Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[_AIJ_]

If we trade Ricky, i want Tyus back

[SO_MONEY]

If we trade Ricky, i want Tyus back

No thanks.

[Norseman79]

It's been too quiet. I am fully expecting us to not land anyone worth a damn. That doesn't mean I'm not expecting us to make a trade, I'm just expecting it to be one of those trades where it's like why did we do that? Or how does that make us better? For example I would not be excited about landing Gallo from the Hawks, sure he can shoot, but we need more than just that from our starting four. I know this will not be a popular view, but given our lack of trade assets, the likelihood of not competing for a championship in the next year or two, and the expected turnover in the West as the prevalent teams continue to age, I would completely be exploring trades for Kat and D-lo. In order to stockpile young players and draft picks to build around Edwards and McDaniels. I would fully give the opportunity to land another good player before trading those two, but if that ship is sailing at some point you need to look to the Future.

[Klomp]

I know this will not be a popular view, but given our lack of trade assets, the likelihood of not competing for a championship in the next year or two, and the expected turnover in the West as the prevalent teams continue to age, I would completely be exploring trades for Kat and D-lo. In order to stockpile young players and draft picks to build around Edwards and McDaniels. I would fully give the opportunity to land another good player before trading those two, but if that ship is sailing at some point you need to look to the Future.

Same mindset that would've had Bucks fans calling to trade Giannis and Middleton a year or two ago

[IceManBK1]

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So why not trade for Turner plus McDermott sign and trade?

[Klomp]

Rubio's play for Spain would seem to only be helping his trade market, one would think. A lot of PG shuffling is likely and I bet Rubio will be involved.

[Norseman79]

I know this will not be a popular view, but given our lack of trade assets, the likelihood of not competing for a championship in the next year or two, and the expected turnover in the West as the prevalent teams continue to age, I would completely be exploring trades for Kat and D-lo. In order to stockpile young players and draft picks to build around Edwards and McDaniels. I would fully give the opportunity to land another good player before trading those two, but if that ship is sailing at some point you need to look to the Future.

Same mindset that would've had Bucks fans calling to trade Giannis and Middleton a year or two ago

Except it isn't. However, I have nothing against people hanging on to blind hope

[Klomp]

I know this will not be a popular view, but given our lack of trade assets, the likelihood of not competing for a championship in the next year or two, and the expected turnover in the West as the prevalent teams continue to age, I would completely be exploring trades for Kat and D-lo. In order to stockpile young players and draft picks to build around Edwards and McDaniels. I would fully give the opportunity to land another good player before trading those two, but if that ship is sailing at some point you need to look to the Future.

Same mindset that would've had Bucks fans calling to trade Giannis and Middleton a year or two ago

Except it isn't. However, I have nothing against people hanging on to blind hope

Going into 2018-19, I'd guess. The Giannis build had been going for 5 years. He's 24. They're scared about if he'll re-sign. Might as well blow it up.

Towns is 25 and has been here 6 years. Everyone's talking about how if he hasn't done it yet he'll never do it so might as well cut bait and replenish assets.

[Norseman79]

Same mindset that would've had Bucks fans calling to trade Giannis and Middleton a year or two ago

Except it isn't. However, I have nothing against people hanging on to blind hope

Going into 2018-19, I'd guess. The Giannis build had been going for 5 years. He's 24. They're scared about if he'll re-sign. Might as well blow it up.


Towns is 25 and has been here 6 years. Everyone's talking about how if he hasn't done it yet he'll never do it so might as well cut bait and replenish assets.

You're also missing the fact that the Bucks were making the playoffs regularly. They were not routinely in the top 10 to 5 for drafting. If the wolves are consistently a playoff team the past three or four years even if it was just Fringe I wouldn't entertain the trade idea either. But they're not

[TheProdigy]

I know this will not be a popular view, but given our lack of trade assets, the likelihood of not competing for a championship in the next year or two, and the expected turnover in the West as the prevalent teams continue to age, I would completely be exploring trades for Kat and D-lo. In order to stockpile young players and draft picks to build around Edwards and McDaniels. I would fully give the opportunity to land another good player before trading those two, but if that ship is sailing at some point you need to look to the Future.

