2021-22 regular season thread

[JonFromVA]

I love how what I say is wish casting but what others say is the facts we must live by... you people are fkn hopeless
If Sexton gets traded for anything less than decent return I wont be wasting my time on here hearing about how stupid I was for the next 3 seasons anyway so if that is your wish lol blow the candle

note to Stillwater ... I have never avoided referring to you by your nick when referring only to you.

I can't control what the Cavs do ... just hope it turns in to something worth my time to watch and follow. IMO a top 3 pick should make it worth following the team but YMMV.

I was referencing anyone who feels their opinion is the hard truth and calling out others as irrational without a basis for such theory.
My gut tells me Kuminga is very very high on their want list and if they think they cannot trade down to get him they may very well just take him at 3. But my gut is not always right and this would result in a lot of backlash given Green or Mobley are clearly higher floor prospects but since they have similar ceilings and play positions of lesser need it is very possible Altman makes that decision to trade back to 5 and 8 if it is on the table esp given they are apparently expecting to pay Allen a nice chunk are still locked into Love , have a couple nice spacing 4/5 types in Wade and Kabengele the latter of which has fringe starter potential as a two way player...Having Sexton still on the roster, Okoro possibly being better as a 6th man on ball player and Greens questionable length and desire on defense.
The Green or Mobley thing is the main talking point for most of you but I think you could be sleeping on the other possibilities here is all I am saying

There's a difference between facts and observations .vs. opinions. Personally I lean towards analysis based on everything I take in, even your remarks about lesser known prospects.

So it's a simple fact to agree with you that we're probably missing something ... happens every draft ... the question is who.

The consensus top 4 is just safer, especially for an organization which lacks a superior drafting record.

[Stillwater]

note to Stillwater ... I have never avoided referring to you by your nick when referring only to you.

I can't control what the Cavs do ... just hope it turns in to something worth my time to watch and follow. IMO a top 3 pick should make it worth following the team but YMMV.

I was referencing anyone who feels their opinion is the hard truth and calling out others as irrational without a basis for such theory.
My gut tells me Kuminga is very very high on their want list and if they think they cannot trade down to get him they may very well just take him at 3. But my gut is not always right and this would result in a lot of backlash given Green or Mobley are clearly higher floor prospects but since they have similar ceilings and play positions of lesser need it is very possible Altman makes that decision to trade back to 5 and 8 if it is on the table esp given they are apparently expecting to pay Allen a nice chunk are still locked into Love , have a couple nice spacing 4/5 types in Wade and Kabengele the latter of which has fringe starter potential as a two way player...Having Sexton still on the roster, Okoro possibly being better as a 6th man on ball player and Greens questionable length and desire on defense.
The Green or Mobley thing is the main talking point for most of you but I think you could be sleeping on the other possibilities here is all I am saying

There's a difference between facts and observations .vs. opinions. Personally I lean towards analysis based on everything I take in, even your remarks about lesser known prospects.

So it's a simple fact to agree with you that we're probably missing something ... happens every draft ... the question is who.

The consensus top 4 is just safer, especially for an organization which lacks a superior drafting record.

safe is the last thing they need though right? I mean if the only surefire slam dunk was 3 or 4 prospects it would be one thing but this top 6 esp top 5 is significantly better than most drafts or at least mostly the same tier as each other as far as potential and tough to find archtypes etc. It is much more difficult to find a Kuminga level athlete with some pretty slept on bbiq based on his meh shot selection and bad long range shooting ability imo than it is to find a 6'4 SG with hops and a step back J.
I am not even sure I have Cade as high an IQ prospect as he is ahead of Suggs who is the better athlete and floor general .
A lot of it really comes down to media based scouting analysis based on "most likely to do this year 1" vs actual NBA scouting reports that we don't see until after but are often based on long term development.
IMO it is most difficult to find a 6'7 point and so imo Barnes is easily worth it at 3

[JonFromVA]

