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Post#2021 » by Onus » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:48 pm

ChuckDurn wrote:ESPN’s new mock draft this morning has the Warriors taking Wagner at 7 (and Duarte at 14). I don’t recall who they had there before (either Mitchell, Bouknight, or Kuminga), but having Wagner there is a definite change. (Note: they had Bouknight going 6, and the Warriors passing on Kuminga, who they show going 8th.)

And Chad Ford published a note which said the Warriors were looking at Kuminga, Bouknight, and Wagner, but that “there’s a growing consensus “ around Wagner at 7.

He’s who I want, though if Kuminga is there at 7 (i.e. if Bouknight went top 6), I do think we should explore trades. I suspect somebody will want to move up for him, and would offer value.

I have to give credit to the fact that the Warriors have been linked to so many guys at 7 (Mitchell, Moody, Bouknight, Kuminga, Wagner) that I don’t think anybody knows who they really are going after. It’s possible the Warriors aren’t interested in Wagner at 7, but have leaked something in order to try to get somebody to trade up. Everybody thinks the Kings are in love with him at 9, so it wouldn’t be shocking to see the Warriors trying to coerce a trade-up from the Kings, and still get somebody that they’re interested in at 9.

This is such good news. He fits so seamlessly and is such an obvious fit. He would really complete the defense in any small lineup with his help defense while having 2 good point of attack defenders who don’t really do much off the ball.

Even if this is a smokescreen we might be able to get an extra asset out of the grizz or kings
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Post#2022 » by Scoots1994 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:03 pm

More chatter that the Warriors are going to take the top potential available at 7 and more play now at 14 which is what I've been saying for a while ... I just hope 14 isn't Duarte.

To me that means that 7 is likely not going to be Mitchell, Kispert, Moody, Sengun, or Wagner, just because I see those players as closer to their ceilings.
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Post#2023 » by mos_def » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:04 pm

Jester_ wrote:What's Franz Wagner's upside? AK47?

Ak47? Did you ever see AK? Kirilenko was a shot blocking machine. His size fits more scottie barnes.

Im not thrashing you but they way off. Now if you just talking about offense skill set than maybe. Franz is known for his defense but it aint AK level.
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Post#2024 » by mos_def » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:06 pm

8-)
Scoots1994 wrote:More chatter that the Warriors are going to take the top potential available at 7 and more play now at 14 which is what I've been saying for a while ... I just hope 14 isn't Duarte.

To me that means that 7 is likely not going to be Mitchell, Kispert, Moody, Sengun, or Wagner, just because I see those players as closer to their ceilings.

So eliminating your selections that only leaves kuminga and bouk?
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Post#2025 » by mos_def » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:08 pm

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Mac1958 wrote:With a draft this deep I would have seriously considered the Knicks' offer of 19 and 21 for our 14th pick. Probably would have pulled the trigger. This team needs depth, and 14 wouldn't be a starter anyway.

The offer is probably gonna still be there on draft night. No reason to take it early before seeing who is available.

Im wondering what the wizards would want. 14 or 19 and 21.
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Post#2026 » by Scoots1994 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:19 pm

mos_def wrote:8-)
Scoots1994 wrote:More chatter that the Warriors are going to take the top potential available at 7 and more play now at 14 which is what I've been saying for a while ... I just hope 14 isn't Duarte.

To me that means that 7 is likely not going to be Mitchell, Kispert, Moody, Sengun, or Wagner, just because I see those players as closer to their ceilings.

So eliminating your selections that only leaves kuminga and bouk?


Or JJ, Keon, Giddey, or Kai.
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Post#2027 » by mos_def » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:42 pm

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mos_def wrote:8-)
Scoots1994 wrote:More chatter that the Warriors are going to take the top potential available at 7 and more play now at 14 which is what I've been saying for a while ... I just hope 14 isn't Duarte.

To me that means that 7 is likely not going to be Mitchell, Kispert, Moody, Sengun, or Wagner, just because I see those players as closer to their ceilings.

