2021 Draft Thread - Part II

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Mentor whoever you draft.

For example, IFF (If and only if) Wizards draft day Ron Sharpe, Consider adding boogie cousins at a minimal deal.

If Corey Kispert is the draft pick then hold onto Davis Bertans.

Davion Mitchell or Jared Butler or Jaden Springer canall learn from Brad and Russ.

Duarte might be fine because his game is an upgrade .

[Ruzious]

I.e. my usual plan... get 5 rookies!

Ok, so I'll go with the 15 for 21 and 32, because it seems reasonable and doable to me. Wow, so many good options. Go backwards and do 32 before 21, because I know I want Weiskamp at 32. Apparently, he slides because of defense, but should he? I don't think so since he has tools to be an above-average defender - and how many rookies come into the NBA as good defenders anyway? And I think he can switch positions among the 2, 3, and 4 depending on matchups. Otoh, Butler might slide here too, and he'd be maybe impossible to pass up. But speaking of defense, at 21... I'm leaning toward Doc's guy - Queta. I know he's mocked lower, but the upside feels too big to pass up. Otoh, Cooper may (or may not) slide there too, and his long-range potential may be very high - he's easily the quickest guard in this draft but shoots like Rod Strickland (T Lue? Chris Whitney? Larry Wright?).

2nd round buys: One off the PF menu: JT Thor, Isaiah Todd, or Moses Wright, and one off the SF menu: Sam Hauser, Kessler Edwards, or Isaiah Livers.

And one off the UFA menu: Anyone of the above that doesn't get drafted, or Scottie Lewis, Jay Huff, or Charles Bassey - though I think GM's would be crazy to not draft any of them. Sure, if all of them are unavailable, we can sign Justin Champagnie (Julian's going back to school).

[dckingsfan]

Rats... I will say that every time we don't get to purchase a 2nd round pick.

Pelicans trade No. 53 pick to Philadelphia

[gambitx777]

The last pick sold in a Draft was 58 in 2019 that pick was miaya oni and one pick later was dewan Hernandez who we now have on our summer squad.

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[The Consiglieri]

I think the difference in situations is. You're talking about like trading a pick verses trading up for a pick. Like would I trade a top 5 hell naw,

But trading up into it is different and I think it's not worth the risk

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It depends on the class. Generally speaking class grades strike me as having less volatility than individual prospect grades. In my experience of watching these things over the past 30+ years classes they generally were underwhelmed by usually were underwhelming and classes they really liked usually were the better deeper classes.That, to me anyway, reduces the risk in trading up especially if you generally have an idea of the class you might be trading out of (if picks are the ammo or part of the ammo in moving up) to move up in the current draft.

[The Consiglieri]

Kispert goes 11 to the Hornets.
Garuba 18 to OKC.

Awful. Passing on Garuba to take Tre Murphy would be the most unimaginative, short sighted move I could think of.
Also... Springer going 30, Petrusev 42, and Queta 60!!!

I agree. There are several players similar to Murphy that will go later. Garuba is a harder to find type of player that can give you a competitive advantage. Not that Murphy isn't good and a needed type of player - it's just that you can get players lower in the draft that do what he does. Garuba adds some physical toughness that Murphy doesn't.

Me as well. This team has to roll the dice on high ceiling guys and only target Murphy types if all perceived upside guys are gone just as some of us were saying the same re: MPJR a few years ago. Transformation is only happening w/a grand slam pick that hits or trade(s).

I can sign off on a Murphy due to trade piece value if all upside guys are gone but otherwise hell no. It ain’t happening but I’d also fully support trading the pick for a ‘23 1st and more goodies as well since I expect us to hit rock bottom for the ‘23 draft after Beal leaves and would prefer that to just taking a high floor guy now.

[likwitdesi]

I.e. my usual plan... get 5 rookies!

Yours is a very sound plan.

My idea is to go ahead and trade for somebody like Kevin Love and pay three guys all the money and bring everybody else in on minimum salary.

Four rookies can just as well as some of these veterans who are basically stealing money on these big ass contracts. I will leave in paying market value but you do not necessarily have to pay people like Davis B what they pay them.

In this draft I would pick up as many as four players or even five with an undrafted free agent added in that mix

Trade for Love, sending three players for one in return
Re-sign Robin Lopez
Anybody else that makes the team gets the minimum
Invite guys like Jack Landale and Omari Spellman at any undrafted free agent you choose plus whoever you draft.

I wouldn't hate trading Bryant, Bertans and Hutchison for Love if that is an option. You can let Rui be a 3 and insert Gafford in the starting lineup. Deni could be your 6th man point forward off the bench and #15 could be another wing rotation piece

[Ruzious]

At this point, I'm only taking Love if taking him allows us to get Sexton. Love and Sex all the way. Wait what?

