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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#401 » by Barkley6 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:19 am

Revived wrote:I’ve been arguably the biggest advocate on this forum for adding a quality backup big immediately after discovering that Damian Jones was hot trash.

That being said, if CP3 comes back and then plan is to “win now” then I don’t think drafting a backup big is the right idea. Bigs in general take very long to develop and wouldn’t fit exactly with CP3’s timeline. Plus we already have a young backup big Jalen Smith who was a very good draft prospect yet couldn’t beat out Frank Kaminsky for minutes all season long. I think that may repeat itself.

I think backup big is something that should be addressed in free agency or trade with a veteran guy that has the weight, strength, height and ability to battle in the paint.

Unless the Suns see a big man who is super NBA ready and basically a “plug and play” prospect, I’d pass. And usually “plug and play” guys don’t fall this late to the first round. There’s been some rare cases sure but not usually.

I think adding a player with ball handling and playmaking skills should be the move here. Whether that’s a wing or a PG (future CP3 successor or Payne replacement) doesn’t matter all that much imo.

Right now Suns have 3 ball handlers on the roster capable of playmaking and that’s CP3, Book and Payne. Problem is that playing all three together shrinks the Suns size significantly. If there is a 6’5+ player with a strong frame that can solve this then it would help the team quite a bit regardless of if CP3 returns or not.


We desperately need a bigger guard. One of the issues withe Moore, Carter and Galloway is none of them had the size to compete against bigger players on defense, and none of them were potent enough offensively to compensate for that. Give me someone with size, or at the very least a plus wingspan.
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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#402 » by Revived » Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:16 pm

Barkley6 wrote:We desperately need a bigger guard. One of the issues withe Moore, Carter and Galloway is none of them had the size to compete against bigger players on defense, and none of them were potent enough offensively to compensate for that. Give me someone with size, or at the very least a plus wingspan.

Daishen Nix is interesting for this reason. Has some playmaking skills, strong and can defend. Really bad shooter though so that’s something coaching staff would have to feel comfortable about helping him improve.

Jaden Springer another one to keep an eye on but he doesn’t have the ball handling ability you’d want to see from a guard.
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Post#403 » by Calvin Klein » Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:00 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Evan Sidery (@esidery) Tweeted:
Looking over the last five years, the No. 29 pick has a high hit rate:

2016 = Dejounte Murray
2017 = Derrick White
2018 = Dzanan Musa
2019 = Keldon Johnson
2020 = Malachi Flynn

If the Suns are able to draft a role player for around $10 million over four years, that’s huge.
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Post#404 » by kennydorglas » Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:21 pm

Bigs with plus rebounding&defense:
Jalen Johnson (Duke) 8.5 BPM 19 years old
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl (Villanova) 6.4 BPM 20 years old
Jay Huff (Virginia) 10.7 BPM 22 years old
Charles Bassey (Western Kentucky) 6.6 BPM 20 years old
Neemias Queta (Utah St.) 8.4 BPM 21 years old

Guards with plus 3pt&passing:
Miles McBride (West Virginia) 9.1 BPM 20 years old
Marcus Zegarowski (Creighton) 6.0 BPM 22 years old
McKinley Wright (Colorado) 6.8 BPM 22 years old
David Duke (Providence) 3.3 BPM 21 years old
Austin Reaves (Oklahoma) 5.9 BPM 22 years old

Swingman with plus 3pt&defense:
Bones Hyland (VCU) 7.1 BPM 20 years old
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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#405 » by darealjuice » Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:51 pm

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Saberestar wrote:Who are Gambo's big-4?


Jared Butler, Ayo Dosunmu, Quentin Grimes, and Joel Ayayi were the names that they discussed yesterday. Also mentioned Josh Christopher.

Quentin Grimes draft stock surprises me. He was awful at Kansas after being very hyped as a freshman, but it looks like he improved some since. Not particularly interested personally.


Grimes was good at Houston but very uneven. I'm not sure he was their top player in reality despite the numbers. Their conference POY transferred to Florida State mid season and I think their younger guards play smarter than him. And sometimes harder.

Butler and Ayayi are the smarter players here and who I would go for. I could understand Donsunmu based on resume but his decisionmaking was questionable at times last year. McBride's measurables were way better than expected at the combine and I think for me I'd consider that route but I'm hoping one of the better options slides that isn't in this group. Butler would probably be the guy for me of these.


