2021 Draft Thread

[ChuckDurn]

My draft / trade ideal.

OKC takes Bouknight at 6, so Kuminga (and Wagner) are on the board at 7.

The Kings fear we’re going to take Wagner, so we make trade #1: #7 + Wiggins for #9 + Barnes + Delon Wright.

Sacramento takes Wagner at 7.

Orlando take either Kuminga or Moody…… which are 2 guys linked to Memphis. So the other one is there at 9. We make trade #2: #9 for #10 + Bane.

At #10 we take Giddey.

At 14, we take one of Murphy, Sengun (if still there), or Garuba.

In free agency, we target a stretch 5 with the TP MLE - either Olynyk (probably can’t afford him) or Dieng.

So the roster is:
Curry / Wright (Poole) / Mannion
Klay / Poole (Wright) / Giddey (though he probably plays more PG on offense)
Barnes / Bane / (Murphy?)
Draymond / JTA / Paschall
Looney / Wiseman / Olynyk or Dieng / (Sengun or Garuba?)

Wright and Poole are both combo guards and float between those positions.

We’d pick up 2.5 experienced, good veterans for our bench - Wright, Olynyk/Dieng, and Bane (who was an old rookie last year).

We’d get Giddey, who probably wouldn’t play much this year, but Wright’s contract only runs 1 more year, so Giddey would naturally step-in in 2022-23. And we’d get either another young 3-and-D in Murphy (with length at the wing), or one of the top center prospects in Sengun or Garuba, picking our poison between offense or defense for those 2.

Plus we’d actually have much more tradeable salaries in Wright (makes $8.5M) and Barnes (makes $20.2M), where currently the only players who makes between Looney’s $5M and Draymond’s $25M is Wiseman, so it’s really difficult to construct trade scenarios.

How much of that seems far-fetched?

[clyde21]

just take Moody at 7 and call it a day, a pick is rarely this obvious.

14 is more of a discussion.

[KevinMcreynolds]

Wagner reminds me of Manleavy with a little more size

[weekend_warrior]

My draft / trade ideal.

OKC takes Bouknight at 6, so Kuminga (and Wagner) are on the board at 7.

The Kings fear we’re going to take Wagner, so we make trade #1: #7 + Wiggins for #9 + Barnes + Delon Wright.

Sacramento takes Wagner at 7.

Orlando take either Kuminga or Moody…… which are 2 guys linked to Memphis. So the other one is there at 9. We make trade #2: #9 for #10 + Bane.

At #10 we take Giddey.

At 14, we take one of Murphy, Sengun (if still there), or Garuba.

In free agency, we target a stretch 5 with the TP MLE - either Olynyk (probably can’t afford him) or Dieng.

So the roster is:
Curry / Wright (Poole) / Mannion
Klay / Poole (Wright) / Giddey (though he probably plays more PG on offense)
Barnes / Bane / (Murphy?)
Draymond / JTA / Paschall
Looney / Wiseman / Olynyk or Dieng / (Sengun or Garuba?)

Wright and Poole are both combo guards and float between those positions.

We’d pick up 2.5 experienced, good veterans for our bench - Wright, Olynyk/Dieng, and Bane (who was an old rookie last year).

We’d get Giddey, who probably wouldn’t play much this year, but Wright’s contract only runs 1 more year, so Giddey would naturally step-in in 2022-23. And we’d get either another young 3-and-D in Murphy (with length at the wing), or one of the top center prospects in Sengun or Garuba, picking our poison between offense or defense for those 2.

Plus we’d actually have much more tradeable salaries in Wright (makes $8.5M) and Barnes (makes $20.2M), where currently the only players who makes between Looney’s $5M and Draymond’s $25M is Wiseman, so it’s really difficult to construct trade scenarios.

How much of that seems far-fetched?

Do we really end up better here than just picking Wagner/Kuminga and whatever guy at #14 ourselves?

I don't really like the forward positions in your scenario. Barnes to me is more a power forward (and we need Wiggins to take pressure of Klay defensively as an on-ball defender) while Bane is a SG.

[HiRez]

My draft / trade ideal.

