2021 Draft Thread

shazam_guy · Post #2101 » by **shazam_guy** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:01 pm

The people on this board ain't paying Wiggins salary, so what's the hurry to flip him for virtually anything that breathes? He's been offered (at least on this board) as part of a trade for virtually every half-decent player in the league, including a number that really don't fit with the Dubs, or as part of a move up in the draft for players who may be great but may also turn out much less useful than Wigs. Meanwhile, he's a damn good player that we've already integrated into the team, a long and capable defender who can hit some shots and give us somewhere between 15 and 20 points every night without too much trouble.

I just don't get this feverish approach, this everything-must-change freakout. We've got a good core, but we don't know what Klay's going to be yet, so defense is something we need to be particularly careful about. It's a good draft -- very good -- and much deeper than usual, with a lot of pretty good defenders who can shoot. We've got two lottery picks. I'm just glad that fans aren't running the team.

Onus · Post #2102 » by **Onus** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:05 pm

FNQ wrote:
Onus wrote:Why would we trade up for Suggs? We should be trading for SGA

OKC probably not giving him up without the #1 pick

They said they were listening to trades and if Wiseman + 7 + 14 can be the base of a beal, dame, simmons trade, okc should listen to that.

Twinkie defense · Post #2103 » by **Twinkie defense** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:09 pm

Onus wrote:Why would we trade up for Suggs? We should be trading for SGA

Because he's a multi-skilled, tough-nosed winner - and you can't have enough of those guys.

tal57 · Post #2104 » by **tal57** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:11 pm

shazam_guy wrote:The people on this board ain't paying Wiggins salary, so what's the hurry to flip him for virtually anything that breathes? He's been offered (at least on this board) as part of a trade for virtually every half-decent player in the league, including a number that really don't fit with the Dubs, or as part of a move up in the draft for players who may be great but may also turn out much less useful than Wigs. Meanwhile, he's a damn good player that we've already integrated into the team, a long and capable defender who can hit some shots and give us somewhere between 15 and 20 points every night without too much trouble.

I just don't get this feverish approach, this everything-must-change freakout. We've got a good core, but we don't know what Klay's going to be yet, so defense is something we need to be particularly careful about. It's a good draft -- very good -- and much deeper than usual, with a lot of pretty good defenders who can shoot. We've got two lottery picks. I'm just glad that fans aren't running the team.

That is not exactly true. In my opinion he should only be included in the deal for a max player and only because of the salary ballast.
Beal, Turner and TJ Warren, Siakam, those kinds of deals. Otherwise I am perfectly happy with him and of Klay is back to his old self, I think Wiggins will be that much better simply by association. KT's impact will result in Wiggins' enhanced impact.

DevinVassell · Post #2105 » by **DevinVassell** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:18 pm

clyde21 wrote:
DevinVassell wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
u addressed nothing in my post and made no good points of your own

congrats on a terrible post.

So now Bouknight is undersized? Jesus H Christ.... and what is the average NBA height for a sg these days?

and Bouknights off ball movement is one of his strengths... your just making stuff up.

what the **** are you talking about? of course he's undersized. he logged in 6-3 at combine without shoes, yes, of course that's undersized, especially in our scheme where as a 2 he'll be asked to switch up to guard 3s, he won't be able to, he's a single-position defender, if that.

and lmao @ Bouk's strength being off-ball movement...just like Oubre off-ball movements were his strength, right? until you realize he's a one read cutter who has no clue how to relocate, make himself consistently available to the passer, or has any pick or screen setting juice.

it's bad enough I have to teach people on the general board about what the Warriors like to do and what kind of offense/players we've put on the court the last half a dozen years...but it's actually unbelievable that I have to consistently explain it to Dubs fans on this board. comical that ya'll still haven't learned your lesson after Wiseman.

i'll put this Bouknight BS to bed once and for all: we're talking about an undersized, heliocentric, ISO-heavy 2 guard who has piss poor vision/passing instincts, who shot 29% from 3 overall, shot 22% on spot up 3s (8-37), who's at best a single-position defender who won't be able to switch with a poor decision making history as a "lead" guard.

ya'll **** deserve Myers and the hellhole he's turned this team into...going from one of the best passing, highest IQ teams of all time to bringing on players like Oubre and Wiseman, and now seeing yall want him to take Bouknight. all yall care about is how cool he looks on a step 3 highlight because derp sportscenter derp without realizing he's a non-winning archetype in today's NBA and has ZERO historic fit in this scheme or with our personnel.

