Center Options

Braggins · Post #361 » by **Braggins** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:34 pm

SWedd523 wrote:I look at a potential Turner trade like this:

Hayward + Kai/Sengun/etc

Or

Turner + Moody/Keon/Kispert/Cam/etc

Which would you rather have? Which would make the team better short and long term?

I wouldnt want to add anything to Hayward or Rozier in a deal for Turner. I'd consider Hayward for Turner + salary filler, or Rozier for Hayward. I wouldn't want to even do the trade back unless the guy I wanted or someone equivalent was going to be there at 11. I think I'm getting on the Sengun bandwagon and definitely wouldn't trade the pick if hes there at 11.

Rozier is better than Turner imo and they have pretty much the same contract, so I don't see why wed need to add any value and if anything Id probably see if I could get them to give us an extra 2nd (maybe a swap).

Its trickier with Hayward because his contract is pretty bad, but Indiana isn't paying for the Batum stretch, so I don't think its quite as bad as some of us think in the context of trying to trade him to another team (still bad though for sure). The pick swap is a pretty marginal value loss in a vacuum and it would be sooo nice to get off Haywards contract, though, so I definitely get the appeal. It might just depend on how the draft turned out for me.

Idk, I guess I just feel like the franchise is finally in a good spot and should be patient. I crap on Turner a lot, but he is kind of nice. I just don't really feel any need to lose any value to address short term needs when the franchise player is 20 and they were like the 5th youngest team in the league last season when weighted for minutes played. Before all the injuries the team was looking like they were on track for a 5/6 seed last season with pretty much the worst center rotation imaginable and rookie Melo as the best player. The bar is so low that there should be options to improve the center position in the short term cheaply, so I would be totally fine with looking for stop gap options and addressing the situation long term through the draft or by waiting for a better trade opportunity.

Post #362 » by **Diop** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:39 pm

I can see zeller going to Phoenix

Liver_Pooty · Post #363 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:07 am

We need to resign Zeller to a backup role. JB treated him like **** this past season so he may not even want to come back. I wouldn't blame him

LofJ · Post #364 » by **LofJ** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:12 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:We need to resign Zeller to a backup role. JB treated him like **** this past season so he may not even want to come back. I wouldn't blame him

Zeller said he wants to play a 10 to 15 minute a game role on a team good enough for home court advantage. I don't think he has plans to come back.

Liver_Pooty · Post #365 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:45 am

LofJ wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:We need to resign Zeller to a backup role. JB treated him like **** this past season so he may not even want to come back. I wouldn't blame him

Zeller said he wants to play a 10 to 15 minute a game role on a team good enough for home court advantage. I don't think he has plans to come back.

Well that's basically us when healthy.

LofJ · Post #366 » by **LofJ** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:27 pm

If the Jazz are offering the 30th pick to salary dump Derrick Favors we should take that and run. He would have been the best big on our roster last year.

euphorbus · Post #367 » by **euphorbus** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:58 pm

LofJ wrote:If the Jazz are offering the 30th pick to salary dump Derrick Favors we should take that and run. He would have been the best big on our roster last year.

He was -9.5 on a team that went to the NBA finals, and was last in scoring per 36 minutes. Not so sure he would help.

LofJ · Post #368 » by **LofJ** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:42 pm

euphorbus wrote:
LofJ wrote:If the Jazz are offering the 30th pick to salary dump Derrick Favors we should take that and run. He would have been the best big on our roster last year.

He was -9.5 on a team that went to the NBA finals, and was last in scoring per 36 minutes. Not so sure he would help.

Gobert got played off the floor as well, there are only a few bigs that can hang deep into the playoffs.

We need Favors for the regular season to even get to the playoffs.

CuseMayne · Post #369 » by **CuseMayne** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:27 pm

Jazz went to the finals...?

He would be a very solid backup IMO.

Bassman · Post #370 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:22 am

Turner is only 24, has played well, does a lot of good things. Whose to say he’s reached his peak? The only reason he’s available is because of the Pacers luck having another young 5 they believe may surpass Myles. Turner has two years remaining on a solid contract; plenty of time to incorporate into the core and determine if he deserves big money.