OKC takes Bouknight at 6, so Kuminga (and Wagner) are on the board at 7.

The Kings fear we’re going to take Wagner, so we make trade #1: #7 + Wiggins for #9 + Barnes + Delon Wright.

Sacramento takes Wagner at 7.

Orlando take either Kuminga or Moody…… which are 2 guys linked to Memphis. So the other one is there at 9. We make trade #2: #9 for #10 + Bane.

At #10 we take Giddey.

At 14, we take one of Murphy, Sengun (if still there), or Garuba.

In free agency, we target a stretch 5 with the TP MLE - either Olynyk (probably can’t afford him) or Dieng.

So the roster is:
Curry / Wright (Poole) / Mannion
Klay / Poole (Wright) / Giddey (though he probably plays more PG on offense)
Barnes / Bane / (Murphy?)
Draymond / JTA / Paschall
Looney / Wiseman / Olynyk or Dieng / (Sengun or Garuba?)

Wright and Poole are both combo guards and float between those positions.

We’d pick up 2.5 experienced, good veterans for our bench - Wright, Olynyk/Dieng, and Bane (who was an old rookie last year).

We’d get Giddey, who probably wouldn’t play much this year, but Wright’s contract only runs 1 more year, so Giddey would naturally step-in in 2022-23. And we’d get either another young 3-and-D in Murphy (with length at the wing), or one of the top center prospects in Sengun or Garuba, picking our poison between offense or defense for those 2.

Plus we’d actually have much more tradeable salaries in Wright (makes $8.5M) and Barnes (makes $20.2M), where currently the only players who makes between Looney’s $5M and Draymond’s $25M is Wiseman, so it’s really difficult to construct trade scenarios.

How much of that seems far-fetched?

I like your ideas and I've been on the trade down with Grizz to pick up Bane train, maybe I'm wrong but I don't think #9 for #10 is enough to have Bane thrown in. #7 for #10 I think it's possible and I would even do that because Bane's already a pretty good player who fills needs for us and there's still plenty of good players to be had at #10.

[Jester_]

What's Franz Wagner's upside? AK47?

Ak47? Did you ever see AK? Kirilenko was a shot blocking machine. His size fits more scottie barnes.

Im not thrashing you but they way off. Now if you just talking about offense skill set than maybe. Franz is known for his defense but it aint AK level.

I mean, that's my question - what's his upside. If he has real defensive potential it's an entirely different conversation.

[Jester_]

That player development guy David Thorpe, who Chad Ford has on his podcast a lot and who seems to be right about prospects more than anyone, has his big board as:

1. Mobley
2. Barnes
3. Cade
4. Suggs
5. Green
6. Bouknight
7. Kuminga

One interest thing he said is he thought the competition in the g-league bubble was worse than D1 college and any overseas league he watched.

This is the best mock I've seen (besides Bouk @ 6)

[Twinkie defense]

The Golden State Warriors are trying to move up in the draft with Jalen Suggs at their target. Suggs has been most strongly linked with the Toronto Raptors at No. 4 as a clear top-3 has formed in Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley and Jalen Green.

The Warriors could use a package of James Wiseman and the No. 7 pick to move up for Suggs.

Yes, please!

Suggs is my favorite player in the draft.

[ChuckDurn]

My draft / trade ideal.

OKC takes Bouknight at 6, so Kuminga (and Wagner) are on the board at 7.

The Kings fear we’re going to take Wagner, so we make trade #1: #7 + Wiggins for #9 + Barnes + Delon Wright.

Sacramento takes Wagner at 7.

Orlando take either Kuminga or Moody…… which are 2 guys linked to Memphis. So the other one is there at 9. We make trade #2: #9 for #10 + Bane.

At #10 we take Giddey.

At 14, we take one of Murphy, Sengun (if still there), or Garuba.

In free agency, we target a stretch 5 with the TP MLE - either Olynyk (probably can’t afford him) or Dieng.

So the roster is:
Curry / Wright (Poole) / Mannion
Klay / Poole (Wright) / Giddey (though he probably plays more PG on offense)
Barnes / Bane / (Murphy?)
Draymond / JTA / Paschall
Looney / Wiseman / Olynyk or Dieng / (Sengun or Garuba?)