I was referencing anyone who feels their opinion is the hard truth and calling out others as irrational without a basis for such theory.
My gut tells me Kuminga is very very high on their want list and if they think they cannot trade down to get him they may very well just take him at 3. But my gut is not always right and this would result in a lot of backlash given Green or Mobley are clearly higher floor prospects but since they have similar ceilings and play positions of lesser need it is very possible Altman makes that decision to trade back to 5 and 8 if it is on the table esp given they are apparently expecting to pay Allen a nice chunk are still locked into Love , have a couple nice spacing 4/5 types in Wade and Kabengele the latter of which has fringe starter potential as a two way player...Having Sexton still on the roster, Okoro possibly being better as a 6th man on ball player and Greens questionable length and desire on defense.
The Green or Mobley thing is the main talking point for most of you but I think you could be sleeping on the other possibilities here is all I am saying

There's a difference between facts and observations .vs. opinions. Personally I lean towards analysis based on everything I take in, even your remarks about lesser known prospects.

So it's a simple fact to agree with you that we're probably missing something ... happens every draft ... the question is who.

The consensus top 4 is just safer, especially for an organization which lacks a superior drafting record.

safe is the last thing they need though right? I mean if the only surefire slam dunk was 3 or 4 prospects it would be one thing but this top 6 esp top 5 is significantly better than most drafts or at least mostly the same tier as each other as far as potential and tough to find archtypes etc. It is much more difficult to find a Kuminga level athlete with some pretty slept on bbiq based on his meh shot selection and bad long range shooting ability imo than it is to find a 6'4 SG with hops and a step back J.
I am not even sure I have Cade as high an IQ prospect as he is ahead of Suggs who is the better athlete and floor general .
A lot of it really comes down to media based scouting analysis based on "most likely to do this year 1" vs actual NBA scouting reports that we don't see until after but are often based on long term development.
IMO it is most difficult to find a 6'7 point and so imo Barnes is easily worth it at 3

Safe is exactly what we want if the top4 are likely franchise caliber and the media does talk to actual scouts.

[Stillwater]

There's a difference between facts and observations .vs. opinions. Personally I lean towards analysis based on everything I take in, even your remarks about lesser known prospects.

So it's a simple fact to agree with you that we're probably missing something ... happens every draft ... the question is who.

The consensus top 4 is just safer, especially for an organization which lacks a superior drafting record.

safe is the last thing they need though right? I mean if the only surefire slam dunk was 3 or 4 prospects it would be one thing but this top 6 esp top 5 is significantly better than most drafts or at least mostly the same tier as each other as far as potential and tough to find archtypes etc. It is much more difficult to find a Kuminga level athlete with some pretty slept on bbiq based on his meh shot selection and bad long range shooting ability imo than it is to find a 6'4 SG with hops and a step back J.
I am not even sure I have Cade as high an IQ prospect as he is ahead of Suggs who is the better athlete and floor general .
A lot of it really comes down to media based scouting analysis based on "most likely to do this year 1" vs actual NBA scouting reports that we don't see until after but are often based on long term development.
IMO it is most difficult to find a 6'7 point and so imo Barnes is easily worth it at 3

Safe is exactly what we want if the top4 are likely franchise caliber and the media does talk to actual scouts.

who have no vested interest in feeding them opinions only planned release reports... the Media often gets it wrong we see it every year. I dont believe most reporters when it comes to the draft and if they are playing the odds it is based on pro day workouts and things visible to everyone not what a scout comes away thinking from a private workout where the supposed leaks are just guessing most of the time unless someone is breaking trusts.

