Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[Krapinsky]

I'd compare Nance to a 25lb heavier version of Vanderbilt in terms of defense/rebounding. On offense he isn't going to carry a team, but he isn't going to be a major negative like Okogie/Vando. Teams will at least have to guard him on the perimeter.

I'd much prefer Vanderbilt over Nance, considering age, skill sets, similar low usage, and contract situations. Vanderbilt only 22 and Nance has gotten worse every year over the last 4 years. Not a great trend for a guy that relies on athleticism so much.

[Klomp]

I'd compare Nance to a 25lb heavier version of Vanderbilt in terms of defense/rebounding. On offense he isn't going to carry a team, but he isn't going to be a major negative like Okogie/Vando. Teams will at least have to guard him on the perimeter.

I'd much prefer Vanderbilt over Nance, considering age, skill sets, similar low usage, and contract situations. Vanderbilt only 22 and Nance has gotten worse every year over the last 4 years. Not a great trend for a guy that relies on athleticism so much.

Why does it have to be one over the other? Why not both?

[Krapinsky]

I'd compare Nance to a 25lb heavier version of Vanderbilt in terms of defense/rebounding. On offense he isn't going to carry a team, but he isn't going to be a major negative like Okogie/Vando. Teams will at least have to guard him on the perimeter.

I'd much prefer Vanderbilt over Nance, considering age, skill sets, similar low usage, and contract situations. Vanderbilt only 22 and Nance has gotten worse every year over the last 4 years. Not a great trend for a guy that relies on athleticism so much.

Why does it have to be one over the other? Why not both?

It certainly can be both, but I suppose the point I was trying to make in this comparison is how little I value Nance as an asset for this team.

[Nick K]

Has any non-wolves player been discussed more on this board than Larry Nance, Jr? We must have compiled a hundred plus pages over the year debating the merits of this league average forward.

If there was ever a team where he should have made an impact it was Cleveland last year with its void in the front court. Yet, he somehow only managed 1.8 winshares the entire season. Are we sure he is any good?

Aaron Gordon was another guy that got discussed way too much on this board before he got traded to the Nuggets.

I view Larry Nance in a similar way to Jae Crowder. They obviously have different skillsets, but they're similar in that they're both low usage role players who tend to look really good on good teams but also tend to look average to below average on bad teams. Cleveland was a dumpster fire last year, and I think Nance would look alot better surrounded by KAT, DLo, Ant, Beasley, etc.

TheProdigy, you make a hell of a lot of sense to me with Nance. I like him too but was hoping for more of a difference maker. I was close to getting on board with him but you have tipped me over the edge. Just as long as he can rebound, box out and not get moved off by other bigs, i'm in. It's not always about starpower you need the right pieces to fit.

[fattymcgee]

I agree with all of this. 6'10 plus or don't bother. Finch wants legit size in the front court...more than just weight. If Nance costs you Culver, Juancho or Layman do it. I wouldn't give up anything better and I wouldn't consider Nance our starting PF.

It's rare to find a 6'10" PF anymore now that the NBA measures players barefoot instead of in shoes. Historically the prototypical PFs have been 6'8" - 6'9" barefoot.

Huh, I feel like I could name a bunch.... Simmons, Isaac, Jackson Jr., Porzingis, Davis, Giannis, Durant, Sabonis for starters...you do have guys who are shorter that play the four... does not mean I want them.

I would take Kuzma over Nance...but that depends what Nance's pricetag is. As said, if it's Culver and Layman....sold. we have a new backup PF who can start until we find a good starter

Before I looked these up I thought more of them were over 6'10". With about 75 PF in the NBA I stand by what I said that it's rare to have a PF that is actually over 6'10".

Issac was just under 6'11" in shoes which means he was under 6'10" barefoot.
Ben Simmons 6'9.5" IN SHOES
Jaren Jackson Jr. Is considered a tall PF yet was 6'9 3/4" barefoot
Porzingis = giant
Durant was 6'9" barefoot at the draft
A.D. was 6'9 1/4" barefoot
Sabonis was listed at 6'10" pre-draft, not sure shoeless height
Giannis was drafted at 6'8 1/2" but grew to 6'11".

Larry Nance was 6'7 1/2" barefoot which means he is about 2" shorter than the guys listed who are considered tall for a PF. Nance is about average height for a PF and has a 7'1 1/2" wingspan and 9' standing reach which are above average. Nance definitely has good size for a PF but does he have the skillz?

[Klomp]

I'd compare Nance to a 25lb heavier version of Vanderbilt in terms of defense/rebounding. On offense he isn't going to carry a team, but he isn't going to be a major negative like Okogie/Vando. Teams will at least have to guard him on the perimeter.

I'd much prefer Vanderbilt over Nance, considering age, skill sets, similar low usage, and contract situations. Vanderbilt only 22 and Nance has gotten worse every year over the last 4 years. Not a great trend for a guy that relies on athleticism so much.