Wright and Poole are both combo guards and float between those positions.

We’d pick up 2.5 experienced, good veterans for our bench - Wright, Olynyk/Dieng, and Bane (who was an old rookie last year).

We’d get Giddey, who probably wouldn’t play much this year, but Wright’s contract only runs 1 more year, so Giddey would naturally step-in in 2022-23. And we’d get either another young 3-and-D in Murphy (with length at the wing), or one of the top center prospects in Sengun or Garuba, picking our poison between offense or defense for those 2.

Plus we’d actually have much more tradeable salaries in Wright (makes $8.5M) and Barnes (makes $20.2M), where currently the only players who makes between Looney’s $5M and Draymond’s $25M is Wiseman, so it’s really difficult to construct trade scenarios.

How much of that seems far-fetched?

Do we really end up better here than just picking Wagner/Kuminga and whatever guy at #14 ourselves?

I don't really like the forward positions in your scenario. Barnes to me is more a power forward (and we need Wiggins to take pressure of Klay defensively as an on-ball defender) while Bane is a SG.

Yeah, the SF position is the one I’d be most worried about here…. I don’t disagree that Barnes’ best minutes are at the 4, and that Bane is under-sized a bit at the 3. I do think that our overall depth and roster would be far improved (now) while still having 2 good young talents in Giddey and the 14 pick.

[KevinMcreynolds]

So it’s a day before the draft, and our selection is becoming clearer and clearer:

We want win now players (source: Myers), so we’re probably looking at Moody, Wagner, or Mitchell but with the #7 pick we also want the highest potential player so that should include Kuminga, Bouknight and Giddey but we can’t discount the idea of Keon Johnson or Ziaire going at 7, but don’t forget that we’ve also worked out Duarte, Trey Murphy, Kispert and Cam Thomas who could all be surprise light-years selections, all of which would be moot if we use last years #2 selection to move up to #4 and select Jalen Suggs, as we don’t currently have any lead guards, but only if we can’t acquire Brad Beal, Pascal Siakam, or Myles Turner - trades that we’ll only make if Lacob pops his head out of the war room and sees his shadow which also means 6 extra weeks of summer

Say what you will about our FO but they really need to do better about masking their plans, very reckless to be so transparent

The drafting win now players claim is total bs. I don’t think anyone really buys that.

[osx28]

My draft / trade ideal.

OKC takes Bouknight at 6, so Kuminga (and Wagner) are on the board at 7.

The Kings fear we’re going to take Wagner, so we make trade #1: #7 + Wiggins for #9 + Barnes + Delon Wright.

Sacramento takes Wagner at 7.

Orlando take either Kuminga or Moody…… which are 2 guys linked to Memphis. So the other one is there at 9. We make trade #2: #9 for #10 + Bane.

At #10 we take Giddey.

At 14, we take one of Murphy, Sengun (if still there), or Garuba.

In free agency, we target a stretch 5 with the TP MLE - either Olynyk (probably can’t afford him) or Dieng.

So the roster is:
Curry / Wright (Poole) / Mannion
Klay / Poole (Wright) / Giddey (though he probably plays more PG on offense)
Barnes / Bane / (Murphy?)
Draymond / JTA / Paschall
Looney / Wiseman / Olynyk or Dieng / (Sengun or Garuba?)

Wright and Poole are both combo guards and float between those positions.

We’d pick up 2.5 experienced, good veterans for our bench - Wright, Olynyk/Dieng, and Bane (who was an old rookie last year).

We’d get Giddey, who probably wouldn’t play much this year, but Wright’s contract only runs 1 more year, so Giddey would naturally step-in in 2022-23. And we’d get either another young 3-and-D in Murphy (with length at the wing), or one of the top center prospects in Sengun or Garuba, picking our poison between offense or defense for those 2.

Plus we’d actually have much more tradeable salaries in Wright (makes $8.5M) and Barnes (makes $20.2M), where currently the only players who makes between Looney’s $5M and Draymond’s $25M is Wiseman, so it’s really difficult to construct trade scenarios.

