2021 Draft Thread - Part II

[Ruzious]

Really hope Davion Mitchell drops to us.

Sounds like he'll go top 10, but this is a tough draft to predict.

[Ruzious]

I guess the question is, how far up do they have to move to trade the picks?

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I think Ingles is a much better player than Kuzma and can't see Utah doing that just to move from 30 to 22. Guessing Lebron would love that trade to happen.

Funny you should mention Joe Ingles. Jock Landale thanks that Joe Ingles is a prick. It’s on YouTube. Landale is a better player than Ingles is what JL expressed. One guy on the outside looking in thinks he also should be in the NBA.

Just heard that …

Landale is my new Morris Almond. If you see him on the Wizard roster do thank me, later! (6-0 record and his two ten day deals is all I recall lol)

If he makes the Wiz, I promise to send you a Jock Londale jersey. He does have nice stats.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

At 9:00 NBA TV is having their mock draft!

[DCZards]

At 9:00 NBA TV is having their mock draft!

It’s a repeat from last night but it’s worth checking out.

[WallStar]

Really hope Davion Mitchell drops to us.

Sounds like he'll go top 10, but this is a tough draft to predict.

Indeed, but some "experts" also have him falling into the 12 range.

[wall_glizzy]

Really hope Davion Mitchell drops to us.

Sounds like he'll go top 10, but this is a tough draft to predict.

I'd be shocked, personally. IMO the top 10 is a near-lock to be composed of this group, albeit in god knows what order: Cunningham / Green / Mobley / Suggs / Barnes / Bouknight / Kuminga / Wagner / Moody / Giddey. Keon Johnson and Ziaire Williams are my two sleepers to make a surprise jump, or we might see Sengun at the very tail end. On the other hand, I'd be similarly amazed if Mitchell makes it to #15, although I'm not real big on him.

[doclinkin]

This draft. Man. It's maddening. I like a quarter of the players on the list.

Most years a guy like Ayo Dosunmu would be in the top half of the first round. This year he is mocked down to the 2nd round. But I don't see anybody who thinks he won't be an effective and useful NBA player. It's just that he doesn't have the shimmer of a mystery player whose game is less familiar to everybody. Foreign or young or whomever.

But if you look at his advanced metrics, he got better in every category every year. Even while his usage increased. If you hear him talk, this is an instant veteran, he understands the game, has pretty much every shot he will need, sees the court well, can break down film in his head of things he has seen in other players games, at college or when he watches NBA players. Does he have skywalking athleticism? No. Nor insane physical measurements. But if you need a sixth man he can sub in 1-3 and play both ways competently against all but the speedy PG types. Rebounds large for a guard. Makes smart reads and cuts. Passes well. Can score at all three levels.

It's upside and potential vs steady production. I have favorites in both columns.

[Ruzious]

This draft. Man. It's maddening. I like a quarter of the players on the list.

Most years a guy like Ayo Dosunmu would be in the top half of the first round. This year he is mocked down to the 2nd round. But I don't see anybody who thinks he won't be an effective and useful NBA player. It's just that he doesn't have the shimmer of a mystery player whose game is less familiar to everybody. Foreign or young or whomever.

But if you look at his advanced metrics, he got better in every category every year. Even while his usage increased. If you hear him talk, this is an instant veteran, he understands the game, has pretty much every he will need, sees the court well, can break down film in his head of things he has seen in other players games, at college or when he watches NBA players. Does he have skywalking athleticism? No. Nor insane physical measurements. But if you need a sixth man he can sub in 1-3 and play both ways competently against all but the speedy PG types. Rebounds large for a guard. Makes smart reads and cuts. Passes well. Can score at all three levels.

It's upside and potential vs steady production. I have favorites in both columns.

The player Ayo reminds me of is pretty good - Jrue Holiday. He's got the same kind of strong build, excellent length with a 6'10 plus wingspan, penetrates real well in a deliberate manner, and even has the same questionable jump shot.

[closg00]

Washington needs shooters to add to its roster and if Bradley Beal and Russell Westbrook are the foundation this franchise is going to continue forward with, Trey Murphy at No. 15 is worth the price of admission. He has a special ability to reliably make 3-pointers and space the floor and also has positional size to be a plus-defender.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-complete-two-round-projections-for-all-60-picks-starting-with-cade-cunningham-at-no-1/

[NatP4]

I soured on Ayo when March rolled around. In big moments he would make some seriously questionable decisions. His shot selection was totally brutal and he’s not a good defender. There’s some effort issues in there as well. I think Ayayi will be a lot better in the NBA.

[80sballboy]

Almost every Mock has us taking Trey Murphy. CBS, NBADraft.net, B/R, and ESPN+. SI.com has us taking Duarte, which sort of goes against what Shep said today. The Ringer and KOC has us taking Garuba.
I'm guessing we pick up somebody we didn't work out.

https://www.si.com/nba/2021/07/28/nba-mock-draft-2021-latest-buzz-rumors-cade-cunningham-jalen-green-evan-mobley

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This draft. Man. It's maddening. I like a quarter of the players on the list.