#2 and #7 overall picks in 2 consecutive drafts...only to come away with Wiseman and Bouknight...lmfao. yall really do deserve Myers.

You know the level of arrogance you need to write a statement like that is actually quite funny. But we do appreciate that you have dedicated 20 posts a day for the last 7 years to "teach" us simpletons what the warriors like to do. Truly impressive....

I say get your foot in the door and then you can turn this Myers created hellhole around.

https://www.teamworkonline.com/basketball-jobs/warriors/golden-state-warriors-careers/assistant-manager-kitchen-operations-1987629

Jester_ · Post #2106 » by **Jester_** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:22 pm

Onus wrote:
FNQ wrote:
Onus wrote:Why would we trade up for Suggs? We should be trading for SGA

OKC probably not giving him up without the #1 pick

They said they were listening to trades and if Wiseman + 7 + 14 can be the base of a beal, dame, simmons trade, okc should listen to that.

Lmao why in the world would OKC trade SGA for Wiseman/7/14

DevinVassell · Post #2107 » by **DevinVassell** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:25 pm

clyde21 wrote:just take Moody at 7 and call it a day, a pick is rarely this obvious.

14 is more of a discussion.

Jesus your all over the place mate.

Wagner, now Moody, Giddey last week... actually lets just take a swing at JJohnson. Before it was Springer or Butler or some shite from memory... or was it Scottie Lewis.

Onus · Post #2108 » by **Onus** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:29 pm

Jester_ wrote:
Onus wrote:
FNQ wrote:
OKC probably not giving him up without the #1 pick

They said they were listening to trades and if Wiseman + 7 + 14 can be the base of a beal, dame, simmons trade, okc should listen to that.

Lmao why in the world would OKC trade SGA for Wiseman/7/14

Because they want to reset their timeline, which is why they offered SGA for cade.

Post #2109 » by **FNQ** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:32 pm

Onus wrote:
FNQ wrote:
Onus wrote:Why would we trade up for Suggs? We should be trading for SGA

OKC probably not giving him up without the #1 pick

They said they were listening to trades and if Wiseman + 7 + 14 can be the base of a beal, dame, simmons trade, okc should listen to that.

They arent gonna go for more picks.. and I doubt they're making win now trades. They want whatever can get them long-term, cost-controlled assets. We just dont have what theyd want

Post #2110 » by **FNQ** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:35 pm

Twinkie defense wrote:
Onus wrote:Why would we trade up for Suggs? We should be trading for SGA

Because he's a multi-skilled, tough-nosed winner - and you can't have enough of those guys.

I'd be thrilled if we got Suggs, even though I typically hate moving up in drafts. And while we're taking Zaga players, get Ayayi as well. Hopefully we'd be very comfortable that one of the wings we like will be there at 14 though, because a wing is an absolute must in this draft.

But if we did use Wiseman to move up to 4, then the C position becomes a bit more open. And I dont see anyone in the draft who should be there at 14 that can step in and be a good C for us (not that Wiseman would either)

Jester_ · Post #2111 » by **Jester_** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:35 pm

Onus wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
Onus wrote:They said they were listening to trades and if Wiseman + 7 + 14 can be the base of a beal, dame, simmons trade, okc should listen to that.

Lmao why in the world would OKC trade SGA for Wiseman/7/14

Because they want to reset their timeline, which is why they offered SGA for cade.

That rumor is BS and resetting timelines by trading a 23 year old superstar for 19 year old potential stars makes no sense

Nvnervous45 · Post #2112 » by **Nvnervous45** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:38 pm

Anyone who thinks james Bouknight can pass needs to rewatch the vids. If anything is his weakness it would be 3 pt % and on defense.