How much of that seems far-fetched?

Do we really end up better here than just picking Wagner/Kuminga and whatever guy at #14 ourselves?

I don't really like the forward positions in your scenario. Barnes to me is more a power forward (and we need Wiggins to take pressure of Klay defensively as an on-ball defender) while Bane is a SG.

Barnes used to play the 3 for us for the majority of his minutes back in the day. As he got stronger he started to play 4 more, but even last year as per https://www.cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/183/positions#tab-team_efficiency, he played 40% of the time at the 3 and was more efficient at the 3 than 4 as well. He's 29 so he hasn't really slowed down that much to not be able to guard the quicker 3s and he is much stronger now than when he played for us so he doesn't get bullied as much by bigger 3s or 4s.

Plus Wright is big enough to guard 2s and some 3s if needed.

I'm not sure I'd take Giddey if we're getting Wright in that trade. I think I wouldn't do the second trade with Memphis and just take Moody there.

So you get Wright who can play 1-2, Moody 2-3 and barnes 3-4. Yes we would unquestionably be better off than taking Wagner, Bouknight or even Kouminga at 7 only. 3 players that can contribute now instead of one.

Then at 14 you draft another 3d wing like Murphy or Duarte or swing for the fences with Zaire or Jonshon. That would give us both future and present upside since we don't have to trade Wiseman either.

[FNQ]

So it’s a day before the draft, and our selection is becoming clearer and clearer:

We want win now players (source: Myers), so we’re probably looking at Moody, Wagner, or Mitchell but with the #7 pick we also want the highest potential player so that should include Kuminga, Bouknight and Giddey but we can’t discount the idea of Keon Johnson or Ziaire going at 7, but don’t forget that we’ve also worked out Duarte, Trey Murphy, Kispert and Cam Thomas who could all be surprise light-years selections, all of which would be moot if we use last years #2 selection to move up to #4 and select Jalen Suggs, as we don’t currently have any lead guards, but only if we can’t acquire Brad Beal, Pascal Siakam, or Myles Turner - trades that we’ll only make if Lacob pops his head out of the war room and sees his shadow which also means 6 extra weeks of summer

Say what you will about our FO but they really need to do better about masking their plans, very reckless to be so transparent

The drafting win now players claim is total bs. I don’t think anyone really buys that.

The projection is strong in you

[FNQ]

The Golden State Warriors are trying to move up in the draft with Jalen Suggs at their target. Suggs has been most strongly linked with the Toronto Raptors at No. 4 as a clear top-3 has formed in Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley and Jalen Green.

The Warriors could use a package of James Wiseman and the No. 7 pick to move up for Suggs.

Yes, please!

Suggs is my favorite player in the draft.

I hope, like mentioned before, that it also would include Boucher.. I think Wiseman + 7 is a little heavy

[weekend_warrior]

So you get Wright who can play 1-2, Moody 2-3 and barnes 3-4. Yes we would unquestionably be better off than taking Wagner, Bouknight or even Kouminga at 7 only. 3 players that can contribute now instead of one.

We traded away Wiggins in this case. All the other changes we can still do in both cases.

So it's really just Barnes+Wright vs. Wiggins. Personally, I see Wiggins as the better fit on this team. Of course the cap hit is bigger, too. Wright is ok, but a bit overpaid in my opinion. Not a positive value. If they are willing to spend, they could get someone like him back in an Oubre S&T.

[osx28]

My draft / trade ideal.

OKC takes Bouknight at 6, so Kuminga (and Wagner) are on the board at 7.

The Kings fear we’re going to take Wagner, so we make trade #1: #7 + Wiggins for #9 + Barnes + Delon Wright.

Sacramento takes Wagner at 7.

Orlando take either Kuminga or Moody…… which are 2 guys linked to Memphis. So the other one is there at 9. We make trade #2: #9 for #10 + Bane.

At #10 we take Giddey.

At 14, we take one of Murphy, Sengun (if still there), or Garuba.

In free agency, we target a stretch 5 with the TP MLE - either Olynyk (probably can’t afford him) or Dieng.