[JonFromVA]

safe is the last thing they need though right? I mean if the only surefire slam dunk was 3 or 4 prospects it would be one thing but this top 6 esp top 5 is significantly better than most drafts or at least mostly the same tier as each other as far as potential and tough to find archtypes etc. It is much more difficult to find a Kuminga level athlete with some pretty slept on bbiq based on his meh shot selection and bad long range shooting ability imo than it is to find a 6'4 SG with hops and a step back J.
I am not even sure I have Cade as high an IQ prospect as he is ahead of Suggs who is the better athlete and floor general .
A lot of it really comes down to media based scouting analysis based on "most likely to do this year 1" vs actual NBA scouting reports that we don't see until after but are often based on long term development.
IMO it is most difficult to find a 6'7 point and so imo Barnes is easily worth it at 3

Safe is exactly what we want if the top4 are likely franchise caliber and the media does talk to actual scouts.

who have no vested interest in feeding them opinions only planned release reports... the Media often gets it wrong we see it every year. I dont believe most reporters when it comes to the draft and if they are playing the odds it is based on pro day workouts and things visible to everyone not what a scout comes away thinking from a private workout where the supposed leaks are just guessing most of the time unless someone is breaking trusts.

The media mock drafts are pretty accurate, especially for the top players.

The Sexton draft went pretty much by the numbers except for MPJ who plummeted due to his injury.

[Stillwater]

Safe is exactly what we want if the top4 are likely franchise caliber and the media does talk to actual scouts.

who have no vested interest in feeding them opinions only planned release reports... the Media often gets it wrong we see it every year. I dont believe most reporters when it comes to the draft and if they are playing the odds it is based on pro day workouts and things visible to everyone not what a scout comes away thinking from a private workout where the supposed leaks are just guessing most of the time unless someone is breaking trusts.

The media mock drafts are pretty accurate, especially for the top players.

The Sexton draft went pretty much by the numbers except for MPJ who plummeted due to his injury.

lol ok I mean anyone can guess the probable top 10 but where they go is not usually accurate after first or 2nd in most drafts...
For example if this is correct than I will be a happy MF but its not the consensus at all

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[Harper4Ferry?]

The good news is if Chad Ford is wrong, he can always go back in and edit his mocks in the future to make himself look smarter.

https://fansided.com/2015/01/25/espns-chad-ford-accused-changing-old-mock-drafts/

[Stillwater]

The good news is if Chad Ford is wrong, he can always go back in and edit his mocks in the future to make himself look smarter.

https://fansided.com/2015/01/25/espns-chad-ford-accused-changing-old-mock-drafts/

lol If you click on the link you will see he is explaining this is what he would do if he was the Cavs not what he thinks based on collected information will actually happen which he has on a mock draft later before the draft...

[jbk1234]

The good news is if Chad Ford is wrong, he can always go back in and edit his mocks in the future to make himself look smarter.

https://fansided.com/2015/01/25/espns-chad-ford-accused-changing-old-mock-drafts/

Lol

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[Stillwater]

The good news is if Chad Ford is wrong, he can always go back in and edit his mocks in the future to make himself look smarter.

https://fansided.com/2015/01/25/espns-chad-ford-accused-changing-old-mock-drafts/

Lol

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Yep a lot of these clowns are just playing the same guessing games anyone plays regarding these prospects as they are valued team by team which nobody except insiders ever knows and the smoke is always thick if the reports are chalk...
Here is a link to a site that has collected a lot of the most commonly followed mocks this time.nothing special but useful.
Notice Fords paid for mock at https://www.nbabigboard.com/has Green going to the Cavs even though in the tweet I posted earlier he mentioned Barnes is who "he would take" not what he expects to happen.
ESPN claimed at the time Fords accounts were hacked but I think if they were he still is discredited as not knowing what is actually going to happen anymore than the next schmuck and he probably did go back and change them smh
https://hoopsdistillery.com/?p=2430

[JonFromVA]

Woj and Mike Schmitz (formerly of DraftExpress) at ESPN are both mocking "chalk" with Cade, Green, and Mobley going in that order.

One of these guys is clued in to what GM's are thinking and the other is 1/2 of the best media-based scouting group.

[Stillwater]

Woj and Mike Schmitz (formerly of DraftExpress) at ESPN are both mocking "chalk" with Cade, Green, and Mobley going in that order.

