals which in turn will allow us to hopefully reach our long term goals.

Rookie max are not something to be all that concerned with in the big scope of cap management. Paying players that are good but not good enough is what you want really want to avoid. Like the CJ McCollums and Vucs of the world and what maybe Val's next contract could have been.

[Whole Truth]

Jonas has missed the PO's once in his career. That's when he was traded to a 22 win team in place of Gasol where they suffered 3 key injuries in the bubble to lose in a play in scenario to Portland.

The following season, this past season, Jonas had a career year, was the team leader in WS & was a big part in Memphis being the youngest team since OKC to make the PO's & that was with 3J being out all year due to injury.

Jonas / Small ball 5
Zion
Ingram
Lonzo
FA - Lowry/Paul

I like it for NO's

[pacers33granger]

Am I crazy for thinking Memphis is going to be a real winner when we look back on this in 6 months?

Adams wasn't a great fit in New Orleans, but I think he will be great with Morant. I don't think Memphis is going to lose much there.

So to me this was taking Bledsoe to move up 7 spots and get the Lakers 1st? Love that.

I don't think Val is going to be the answer next to Zion. Shifting the issue.

Yeah I had the rumored Bledsoe/10 for 17 a win for Memphis as is and I don't see Adams as much, if any, of a downgrade from JV.

Jonas 17pts / 13 rebs, 4 offensive / 2 ast 28mins 60% eFG on higher usage 8 WS

Adams 7pts / 9 rebs / 2 ast 27mins 61% eFG on lower usage 4 WS

That really tells the whole story.

[Mike lorenzo]

Seeing how the Grizzlies office works the Draft ... I have no doubts that this is a gift ... besides that I really like Adams' adjustment in Grizzlies and not so much that of Jonas in NOP ... they do not need to improve their defense ?? .. they pay to get Adams and pay 1 year later to get rid of it .. at least they won't have to pay to get rid of expiring Valanciunas

[nykballa2k4]

I think this is about thembeing able to sign Lowry outright now. so if you ad that to the package, and then do a S+t with ball and the bulls for Thad Young and a TPE.

I see the potential of the Raptors being the big loser in this. Now both NYK and NOP can sign Lowry outright. Maybe the Raptors can send a couple of 2nds for a tpe like in Hayward.

Thankfully Lowry does not seem to like us.

[Resistance]

Am I crazy for thinking Memphis is going to be a real winner when we look back on this in 6 months?

Adams wasn't a great fit in New Orleans, but I think he will be great with Morant. I don't think Memphis is going to lose much there.

So to me this was taking Bledsoe to move up 7 spots and get the Lakers 1st? Love that.

I don't think Val is going to be the answer next to Zion. Shifting the issue.

I'm exactly here. Really well summarized on it for both teams.

Do you have Griffin still in charge a few years from now or is he already doomed?