So the roster is:
Curry / Wright (Poole) / Mannion
Klay / Poole (Wright) / Giddey (though he probably plays more PG on offense)
Barnes / Bane / (Murphy?)
Draymond / JTA / Paschall
Looney / Wiseman / Olynyk or Dieng / (Sengun or Garuba?)

Wright and Poole are both combo guards and float between those positions.

We’d pick up 2.5 experienced, good veterans for our bench - Wright, Olynyk/Dieng, and Bane (who was an old rookie last year).

We’d get Giddey, who probably wouldn’t play much this year, but Wright’s contract only runs 1 more year, so Giddey would naturally step-in in 2022-23. And we’d get either another young 3-and-D in Murphy (with length at the wing), or one of the top center prospects in Sengun or Garuba, picking our poison between offense or defense for those 2.

Plus we’d actually have much more tradeable salaries in Wright (makes $8.5M) and Barnes (makes $20.2M), where currently the only players who makes between Looney’s $5M and Draymond’s $25M is Wiseman, so it’s really difficult to construct trade scenarios.

How much of that seems far-fetched?

If Sac wants to win now, this whole thing might be far fetched. I really like it for us though, I might even through a protected future first to entice Sacramento.

I'm not sure Memphis would give up Banes to move up 1 pick though, I wish they would but I doubt it. They might give him or another of their nice young players to move up to 7 though, so it would be a matter of whether we like Sacramento's package or Memphis package more. Which would you go for?

Another version of the SAC trade I have seen is that Sac wants to get rid of Buddy and Bagley's contracts, they might want to send us those two instead of Barnes and Wright. I might do that if i think we can get a decent SF in free agency like Porter, McDermott or Bullock. Buddy might not be too happy coming off the bench but he's got 3 years on his contrat so he doesn't have much of a choice and he would make our bench elite offensively.

Or what about Buddy and Barnes? We'd only need to include Paschall and lee on top of Wiggs and the money matches.
I think I like this one most, Buddy, Barnes and whoever we take at 9 would bring great depth as well. If Moody you got backup 2-3 to help spell Klay. If Giddey or Mitchell you got another backup playmaker which we sorely need.

Throw in future firsts if needed, they'll hopefully be picks in the 20s anyway.

What do you think about any of these?

[WESCO]

The Golden State Warriors are trying to move up in the draft with Jalen Suggs at their target. Suggs has been most strongly linked with the Toronto Raptors at No. 4 as a clear top-3 has formed in Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley and Jalen Green.

The Warriors could use a package of James Wiseman and the No. 7 pick to move up for Suggs.

Yes, please!

Suggs is my favorite player in the draft.

I hope, like mentioned before, that it also would include Boucher.. I think Wiseman + 7 is a little heavy

Water boy AND suggs for wise and 7.

DONE-DADA

Bob is a hero again.

[osx28]

So you get Wright who can play 1-2, Moody 2-3 and barnes 3-4. Yes we would unquestionably be better off than taking Wagner, Bouknight or even Kouminga at 7 only. 3 players that can contribute now instead of one.

We traded away Wiggins in this case. All the other changes we can still do in both cases.

So it's really just Barnes+Wright vs. Wiggins. Personally, I see Wiggins as the better fit on this team. Of course the cap hit is bigger, too. Wright is ok, but a bit overpaid in my opinion. Not a positive value. If they are willing to spend, they could get someone like him back in an Oubre S&T.

You know you are right, Wiggins is a better fit than either of them individually and perhaps combined. We do need some more depth though and giving Wiggins up might be the only way to do it. Talent-wise I think we'd be getting 120 cents on the dollar for Wiggs, fit-wise it might be 90, but that's Steve Kerr's job to make it fit IMO.

[weekend_warrior]

So you get Wright who can play 1-2, Moody 2-3 and barnes 3-4. Yes we would unquestionably be better off than taking Wagner, Bouknight or even Kouminga at 7 only. 3 players that can contribute now instead of one.

We traded away Wiggins in this case. All the other changes we can still do in both cases.