My order of that list would probably be Butler, Dosunmu, Ayayi, and Grimes. I'm not very high on Ayayi or Grimes personally. I'm probably higher on Ayo than most are, I'd love to see him with some seasoning learning under CP3.
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Post#406 » by RunDogGun » Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:39 pm

I hope we aren't drafting to replace Craig. I would hope we are addressing a need with a draft pick, not a possible need which we already have a replacement for.

I hope we draft Queta. Have Stix and Queta battle it out and motivate each other to get the most out of the two. Different skills, but you can't teach height. I also want to buy one of OKC's 2nd rounders, and draft a guard like McBride, or someone that can create their own shot. Then retain all the rotational FA players, and hopefully snag a vet or two searching for a chance to get to or get back to the finals.
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Post#407 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:39 pm

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Interesting chart. 2nd pick.. woof

16-20 has been a bad zone for some reason.

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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#408 » by Barkley6 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:40 pm

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Barkley6 wrote:We desperately need a bigger guard. One of the issues withe Moore, Carter and Galloway is none of them had the size to compete against bigger players on defense, and none of them were potent enough offensively to compensate for that. Give me someone with size, or at the very least a plus wingspan.

Daishen Nix is interesting for this reason. Has some playmaking skills, strong and can defend. Really bad shooter though so that’s something coaching staff would have to feel comfortable about helping him improve.

Jaden Springer another one to keep an eye on but he doesn’t have the ball handling ability you’d want to see from a guard.


I keep coming back to Miles McBride. He's only 6'2'' but has a 6'9'' wingspan. He's a good shooter, solid distributor and plus defender. He also has a reputation as a hard worker, which I know will fit in well with our culture.
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Post#409 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:58 pm

Calvin Klein wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Evan Sidery (@esidery) Tweeted:
Looking over the last five years, the No. 29 pick has a high hit rate:

2016 = Dejounte Murray
2017 = Derrick White
2018 = Dzanan Musa
2019 = Keldon Johnson
2020 = Malachi Flynn

If the Suns are able to draft a role player for around $10 million over four years, that’s huge.
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The Spurs have always been great at both drafting and player development. My hope when considering our immenent cap constraints, As well as Sarvers' fiscal impotency in comparison to the majority of other owners, Is that we'll follow that model and prioritize similarly to keep our cap flexibility and influx of talent coming in through our cores' tenure. :D
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Post#410 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:22 pm

darealjuice wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
darealjuice wrote:
Jared Butler, Ayo Dosunmu, Quentin Grimes, and Joel Ayayi were the names that they discussed yesterday. Also mentioned Josh Christopher.

Quentin Grimes draft stock surprises me. He was awful at Kansas after being very hyped as a freshman, but it looks like he improved some since. Not particularly interested personally.


Grimes was good at Houston but very uneven. I'm not sure he was their top player in reality despite the numbers. Their conference POY transferred to Florida State mid season and I think their younger guards play smarter than him. And sometimes harder.

Butler and Ayayi are the smarter players here and who I would go for. I could understand Donsunmu based on resume but his decisionmaking was questionable at times last year. McBride's measurables were way better than expected at the combine and I think for me I'd consider that route but I'm hoping one of the better options slides that isn't in this group. Butler would probably be the guy for me of these.


My order of that list would probably be Butler, Dosunmu, Ayayi, and Grimes. I'm not very high on Ayayi or Grimes personally. I'm probably higher on Ayo than most are, I'd love to see him with some seasoning learning under CP3.


Very solid list, I completely agree on the sequential order as well. One outlier name that I'd absolutely add to that list though is Jason Preston.
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I know that his BPM is only 7.2, But his court vision/ passing is elite. And he's shooting around 39% from three. Would it be a total stretch to project him as a possibly better shooting Rubio?? :dontknow:
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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#411 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:32 pm

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I keep coming back to Miles McBride. He's only 6'2'' but has a 6'9'' wingspan. He's a good shooter, solid distributor and plus defender. He also has a reputation as a hard worker, which I know will fit in well with our culture.

McBride would be nice but he’s projected to go higher than #29.