Same mindset that would've had Bucks fans calling to trade Giannis and Middleton a year or two ago

Last year and the year before that, the Bucks had the best record in the league. Meanwhile, we've been near the top of the draft lottery each year. How are these situations comparable?

[Klomp]

Except it isn't. However, I have nothing against people hanging on to blind hope

Going into 2018-19, I'd guess. The Giannis build had been going for 5 years. He's 24. They're scared about if he'll re-sign. Might as well blow it up.


Towns is 25 and has been here 6 years. Everyone's talking about how if he hasn't done it yet he'll never do it so might as well cut bait and replenish assets.

You're also missing the fact that the Bucks were making the playoffs regularly. They were not routinely in the top 10 to 5 for drafting. If the wolves are consistently a playoff team the past three or four years even if it was just Fringe I wouldn't entertain the trade idea either. But they're not

Fair counter.

But what would we say is the number of wins that being in the East skews things? For those four years (2014-15 to 2017-18) which spanned Giannis' second through fifth year in the league, Milwaukee never had more than 44 wins in a season (40-win average). In KAT's first four years, Minnesota averaged 35.8 wins.

Yes there was a snafu with a bad coaching hire that set Towns back in the win column and had to be resolved, but Giannis also dealt with a coaching change that helped jump-start his franchise and career.

[Klomp]

I know this will not be a popular view, but given our lack of trade assets, the likelihood of not competing for a championship in the next year or two, and the expected turnover in the West as the prevalent teams continue to age, I would completely be exploring trades for Kat and D-lo. In order to stockpile young players and draft picks to build around Edwards and McDaniels. I would fully give the opportunity to land another good player before trading those two, but if that ship is sailing at some point you need to look to the Future.

Same mindset that would've had Bucks fans calling to trade Giannis and Middleton a year or two ago

Last year and the year before that, the Bucks had the best record in the league. Meanwhile, we've been near the top of the draft lottery each year. How are these situations comparable?

I wasn't talking about those two years, keep up

[Norseman79]

Going into 2018-19, I'd guess. The Giannis build had been going for 5 years. He's 24. They're scared about if he'll re-sign. Might as well blow it up.


Towns is 25 and has been here 6 years. Everyone's talking about how if he hasn't done it yet he'll never do it so might as well cut bait and replenish assets.

You're also missing the fact that the Bucks were making the playoffs regularly. They were not routinely in the top 10 to 5 for drafting. If the wolves are consistently a playoff team the past three or four years even if it was just Fringe I wouldn't entertain the trade idea either. But they're not

Fair counter.

But what would we say is the number of wins that being in the East skews things? For those four years (2014-15 to 2017-18) which spanned Giannis' second through fifth year in the league, Milwaukee never had more than 44 wins in a season (40-win average). In KAT's first four years, Minnesota averaged 35.8 wins.

Yes there was a snafu with a bad coaching hire that set Towns back in the win column and had to be resolved, but Giannis also dealt with a coaching change that helped jump-start his franchise and career.

I get it, there are excuses and excuses for why they are where they are some are probably more legit than others. But we have two Max contracted players, one of which who's been here for multiple years and has been unable to push us over the top for whatever reason. At some point it's either him or it isn't, if he's not the guy we're paying him a lot of money to not be the guy. If we aren't going to keep Kat there's absolutely no reason to keep russell. My overall point is if cat and Russell are your guys you need to go all in to build this thing for the next 3 to 4 years. If they fail to do that there's no point in keeping them.

[jpatrick]

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So why not trade for Turner plus McDermott sign and trade?

Turner is going to be a popular target. Have a feeling he’s going to a team closer to winning than us, maybe GSW or Boston who have been rumored.

However, if we move Beasley, Culver, Juancho, and Layman in a package for a big (Simmons, Collins,
Isaac, Siakim, or a lesser PF), we really need shooting off the bench. Love McDermott in that role. Can play both forward positions. Perfect fit.

And I do prefer moving Beasley plus those spare parts because Rubio does have value here. Ant really loves him. He gives us an adult. Plus, Finch clearly wants D’Lo to play off the ball some, which requires us to have a high level backup PG.

[TheProdigy]

Same mindset that would've had Bucks fans calling to trade Giannis and Middleton a year or two ago

Last year and the year before that, the Bucks had the best record in the league. Meanwhile, we've been near the top of the draft lottery each year. How are these situations comparable?