So eliminating your selections that only leaves kuminga and bouk?


Or JJ, Keon, Giddey, or Kai.

Damn you mike dunleavy, lol
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Post#2028 » by ILOVEIT » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:59 pm

I'm all in on Giddey. And I think in the back of Warriors leadership minds they want to makeup for the miss on Ball last year. Giddey is a similar talent.
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Post#2029 » by GSWFan1994 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:04 pm

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Jester_ wrote:What's Franz Wagner's upside? AK47?

Ak47? Did you ever see AK? Kirilenko was a shot blocking machine. His size fits more scottie barnes.

Im not thrashing you but they way off. Now if you just talking about offense skill set than maybe. Franz is known for his defense but it aint AK level.


I'd compare Wagner to a young Danilo Gallinari. Tall, long wing who can shoot from outside, handle well and playmake for others.

But on defense he seems like he's already better than Gallo ever was. Much better potential too.
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Post#2030 » by KevinMcreynolds » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:26 pm

That player development guy David Thorpe, who Chad Ford has on his podcast a lot and who seems to be right about prospects more than anyone, has his big board as:

1. Mobley
2. Barnes
3. Cade
4. Suggs
5. Green
6. Bouknight
7. Kuminga

One interest thing he said is he thought the competition in the g-league bubble was worse than D1 college and any overseas league he watched.
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Post#2031 » by whatisacenter » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:30 pm

I would love Suggs...

The Golden State Warriors are trying to move up in the draft with Jalen Suggs at their target. Suggs has been most strongly linked with the Toronto Raptors at No. 4 as a clear top-3 has formed in Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley and Jalen Green.

The Warriors could use a package of James Wiseman and the No. 7 pick to move up for Suggs.

Read on Twitter

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263485/Warriors-Interested-In-Moving-Up-With-Jalen-Suggs-As-Target
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Post#2032 » by GQ Hot Dog » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:30 pm

"Sources within the organization" have said Warriors are all in on Kuminga, Wagner, Bouknight and Giddey. Am I missing anyone? Warriors FO is the premiere smokescreener in the NBA, not even close. Every time we're picking in a relevant spot we're attached to every likely prospect available. Maddening for us fans but we should be thankful our FO is so good at this. Light Years Ahead™
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Post#2033 » by Mob Byers » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:45 pm

whatisacenter wrote:I would love Suggs...

The Golden State Warriors are trying to move up in the draft with Jalen Suggs at their target. Suggs has been most strongly linked with the Toronto Raptors at No. 4 as a clear top-3 has formed in Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley and Jalen Green.

The Warriors could use a package of James Wiseman and the No. 7 pick to move up for Suggs.

Read on Twitter

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263485/Warriors-Interested-In-Moving-Up-With-Jalen-Suggs-As-Target


So Kuminga/Wiseman or Moody/Wiseman for Suggs?

Goddam is he THAT good? Would have to follow up and trade Poole, too many undersized guys needing minutes between Suggs/Poole/Curry
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Post#2034 » by GSWFan1994 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:46 pm

GQ Hot Dog wrote:"Sources within the organization" have said Warriors are all in on Kuminga, Wagner, Bouknight and Giddey. Am I missing anyone? Warriors FO is the premiere smokescreener in the NBA, not even close. Every time we're picking in a relevant spot we're attached to every likely prospect available. Maddening for us fans but we should be thankful our FO is so good at this. Light Years Ahead™


Maybe it's not the FO, but the media doing its job as usual.
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Post#2035 » by GQ Hot Dog » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:49 pm

NO to Wagner(he's a catch and shoot stretch 4/5 which we shouldn't be investing the 7th pick on, if the Kings think he's their SF of the future they're in for a rude awakening), Giddey(being a nice passer is his ONLY NBA attribute and it's not enough, no shooting, no finishing, mediocre ballhandler, no defense, plays slow), Bouknight(usg% 31.6 ast% 12.8 is embarrassing, Collin Sexton was usg% 29.7 ast% 22.6 and Jordan Clarkson was usg% 29.7 ast% 15.3 for comparison).