Where else will you be able to trade for a good starting center? No guarantee that any big we’d draft at 11 will ever develop. Whomever it is will be a far worse center over the next several years than Myles. Keeping the 11, or even if we swap picks and have 13, gets us a good prospect at a guard/wing slot. Far more talent there than at the 5 in this draft.

Deal Hayward for Turner, Lamb. Draft Gordon’s replacement/reserve or go use free agent money to get a deadly shooter and a reserve 5. Start Bridges, Turner, PJ, Rozier and LaMelo. Bring Lamb, draft pick, free agent 3, free agent 5 and maybe Graham off the bench. That’s a far better and deeper playoff team than we had last year.

Post #371 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:44 am

Bassman wrote:No guarantee that any big we’d draft at 11 will ever develop. Whomever it is will be a far worse center over the next several years than Myles.

Bassman wrote:No guarantee that any wing we’d draft at 11 will ever develop. Whomever it is will be a far worse wing over the next several years than Gordon.

See what I did there?

Post #372 » by **JDR720** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:50 am

Favors is a player who is clearly talented but underperforms consistently. I'd take him, just because he is better than what we have, but I wouldn't expect better than what Cody gave us + shot blocking.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #373 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:11 am

I like having Hayward on this team. Keeping him would be fine with me. Feels like the Hornets will be in position to get a free agent replacement. Hayward + Holmes, Drummond, or even Olynyk seems pretty good to me.

I'm also OK with trading Hayward for Turner and Lamb straight up as long as first round picks aren't in play.

JMAC3 · Post #374 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:28 am

Turner is not a bad player, but there is a reason the Pacers are fine giving him away. I am not so sure it is because he doesn't fit next to Sabonis.

Things Turner does great...
1. Shot blocker... coming off a career year in terms of blocks per game at 3.4 which is 1.2 blocks better per game than his career average. He is due for some regression back down in the 2 blocks per game range, especially as he continues to age slightly.

Things Turner does okay..
1.Shoot the three, he only makes 35% attempts for his career and has shot under that the past two seasons.
2.Rebound... only averaged 6.6 rebounds per game for career which is on par for last two years.
3. Stay Healthy. He has missed on average 14 games per game a season since coming into the league, which is significant considering he has never missed more than 25 in any season, constantly banged up.
4. Gets to the line. Averages 3 free throws per game which is decent for a center.

Things Turner is bad at...
1. Scoring. Only averages 12.6 ppg which is pretty mediocre at best considering he plays 31 mpg. He scored under 10 pts in nearly 1/3 of his games played this season.
2. Efficiency. He shots 47% from the field which is pretty bad for a big. Before you say he shoots a lot of threes, his EFG% for centers is near the bottom.
3. Passing. He only averaged 1 assist per game this season.

wilson115 · Post #375 » by **wilson115** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:59 am

Rather bet on PJ coming back with renewed focus post-Brittany.

Post #376 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:34 am

I’d be happy with signing Favors on a cheap 1+1 contract as a stop gap should we end up drafting one of the bigs in the draft.

He’d serve that purpose just fine IMO.

Chapelchilla · Post #377 » by **Chapelchilla** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:41 am

I dont know why in heck we would want to trade Hayward for a decent but not great center. He is our second best player and makes everyone else better. Same sort of deal that trading Bridges for peanuts would have been last off season. Just not a good move.
We can bring in a decent FA center for cap space and add a young big in the draft too.
Noel and Sengeren with Zach Collins or whoever

Post #378 » by **Diop** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:48 am

BigSlam wrote:I’d be happy with signing Favors on a cheap 1+1 contract as a stop gap should we end up drafting one of the bigs in the draft.

He’d serve that purpose just fine IMO.

We’d have to trade for him he’s on $10 mill next year, with a player option the next year

Braggins · Post #379 » by **Braggins** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:07 am

LofJ wrote:If the Jazz are offering the 30th pick to salary dump Derrick Favors we should take that and run. He would have been the best big on our roster last year.

Are they trying to do this? Favors probably wouldn't be my first choice, but hes serviceable enough and not much better/worse than the guys I think they should be looking at in free agency, so this seems like a really interesting option to me if its on the table.

Liver_Pooty · Post #380 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:29 am

Pacers would cry tears of joy if they received Hayward in return for Turner.