I wasn't talking about those two years, keep up

I am keeping up just fine. Take another look at your post above in bold.

[Klomp]

Last year and the year before that, the Bucks had the best record in the league. Meanwhile, we've been near the top of the draft lottery each year. How are these situations comparable?

I wasn't talking about those two years, keep up

I am keeping up just fine. Take another look at your post above in bold.

Keep reading, you'll figure it out. I was talking about going into 2018-19. (2019 is still two years before 2021, last I checked, and we're technically still in the 2020-21 league year).

[TheProdigy]

I wasn't talking about those two years, keep up

I am keeping up just fine. Take another look at your post above in bold.

Keep reading, you'll figure it out. I was talking about going into 2018-19. (2019 is still two years before 2021, last I checked, and we're technically still in the 2020-21 league year).

Maybe you can understand my confusion when you first said a year or two ago, and then say you meant 2.99 years ago.

Even if we move the goalposts to prior the 2018-19 season, the situation isn't comparable. The Bucks had made the playoffs the prior year during Giannis' age 23 season. He was also showing tremendous improvement in each year with no signs of slowing. Compare that situation to our situation now: we were in the lottery again, and 25 year old KAT's production has stagnated over the last few years.

[Klomp]

I am keeping up just fine. Take another look at your post above in bold.

Keep reading, you'll figure it out. I was talking about going into 2018-19. (2019 is still two years before 2021, last I checked, and we're technically still in the 2020-21 league year).

Maybe you can understand my confusion when you first said a year or two ago, and then say you meant 2.99 years ago.

Even if we move the goalposts to prior the 2018-19 season, the situation isn't comparable. The Bucks had made the playoffs the prior year during Giannis' age 23 season. He was also showing tremendous improvement in each year with no signs of slowing. Compare that situation to our situation now: we were in the lottery again, and 25 year old KAT's production has stagnated over the last few years.

And Towns has made the playoffs too. In his age 22 season.

Like I said, we've had a coaching snafu that had to be corrected, but Milwaukee 2014-15 to 2017-18 and Minnesota 2015-16 to 2018-19 aren't all that different when you look at the average win total and accounting for the respective conferences. They made a coaching change instead of trading their star player, yet we are being told the only real option is to blow it all up and collect assets as apparently our coaching change won't make a difference. Because that solution has resulted in so many titles for Oklahoma City and Philadelphia this past decade.

[Krapinsky]

Whispers of Gallinari, Markannen, now McDermott? It seems clear that Finch wants a shooter and goal will be to outscore our opponents rather than try to stop them.

[TheProdigy]

Keep reading, you'll figure it out. I was talking about going into 2018-19. (2019 is still two years before 2021, last I checked, and we're technically still in the 2020-21 league year).

Maybe you can understand my confusion when you first said a year or two ago, and then say you meant 2.99 years ago.

Even if we move the goalposts to prior the 2018-19 season, the situation isn't comparable. The Bucks had made the playoffs the prior year during Giannis' age 23 season. He was also showing tremendous improvement in each year with no signs of slowing. Compare that situation to our situation now: we were in the lottery again, and 25 year old KAT's production has stagnated over the last few years.

And Towns has made the playoffs too. In his age 22 season.

Like I said, we've had a coaching snafu that had to be corrected, but Milwaukee 2014-15 to 2017-18 and Minnesota 2015-16 to 2018-19 aren't all that different when you look at the average win total and accounting for the respective conferences. They made a coaching change instead of trading their star player, yet we are being told the only real option is to blow it all up and collect assets as apparently our coaching change won't make a difference. Because that solution has resulted in so many titles for Oklahoma City and Philadelphia this past decade.

KAT made the playoffs when he was 22 with Butler "leading" the team. We haven't sniffed the playoffs since Butler left.

I'm not suggesting that our only option is blow it up, but I would certainly entertain the idea of trading KAT and DLo if the right opportunity presented itself. Both of those guys are well below average on defense, and I think it's very hard to build a winning culture when your highest paid guys are turnstiles on D. Hopefully that changes, but effort and grittyness aren't really things that can be learned or taught. You either have it or you don't.