Vanderbilt is still mostly potential. I'd argue Nance already is what we're hoping Vanderbilt can become.

[Klomp]

This is part of what we're up against on their end

"How cool is it for him to come home? The kid was in borderline tears when I called him today," Altman said during a conference call to recap his watershed moment as GM. "He's ecstatic to be a part of it."

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2018/02/larry_nance_jr_was_in_borderli.html

[Domejandro]

If you can get Larry Nance Jr. for Juancho Hernangómez, Jarrett Culver, and a couple seconds, you obviously take it and run.

Not even discussion worthy.

[TheProdigy]

Has any non-wolves player been discussed more on this board than Larry Nance, Jr? We must have compiled a hundred plus pages over the year debating the merits of this league average forward.

If there was ever a team where he should have made an impact it was Cleveland last year with its void in the front court. Yet, he somehow only managed 1.8 winshares the entire season. Are we sure he is any good?

Aaron Gordon was another guy that got discussed way too much on this board before he got traded to the Nuggets.

I view Larry Nance in a similar way to Jae Crowder. They obviously have different skillsets, but they're similar in that they're both low usage role players who tend to look really good on good teams but also tend to look average to below average on bad teams. Cleveland was a dumpster fire last year, and I think Nance would look alot better surrounded by KAT, DLo, Ant, Beasley, etc.

TheProdigy, you make a hell of a lot of sense to me with Nance. I like him too but was hoping for more of a difference maker. I was close to getting on board with him but you have tipped me over the edge. Just as long as he can rebound, box out and not get moved off by other bigs, i'm in. It's not always about starpower you need the right pieces to fit.

I think he's a good fit but he's not the final piece to the puzzle. The injuries are a major concern. He's been in the league for 6 years and he's never played more than 70 games in a season. If we get him, we will need to have really good depth at the power forward position so we can manage injuries.

[Neeva]

I'd much prefer Vanderbilt over Nance, considering age, skill sets, similar low usage, and contract situations. Vanderbilt only 22 and Nance has gotten worse every year over the last 4 years. Not a great trend for a guy that relies on athleticism so much.

Why does it have to be one over the other? Why not both?

It certainly can be both, but I suppose the point I was trying to make in this comparison is how little I value Nance as an asset for this team.

You would need another PF because Nance is likely to
miss half the season.

[Klomp]

Why does it have to be one over the other? Why not both?

It certainly can be both, but I suppose the point I was trying to make in this comparison is how little I value Nance as an asset for this team.

You would need another PF because Nance is likely to
miss half the season.

All teams need more than one player at each position. That's why rosters are 15 deep instead of 5.

[moonpie]

Is Nance some superstar PF? No. He's not going to elevate a team by himself to playoff contention or anything, but he's the type of glue guy/intangibles/locker room presence/whatever you want to call it that compliments all of our players well, has previous chemistry with DLO from their Laker days, and would be a dream for Finch to coach probably.

[shangrila]

This is part of what we're up against on their end

"How cool is it for him to come home? The kid was in borderline tears when I called him today," Altman said during a conference call to recap his watershed moment as GM. "He's ecstatic to be a part of it."

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2018/02/larry_nance_jr_was_in_borderli.html

Pretty sure Nance denied that almost immediately so I'm not sure how much stock I'd put in it.

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[Nick K]

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Really smart move on the Lakers part. Hield would be great there. Plus they get rid of a few guys they'd give away for free if they could.

[Neeva]

They will be wanting to get rid of hield for free like sac after next season lol

[_AIJ_]

A lot of people will be disappointed tonight.

[Klomp]

This is part of what we're up against on their end

"How cool is it for him to come home? The kid was in borderline tears when I called him today," Altman said during a conference call to recap his watershed moment as GM. "He's ecstatic to be a part of it."

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2018/02/larry_nance_jr_was_in_borderli.html

Pretty sure Nance denied that almost immediately so I'm not sure how much stock I'd put in it.

Denied what? That he was excited that he now plays for his hometown team?

[shangrila]

This is part of what we're up against on their end

"How cool is it for him to come home? The kid was in borderline tears when I called him today," Altman said during a conference call to recap his watershed moment as GM. "He's ecstatic to be a part of it."

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2018/02/larry_nance_jr_was_in_borderli.html

Pretty sure Nance denied that almost immediately so I'm not sure how much stock I'd put in it.

Denied what? That he was excited that he now plays for his hometown team?

He denied that he was "borderline in tears" and, IIRC, said something to the effect of "it's cool" to play in Cleveland.

The point is he's not going to go to them to beg them not to trade him, so I'm not sure what we're supposed to be up against.

[_AIJ_]

I think Juancho, Culver, Layman are all gone after tonight