bkseven wrote:dirkforpres wrote:She has given enough and then some to Team USA. She deserves a break
Then she could have taken that break earlier before the Olympics started... There were other US Olympians competing for her spot.
CobraCommander wrote:Statlanta wrote:I don't care that she dropped out, but I do care that she's dominating the headlines every time I turn on the news when she does something mediocre to good.
The GOAT talk needs to stop.
Who is better tho?
Jedi32 wrote:bkseven wrote:dirkforpres wrote:She has given enough and then some to Team USA. She deserves a break
Then she could have taken that break earlier before the Olympics started... There were other US Olympians competing for her spot.
They could have beaten her for the spot and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Pointgod wrote:I don’t know how you idiots bring Lebron into this but Michael Jeffrey Jordan literally quit in his prime and he’s still the GOAT. Stop turning this into some pity party for men or some bull. Lots of male athletes have retired early or quit playing while they still had a lot to give and they don’t get criticized. Just because they aren’t open about it being a mental health issue doesn’t mean it wasn’t a factor.
WarriorGM wrote:CobraCommander wrote:Statlanta wrote:I don't care that she dropped out, but I do care that she's dominating the headlines every time I turn on the news when she does something mediocre to good.
The GOAT talk needs to stop.
Who is better tho?
Nadia Comaneci was the gymnastics poster girl before.
Age 4 to age 15...she had to quit after her 4th broken wrist and knee surgery. Her orthopeadic surgeon said her body wasn't holding up and already had the knees of a 60 year old woman. She was working out 5 to 6 hours per day 6 days per week. Physically, she could do things that would blow your mind.dlts20 wrote:a8bil wrote:As a father of a daughter who was a near elite level gymnast, I have marveled at the spectacle that has been Simone Biles. She has been so far beyond any other gymnast that has gone before her that you had to sometimes wonder if she was human.
So many young women fall out of the sport because of injuries...my daughter included. But the bigger toll has always seemed to be mental. When a gymnast gets the yips...the outcomes can be catastrophic. A hesitation on the vault, or on the bars, beam or floor can lead to serious injury. These women have spent most of their lives watching one after another of their fellow gymnasts fall during routines that resulted in broken wrists, separated shoulders, torn acls, broken ankles...in the worst cases, paralysis. It is a risk of the sport, and it often gets the best of the athletes. It's not like standing over an important putt, overthinking the stroke. For these athletes, to launch into tumbling run with any doubt as to whether they will land their skill can lead to debilitating mental blocks. I have seen young women stand ready to start their tumbling routines and just freeze for minutes because they can't get themselves to start. It's difficult to watch.
Biles, by contrast, seemed to perform without care, even as she attempted increasingly difficult skills that put her further beyond her fellow athletes, but closer and closer to a major fail. I have seen other gymnast who may not have had Simone's talent, but they were close physically. Mentally? No comparison. The risks Simone Biles took left my daughter and her gymnast friends in awe.
Well, it seems that the mental aspect of the sport finally caught up to her. I'm happy she was able to admit to herself that she was no longer able to cope with the stress. Failing to do so could have resulted in her suffering injury. Already, she was missing her skills in alarming fashion, almost jumping off the side of the landing mat on the vault for example. Things were amiss and I for one am glad she was human enough to acknowledge her frailty. It will help other athletes understand that their fears are not unique and that even the GOAT in their sport is human.
How long did your daughter participate for and how was her growth physically. I was going to put my daughter in gymnastics until I read that it stunts your growth
K3nny Pow3rs wrote:Pointgod wrote:I don’t know how you idiots bring Lebron into this but Michael Jeffrey Jordan literally quit in his prime and he’s still the GOAT. Stop turning this into some pity party for men or some bull. Lots of male athletes have retired early or quit playing while they still had a lot to give and they don’t get criticized. Just because they aren’t open about it being a mental health issue doesn’t mean it wasn’t a factor.
Jordan never quit during the NBA Finals, which is the equivalent of what Biles did.
Jordan never quit in the middle of any event.
You'd have to be a next-level Jordan-hater to draw a comparison between him and Biles, when he's the most reliable player of all-time on the biggest stage....
Pointgod wrote:I don’t know how you idiots bring Lebron into this but Michael Jeffrey Jordan literally quit in his prime and he’s still the GOAT. Stop turning this into some pity party for men or some bull. Lots of male athletes have retired early or quit playing while they still had a lot to give and they don’t get criticized. Just because they aren’t open about it being a mental health issue doesn’t mean it wasn’t a factor.