Nvnervous45 · Post #2113 » by **Nvnervous45** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:39 pm

I meant can't

GS Warriors 1 · Post #2114 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:40 pm

KevinMcreynolds wrote:isn't SGA due a huge contract next year?

Yes, he's eligible for an extension this offseason.

Rookie max extension of 5 years, $168M that begins in the 22-23 season.

Post #2115 » by **FNQ** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:44 pm

Nvnervous45 wrote:Anyone who thinks james Bouknight can pass needs to rewatch the vids. If anything is his weakness it would be 3 pt % and on defense.

He is a poor decision maker with limited vision. Are we really arguing this point? This is the Klay argument all over again.. he can pass the ball sometimes but he's not going to create or make the smart play most of the time. But hes capable of doing it sometimes. So are you arguing against the idea he can't pass at all, or against the idea that he's not a good passer for a ballhandler?

Onus · Post #2116 » by **Onus** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:47 pm

FNQ wrote:
Onus wrote:
FNQ wrote:
OKC probably not giving him up without the #1 pick

They said they were listening to trades and if Wiseman + 7 + 14 can be the base of a beal, dame, simmons trade, okc should listen to that.

They arent gonna go for more picks.. and I doubt they're making win now trades. They want whatever can get them long-term, cost-controlled assets. We just dont have what theyd want

but what if cleveland wants more picks in this draft? OKC is looking to move up and having more high end picks rather than future picks that may be in the 20s is worth more to cleveland

Onus · Post #2117 » by **Onus** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:49 pm

Jester_ wrote:
Onus wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
Lmao why in the world would OKC trade SGA for Wiseman/7/14

Because they want to reset their timeline, which is why they offered SGA for cade.

That rumor is BS and resetting timelines by trading a 23 year old superstar for 19 year old potential stars makes no sense

It actually makes a lot of sense. By the time they can get a 2nd star to play with SGA they'll be capped out because of having to pay SGA, Dort, etc, meaning they won't be able to fill out the rest of the roster. Remember this is the same ownership group that didn't want to pay the tax for KD, Westbrook, and Harden. They are very cost conscientious.

Post #2118 » by **FNQ** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:49 pm

DevinVassell wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:
Sorry to break the news for you: we’re not selecting anywhere in the top 4 to have a player fulfill those voids. Moody and Wagner are likely boarderline career role players to decent starters, Kuminga is a project who doesn’t fit into the ballclub’s competitive window, JJ’s an even bigger project with a high risk/bust potential, Giddey may be worth a look but he’s only an elite passer aka another project who will take time to develop other areas of his game.

In other words: With where our drafting positions are currently, it’s no surprise some players will lack some elite skills and intangibles. Obviously, if we really don’t see potential NBA-ready prospects who can contribute, either trade out to other teams who see value for them or pick your available poisons.

u addressed nothing in my post and made no good points of your own

congrats on a terrible post.

So now Bouknight is undersized? Jesus H Christ.... and what is the average NBA height for a sg these days?

and Bouknights off ball movement is one of his strengths... your just making stuff up.

I'm seeing this come up a lot... is it? He was brutal at catch and shoot, slightly above average on cuts.. and as noted, he cuts a bit like Oubre - only to get the ball, never to latch a defender. That could be a UCONN issue more than a Bouknight issue, but its still a concern.

Nvnervous45 · Post #2119 » by **Nvnervous45** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:50 pm

I see bouknight's floor like a larry Hughes. I see Wagner's floor like a tom gugliotta. Personally I think Davion Mitchell could be our Vinnie microwave johnson off the bench.

Post #2120 » by **FNQ** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:50 pm

Onus wrote:
FNQ wrote:
Onus wrote:They said they were listening to trades and if Wiseman + 7 + 14 can be the base of a beal, dame, simmons trade, okc should listen to that.

They arent gonna go for more picks.. and I doubt they're making win now trades. They want whatever can get them long-term, cost-controlled assets. We just dont have what theyd want

but what if cleveland wants more picks in this draft? OKC is looking to move up and having more high end picks rather than future picks that may be in the 20s is worth more to cleveland

And I circle back to my original post: if they trade SGA, its for the #1 pick only. They arent gonna deal him just to move up 3 spots