One of these guys is clued in to what GM's are thinking and the other is 1/2 of the best media-based scouting group.

Of course those guys are pretty clued in on what is most likely to happen lol
Everyone knows who the top tier aka highest floor paired with highest ceiling least risk most reward yadayada in this draft now that the order is set... but before the workouts and combine and draft lottery there was a very different consensus than now and the Green Kuminga Mobley Suggs Cade club did not participate in the combine to avoid hurting their stock whereas Barnes crushed it.
The top 6 has 5 prospects that have moved around a little based on team fit not prospect evaluations...Hell I would not be surprised if the Cavs shopping Sexton rumors were initially all based on the potential to draft Green. It
does not mean it will go that way even though ideally Green for example should go 3rd even if it is to ORL and the mock would be right that has him there.

[jbk1234]

Woj and Mike Schmitz (formerly of DraftExpress) at ESPN are both mocking "chalk" with Cade, Green, and Mobley going in that order.

One of these guys is clued in to what GM's are thinking and the other is 1/2 of the best media-based scouting group.

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[Stillwater]

Woj and Mike Schmitz (formerly of DraftExpress) at ESPN are both mocking "chalk" with Cade, Green, and Mobley going in that order.

One of these guys is clued in to what GM's are thinking and the other is 1/2 of the best media-based scouting group.

Read on Twitter

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Anybody but Green unless he can defend sf's and I am good
SO I wonder what the Cavs can get for Nance or Prince since they cannot trade Love...

[jbk1234]

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[JonFromVA]

Woj and Mike Schmitz (formerly of DraftExpress) at ESPN are both mocking "chalk" with Cade, Green, and Mobley going in that order.

One of these guys is clued in to what GM's are thinking and the other is 1/2 of the best media-based scouting group.

Of course those guys are pretty clued in on what is most likely to happen lol
Everyone knows who the top tier aka highest floor paired with highest ceiling least risk most reward yadayada in this draft now that the order is set... but before the workouts and combine and draft lottery there was a very different consensus than now and the Green Kuminga Mobley Suggs Cade club did not participate in the combine to avoid hurting their stock whereas Barnes crushed it.
The top 6 has 5 prospects that have moved around a little based on team fit not prospect evaluations...Hell I would not be surprised if the Cavs shopping Sexton rumors were initially all based on the potential to draft Green. It
does not mean it will go that way even though ideally Green for example should go 3rd even if it is to ORL and the mock would be right that has him there.

A mock draft is based on expectations of what teams will do, gotta pay for ESPN insider if you want their talent based order ... or there are various free sites.

[Wisedude]

It's finally DRAFT Day and soon we will see what Altman does as we are all spectators.

Is anyone going to Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse tonight for the Cavs Draft Party.

[Harper4Ferry?]

I thought about going but too much stuff to do around the house.

[Stillwater]

with the new Variant surges although luckily not so bad in Ohio on paper yet , I still dont have any interest in mass gathering events when people dont have to mask up to attend. Too many ignorant hard headed people out there .Fk they are saying you can spread the virus of the new variant even if you are fully fkn vaccinated now this **** is changing our world and yet it remains a joke to half the country. I am not going to contribute to the problem , rather watch the **** on tv anyway

[JonFromVA]

with the new Variant surges although luckily not so bad in Ohio on paper yet , I still dont have any interest in mass gathering events when people dont have to mask up to attend. Too many ignorant hard headed people out there .Fk they are saying you can spread the virus of the new variant even if you are fully fkn vaccinated now this **** is changing our world and yet it remains a joke to half the country. I am not going to contribute to the problem , rather watch the **** on tv anyway

In Israel, they're finding the Pfizer vaccine is only 39% effective at preventing transmission of the Delta variant.

I'm still disgusted that we couldn't just shutdown for a couple of weeks and end this pandemic before it had a chance to start. Miracle of miracles we developed multiple vaccines, offer it for free, and people need to be bribed in to getting it.