Most years a guy like Ayo Dosunmu would be in the top half of the first round. This year he is mocked down to the 2nd round. But I don't see anybody who thinks he won't be an effective and useful NBA player. It's just that he doesn't have the shimmer of a mystery player whose game is less familiar to everybody. Foreign or young or whomever.

But if you look at his advanced metrics, he got better in every category every year. Even while his usage increased. If you hear him talk, this is an instant veteran, he understands the game, has pretty much every shot he will need, sees the court well, can break down film in his head of things he has seen in other players games, at college or when he watches NBA players. Does he have skywalking athleticism? No. Nor insane physical measurements. But if you need a sixth man he can sub in 1-3 and play both ways competently against all but the speedy PG types. Rebounds large for a guard. Makes smart reads and cuts. Passes well. Can score at all three levels.

It's upside and potential vs steady production. I have favorites in both columns.

Ayo Dosunmu could become as successful as Kris Middleton has become, (despite the latter being selected 47 IIRC).

I would prefer the 35th pick and Dosunmu over the hit or miss pick at 15. I KNOW Dosunmu will be serviceable.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This draft. Man. It's maddening. I like a quarter of the players on the list.

Most years a guy like Ayo Dosunmu would be in the top half of the first round. This year he is mocked down to the 2nd round. But I don't see anybody who thinks he won't be an effective and useful NBA player. It's just that he doesn't have the shimmer of a mystery player whose game is less familiar to everybody. Foreign or young or whomever.

But if you look at his advanced metrics, he got better in every category every year. Even while his usage increased. If you hear him talk, this is an instant veteran, he understands the game, has pretty much every he will need, sees the court well, can break down film in his head of things he has seen in other players games, at college or when he watches NBA players. Does he have skywalking athleticism? No. Nor insane physical measurements. But if you need a sixth man he can sub in 1-3 and play both ways competently against all but the speedy PG types. Rebounds large for a guard. Makes smart reads and cuts. Passes well. Can score at all three levels.

It's upside and potential vs steady production. I have favorites in both columns.

The player Ayo reminds me of is pretty good - Jrue Holiday. He's got the same kind of strong build, excellent length with a 6'10 plus wingspan, penetrates real well in a deliberate manner, and even has the same questionable jump shot.

Right now I’m not sure which but the two players AyoD brings to mind are Delon Wright and Spencer Dinwiddie.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Potential round two sleeper: Ron Harper, Jr.

I bet he already has some kind of guarantee to be selected in round two.

I am a. Maryland homer But even I think this guy is probably going to be a better NBA player than … Aaron Wiggins.

Either guy might have a 2 to 5 or even 10 year NBA career.

[DCZards]

Potential round two sleeper: Ron Harper, Jr.

I bet he already has some kind of guarantee to be selected in round two.

I am a. Maryland homer But even I think this guy is probably going to be a better NBA player than … Aaron Wiggins.

Either guy might have a 2 to 5 or even 10 year NBA career.

Ron Harper Jr. is not in this draft. He decided to go back to Rutgers for another year.

[payitforward]

I agree with the string of comments above. I can't remember another draft like this. Which is why it would be a travesty to come out of it with only one guy.

Just hope hope hope we trade with the Knicks for any two of 19, 21 & 32. Then buy one of Toronto's 2 picks in the 40s. & one of the Nets' 2.

For that matter, if nbadraftroom is anywhere near right, there are at least 10 guys who go undrafted but look like potential nba players: Livers, Reaves, Nix, Hurt, Aldama, the Champagnie brothers, Schakel, Hauser, Bugarin....

[Ruzious]

I agree with the string of comments above. I can't remember another draft like this. Which is why it would be a travesty to come out of it with only one guy.

Just hope hope hope we trade with the Knicks for any two of 19, 21 & 32. Then buy one of Toronto's 2 picks in the 40s. & one of the Nets' 2.

For that matter, if nbadraftroom is anywhere near right, there are at least 10 guys who go undrafted but look like potential nba players: Livers, Reaves, Nix, Hurt, Aldama, the Champagnie brothers, Schakel, Hauser, Bugarin....

Sounds like a plan!

[payitforward]

I.e. my usual plan... get 5 rookies!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Potential round two sleeper: Ron Harper, Jr.

I bet he already has some kind of guarantee to be selected in round two.

I am a. Maryland homer But even I think this guy is probably going to be a better NBA player than … Aaron Wiggins.

Either guy might have a 2 to 5 or even 10 year NBA career.

Ron Harper Jr. is not in this draft. He decided to go back to Rutgers for another year.

Thanks DCZ. I actually knew that and forgot it as confused as my mind has been these days. I appreciate you brother

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I.e. my usual plan... get 5 rookies!

Yours is a very sound plan.

My idea is to go ahead and trade for somebody like Kevin Love and pay three guys all the money and bring everybody else in on minimum salary.

Four rookies can just as well as some of these veterans who are basically stealing money on these big ass contracts. I will leave in paying market value but you do not necessarily have to pay people like Davis B what they pay them.

In this draft I would pick up as many as four players or even five with an undrafted free agent added in that mix

Trade for Love, sending three players for one in return
Re-sign Robin Lopez
Anybody else that makes the team gets the minimum
Invite guys like Jack Landale and Omari Spellman at any undrafted free agent you choose plus whoever you draft.