Same with Ayo. I like both guys but think the Suns would have to trade up for either one.


I've seen him mocked all over the place but mostly in the 22-32 range. There's a chance he's there for us.


I would love McBride, But there are recent reports of Tom Thibodeau being really high on McBride for New York post predraft workout. And IF they can't find a way to trade up for Duarte, Then they intend to use either their 19th or 21st pick on him for certain. Still he would be a great fit for Paul's understudy! I see him as a mix of Lowry/ Conley, Which is pretty damn good. :D
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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#412 » by Barkley6 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:49 pm

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Revived wrote:McBride would be nice but he’s projected to go higher than #29.

Same with Ayo. I like both guys but think the Suns would have to trade up for either one.


I've seen him mocked all over the place but mostly in the 22-32 range. There's a chance he's there for us.


I would love McBride, But there are recent reports of Tom Thibodeau being really high on McBride for New York post predraft workout. And IF they can't find a way to trade up for Duarte, Then they intend to use either their 19th or 21st pick on him for certain. Still he would be a great fit for Paul's understudy! I see him as a mix of Lowry/ Conley, Which is pretty damn good. :D


I never believe anything you read in the media about teams being high or whatever on a particular player. Too many smokescreens and too much gamesmanship. You also never know who might fall and be a higher rated prospect they didn't think they had a chance at.
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Post#413 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:56 pm

RunDogGun wrote:I hope we aren't drafting to replace Craig. I would hope we are addressing a need with a draft pick, not a possible need which we already have a replacement for.

I hope we draft Queta. Have Stix and Queta battle it out and motivate each other to get the most out of the two. Different skills, but you can't teach height. I also want to buy one of OKC's 2nd rounders, and draft a guard like McBride, or someone that can create their own shot. Then retain all the rotational FA players, and hopefully snag a vet or two searching for a chance to get to or get back to the finals.


Great post! :clap:
This really should be our direction, And I honestly wouldn't be at all surprised if they go this route. We definitely need size and shotblocking. And with all of the teams having multiple 2nd round picks, We should be able to procure one quite cheaply. Although I'd prefer to hopefully acquire a mid to late 2nd from a team in a trade for Carter and maybe a small filler salary returning? IF McBride ( according to reports) goes prior to our pick, And we go with a big at 29, Are there any specific guard prospects that catch your eye?

Any thoughts on Jason Preston, Nashon Hyland or Josh Christopher? They say that both Hyland and Christopher are really good at creating their own offense. But Hyland being the better shooter with limitless range, Christopher being more athletic and elite at getting to the rim. And Preston being elite as a passer and really solid from three at 39% ? ?
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Post#414 » by sunsbg » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:11 pm

So draft is tonight ? First time in a while it feels like coming too soon.
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Post#415 » by BobbieL » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:16 pm

sunsbg wrote:So draft is tonight ? First time in a while it feels like coming too soon.


First time in awhile I really don't care about the draft - its a good feeling :)

Wil be fun to see who they get. I wouldn't be surprised if they traded back for a second - just not sure who the partner
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Post#417 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:23 pm

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I've seen him mocked all over the place but mostly in the 22-32 range. There's a chance he's there for us.


I would love McBride, But there are recent reports of Tom Thibodeau being really high on McBride for New York post predraft workout. And IF they can't find a way to trade up for Duarte, Then they intend to use either their 19th or 21st pick on him for certain. Still he would be a great fit for Paul's understudy! I see him as a mix of Lowry/ Conley, Which is pretty damn good. :D


I never believe anything you read in the media about teams being high or whatever on a particular player. Too many smokescreens and too much gamesmanship. You also never know who might fall and be a higher rated prospect they didn't think they had a chance at.


Very true !
IF McBride is still on the board whenst we pick, Then I'd be ecstatic to have us pick him. Although I could also see us going BPA too?
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Post#419 » by kennydorglas » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:02 pm

If Cam thomas is there at 29, do we draft him?
He looks like the most intriguing project in this class.
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Post#420 » by darealjuice » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:15 pm

kennydorglas wrote:If Cam thomas is there at 29, do we draft him?
He looks like the most intriguing project in this class.


He plays about zero defense, but he's definitely an interesting offensive prospect. I don't think he's the James Jones type though.

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