YES to Kuminga(built like Lebron, he'll be able to come off the bench in the Kelly Oubre role from day 1), Moody(classic 3D wing swingman has enough defensive versatility to come in behind Klay or Wiggins from day 1).
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Post#2036 » by GSWFan1994 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:52 pm

Mob Byers wrote:So Kuminga/Wiseman or Moody/Wiseman for Suggs?

Goddam is he THAT good? Would have to follow up and trade Poole, too many undersized guys needing minutes between Suggs/Poole/Curry


Mobert, I'd take anything Chad Ford says with a grain of salt.

I'm under the impression he's trying hard to generate clicks to sell his content. It's the golden time of the year for him.
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Post#2037 » by HiRez » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:52 pm

whatisacenter wrote:I would love Suggs...

The Golden State Warriors are trying to move up in the draft with Jalen Suggs at their target. Suggs has been most strongly linked with the Toronto Raptors at No. 4 as a clear top-3 has formed in Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley and Jalen Green.

The Warriors could use a package of James Wiseman and the No. 7 pick to move up for Suggs.

Read on Twitter

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263485/Warriors-Interested-In-Moving-Up-With-Jalen-Suggs-As-Target

OH HELL YES. Been dreaming about this, please let it be true! (Still give it <10% chance of happening, but cool that it's not just in my head).
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Post#2038 » by GQ Hot Dog » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:53 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:
GQ Hot Dog wrote:"Sources within the organization" have said Warriors are all in on Kuminga, Wagner, Bouknight and Giddey. Am I missing anyone? Warriors FO is the premiere smokescreener in the NBA, not even close. Every time we're picking in a relevant spot we're attached to every likely prospect available. Maddening for us fans but we should be thankful our FO is so good at this. Light Years Ahead™


Maybe it's not the FO, but the media doing its job as usual.


The Warriors seem uniquely leak prone and the leakers all say different things. It gives the impression of an FO that is overwhelmed by the amount of options and can't make up its mind. Unpredictable, chaotic. It all seems calculated to make opposing FOs insecure and impulsive. "We gotta trade up because those Warriors nutjobs might take our guy!"
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Post#2039 » by whatisacenter » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:54 pm

Mob Byers wrote:
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whatisacenter wrote:I would love Suggs...

The Golden State Warriors are trying to move up in the draft with Jalen Suggs at their target. Suggs has been most strongly linked with the Toronto Raptors at No. 4 as a clear top-3 has formed in Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley and Jalen Green.

The Warriors could use a package of James Wiseman and the No. 7 pick to move up for Suggs.

Read on Twitter

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263485/Warriors-Interested-In-Moving-Up-With-Jalen-Suggs-As-Target


So Kuminga/Wiseman or Moody/Wiseman for Suggs?

Goddam is he THAT good? Would have to follow up and trade Poole, too many undersized guys needing minutes between Suggs/Poole/Curry


Suggs is my no.1 and is a 6'4" PG who could play with Curry.
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Post#2040 » by Mob Byers » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:56 pm

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GQ Hot Dog wrote:"Sources within the organization" have said Warriors are all in on Kuminga, Wagner, Bouknight and Giddey. Am I missing anyone? Warriors FO is the premiere smokescreener in the NBA, not even close. Every time we're picking in a relevant spot we're attached to every likely prospect available. Maddening for us fans but we should be thankful our FO is so good at this. Light Years Ahead™


Maybe it's not the FO, but the media doing its job as usual.


The Warriors seem uniquely leak prone and the leakers all say different things. It gives the impression of an FO that is overwhelmed by the amount of options and can't make up its mind. Unpredictable, chaotic. It all seems calculated to make opposing FOs insecure and impulsive. "We gotta trade up because those Warriors nutjobs might take our guy!"


I think that's a good read on things, especially when you consider Bob in yesterdays press conference. This is exactly how he made it seem.

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