So it's really just Barnes+Wright vs. Wiggins. Personally, I see Wiggins as the better fit on this team. Of course the cap hit is bigger, too. Wright is ok, but a bit overpaid in my opinion. Not a positive value. If they are willing to spend, they could get someone like him back in an Oubre S&T.

You know you are right, Wiggins is a better fit than either of them individually and perhaps combined. We do need some more depth though and giving Wiggins up might be the only way to do it. Talent-wise I think we'd be getting 120 cents on the dollar for Wiggs, fit-wise it might be 90, but that's Steve Kerr's job to make it fit IMO.

I agree that last years team was too thin. But I would prefer to keep the pieces that fit nicely (Wiggins) and try to improve without a trade with so many moving parts. (That always brings the problem that you don't know if the new pieces fit and how long it takes to make them fit.)

Klay coming back, Poole improving, the TP-MLE, that's 3 solid pieces. Maybe we can really get a S&T done with Oubre.

If that's not enough, we should rather look into trading Wiseman. His salary would allow to get a good player back, while he is kinda useless on the pitch at the moment.

And if we end up with Wagner and Murphy, we should get something out of the rookies as well.

Curry, Poole
Klay
Wiggins, Wagner, Murphy
Green, JTA
Looney, Wiseman/trade

+TP-MLE (center or SG)

That's not too bad.

[and1GS]

The Golden State Warriors are trying to move up in the draft with Jalen Suggs at their target. Suggs has been most strongly linked with the Toronto Raptors at No. 4 as a clear top-3 has formed in Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley and Jalen Green.

The Warriors could use a package of James Wiseman and the No. 7 pick to move up for Suggs.

Yes, please!

Suggs is my favorite player in the draft.

I hope, like mentioned before, that it also would include Boucher.. I think Wiseman + 7 is a little heavy

Same, but I'd be blown away if TOR was willing to throw anything of real value into the deal. To make contracts work for Wise/7 though they'd have to add one of Baynes or Boucher. They could also add in a near min guy like Watanabe or Flynn. OG would not work salary-wise and, in reality, they would not/should not deal him anyway.

I would be very surprised if we used a package beyond picks to get a pick and filler contracts from useful, but not gamechanging vets.

[osx28]

We traded away Wiggins in this case. All the other changes we can still do in both cases.

So it's really just Barnes+Wright vs. Wiggins. Personally, I see Wiggins as the better fit on this team. Of course the cap hit is bigger, too. Wright is ok, but a bit overpaid in my opinion. Not a positive value. If they are willing to spend, they could get someone like him back in an Oubre S&T.

You know you are right, Wiggins is a better fit than either of them individually and perhaps combined. We do need some more depth though and giving Wiggins up might be the only way to do it. Talent-wise I think we'd be getting 120 cents on the dollar for Wiggs, fit-wise it might be 90, but that's Steve Kerr's job to make it fit IMO.

I agree that last years team was too thin. But I would prefer to keep the pieces that fit nicely (Wiggins) and try to improve without a trade with so many moving parts. (That always brings the problem that you don't know if the new pieces fit and how long it takes to make them fit.)

Klay coming back, Poole improving, the TP-MLE, that's 3 solid pieces. Maybe we can really get a S&T done with Oubre.

If that's not enough, we should rather look into trading Wiseman. His salary would allow to get a good player back, while he is kinda useless on the pitch at the moment.

And if we end up with Wagner and Murphy, we should get something out of the rookies as well.

Curry, Poole
Klay
Wiggins, Wagner, Murphy
Green, JTA
Looney, Wiseman/trade

+TP-MLE (center or SG)

That's not too bad.

Not too bad at all, I would just hope Wiggins can take another leap and that we can get a nice SG with that MLE. It would be pretty dope if Oladipo were to do a Boogie Cousins and take a 1 year "prove it" deal with us. Put Oladipo into that roster you just wrote and if he stays healthy we're in contention for sure.


What do you think of the other potential SAC trades I mentioned a few posts above? Buddy hield seems to be quite available because his contract is even longer than Wiggins's. Buddy and Barnes I think changes the equation quite a bit.