In-N-Out 247 wrote:K3nny Pow3rs wrote:Pointgod wrote:I don’t know how you idiots bring Lebron into this but Michael Jeffrey Jordan literally quit in his prime and he’s still the GOAT. Stop turning this into some pity party for men or some bull. Lots of male athletes have retired early or quit playing while they still had a lot to give and they don’t get criticized. Just because they aren’t open about it being a mental health issue doesn’t mean it wasn’t a factor.
Jordan never quit during the NBA Finals, which is the equivalent of what Biles did.
Jordan never quit in the middle of any event.
You'd have to be a next-level Jordan-hater to draw a comparison between him and Biles, when he's the most reliable player of all-time on the biggest stage....
Exactly, not the same thing at all. Closest thing I could think of was back when Kobe refused to shoot in the second half against the Suns in game 7. That was not a mental health thing though, he was just pissed at people calling him a ball hog. BTW, he was crucified for it in the media.
https://www.complex.com/sports/2014/05/kobe-bryant-awol-game-7-against-suns
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:thebigbird wrote:She quit on her team when they needed her the most. Bottom line. When you’re the best on your team you’re expected to show up when it matters. She didn’t. You all know damn well that if LeBron decided to sit out a game 7 of the NBA finals because he didn’t feel like playing and “needed a mental health day” he’d get torn to pieces. It’d be evidence that he’s “mentally weak” and “doesn’t have Jordan’s toughness.”
You're a clown of the highest order
gmoney411 wrote:dirkforpres wrote:bkseven wrote:
Then she could have taken that break earlier before the Olympics started... There were other US Olympians competing for her spot.
She thought she could handle it up until she realized she couldn’t. There’s no shame at all in her needing to step away for her self improvement
Funny thing is if she did that people would still be calling her a quitter. Simone Biles leaves team hanging right before Olympics. Instead she helped her team qualify for the finals and tried to go out and help them win the finals until she realized she couldn't get it done. How selfish of her.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/simone-biless-sacrifice-was-selfless"It is impossibly difficult to relive these experiences," she wrote, "and it breaks my heart even more to think that as I work towards my dream of competing in Tokyo 2020, I will have to continually return to the same training facility where I was abused."
Biles, America's Sweetheart and the public face of USA Gymnastics, was the only person with the political and public clout to force permanent change in women's gymnastics. She admitted as much when asked why she would subject herself to another five years of physical and emotional distress.
With the thinly veiled threat of choosing not to return for another go at the Olympics, Biles first forced USAG to cancel plans to formally buy the Karolyi Ranch and then persuaded the USOC to decertify USAG. Her last likely feat would be to prove that American gymnasts can still dominate, even without the brutal discipline of Karolyi-style coaching.
https://www.today.com/news/simone-biles-competing-tokyo-olympics-be-voice-abuse-survivors-t214955"I just feel like everything that happened, I had to come back to the sport to be a voice, to have change happen," Biles told Hoda Kotb in an interview that aired on TODAY Wednesday. "Because I feel like if there weren't a remaining survivor in the sport, they would've just brushed it to the side.
LastNameEver wrote:Im not comfortable with all these American “patriots” calling her coward, she’s not obligated to participate in anything against her own will just because some losers want a gold medal to vicariously claim
People forget that Kevin Love ran out of an NBA game in the middle of it because he was having a panic attack. He didn't return, but instead went to the hospital for treatment. I don't recall anyone being critical of KL...in fact, his honesty about what happened actually opened up a lot of the discussion about the mental health issues players go through.WarriorGM wrote:LikeABosh wrote:WarriorGM wrote:
You're paid more so you have more resources to deal with it.
Right, but are you saying it'd be less excusable for LeBron to miss game 7 due to mental health reasons because he had more resources to deal with it?
It's not as dangerous so what's the reason? Yips and he believes the team would perform better without him? Then he'll take a hit to being called the best. To be frank the scenario you have laid out may have already happened in the 2011 finals but with LeBron continuing to play. His career survived.
Kevin Love and DeMar DeRozan have spoken out about mental health. They seem to retain respect from what I can tell.
K3nny Pow3rs wrote:Pointgod wrote:I don’t know how you idiots bring Lebron into this but Michael Jeffrey Jordan literally quit in his prime and he’s still the GOAT. Stop turning this into some pity party for men or some bull. Lots of male athletes have retired early or quit playing while they still had a lot to give and they don’t get criticized. Just because they aren’t open about it being a mental health issue doesn’t mean it wasn’t a factor.
Jordan never quit during the NBA Finals, which is the equivalent of what Biles did.
Jordan never quit in the middle of any event.
You'd have to be a next-level Jordan-hater to draw a comparison between him and Biles, when he's the most reliable player of all-time on the biggest stage....
KembaWalker wrote:what I wanna know is....why is she considered the GOAT so vehemently when she has 6 medals which doesn't even put her in the top 10..is this some Americentrism thing?