[dckingsfan]

At this point, I'm only taking Love if taking him allows us to get Sexton. Love and Sex all the way. Wait what?

Yeah, no to Love without Sex!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I.e. my usual plan... get 5 rookies!

Yours is a very sound plan.

My idea is to go ahead and trade for somebody like Kevin Love and pay three guys all the money and bring everybody else in on minimum salary.

Four rookies can just as well as some of these veterans who are basically stealing money on these big ass contracts. I will leave in paying market value but you do not necessarily have to pay people like Davis B what they pay them.

In this draft I would pick up as many as four players or even five with an undrafted free agent added in that mix

Trade for Love, sending three players for one in return
Re-sign Robin Lopez
Anybody else that makes the team gets the minimum
Invite guys like Jack Landale and Omari Spellman at any undrafted free agent you choose plus whoever you draft.

I wouldn't hate trading Bryant, Bertans and Hutchison for Love if that is an option. You can let Rui be a 3 and insert Gafford in the starting lineup. Deni could be your 6th man point forward off the bench and #15 could be another wing rotation piece

I actually like all three of these players and I believe in treating people to give them an opportunity to excel. I really think Thomas Bryant should not lose his job to Daniel Gafford just because he was injured but there is no way on earth TB is going to start out of that kid in my book.

I would send Bryant to Cleveland or Atlanta. In Atlanta they might lose John Collins.

[mhd]

Yours is a very sound plan.

My idea is to go ahead and trade for somebody like Kevin Love and pay three guys all the money and bring everybody else in on minimum salary.

Four rookies can just as well as some of these veterans who are basically stealing money on these big ass contracts. I will leave in paying market value but you do not necessarily have to pay people like Davis B what they pay them.

In this draft I would pick up as many as four players or even five with an undrafted free agent added in that mix

Trade for Love, sending three players for one in return
Re-sign Robin Lopez
Anybody else that makes the team gets the minimum
Invite guys like Jack Landale and Omari Spellman at any undrafted free agent you choose plus whoever you draft.

I wouldn't hate trading Bryant, Bertans and Hutchison for Love if that is an option. You can let Rui be a 3 and insert Gafford in the starting lineup. Deni could be your 6th man point forward off the bench and #15 could be another wing rotation piece

I actually like all three of these players and I believe in treating people to give them an opportunity to excel. I really think Thomas Bryant should not lose his job to Daniel Gafford just because he was injured but there is no way on earth TB is going to start out of that kid in my book.

I would send Bryant to Cleveland or Atlanta. In Atlanta they might lose John Collins.

Gafford plays defense (and has incredible chemistry with Russ). Bryant is one of the worst defenders in the NBA. Gafford better start.

[Gig18]

Gafford can't play more than 15 minutes at a stretch. Keep Bryant, who can run and shoot the 3.

[payitforward]

I.e. my usual plan... get 5 rookies!

Ok, so I'll go with the 15 for 21 and 32, because it seems reasonable and doable to me. Wow, so many good options. Go backwards and do 32 before 21, because I know I want Weiskamp at 32. Apparently, he slides because of defense, but should he? I don't think so since he has tools to be an above-average defender - and how many rookies come into the NBA as good defenders anyway? And I think he can switch positions among the 2, 3, and 4 depending on matchups. Otoh, Butler might slide here too, and he'd be maybe impossible to pass up. But speaking of defense, at 21... I'm leaning toward Doc's guy - Queta. I know he's mocked lower, but the upside feels too big to pass up. Otoh, Cooper may (or may not) slide there too, and his long-range potential may be very high - he's easily the quickest guard in this draft but shoots like Rod Strickland (T Lue? Chris Whitney? Larry Wright?).

2nd round buys: One off the PF menu: JT Thor, Isaiah Todd, or Moses Wright, and one off the SF menu: Sam Hauser, Kessler Edwards, or Isaiah Livers.

And one off the UFA menu: Anyone of the above that doesn't get drafted, or Scottie Lewis, Jay Huff, or Charles Bassey - though I think GM's would be crazy to not draft any of them. Sure, if all of them are unavailable, we can sign Justin Champagnie (Julian's going back to school).

I'm a big Queta fan, Ruz -- but it's so unlikely that he's gone at 32 that even if I was really focused on him, I'd take a chance & wait for that pick. Too many high-value prospects will be on the board at 19 (or 21 -- depending on which version of this speculative trade takes place, if any does) & at 32 to take Queta in the first.

[queridiculo]

You'd have to be Ernie Grunfeld to trade Gafford over Bryant.

Just from cap allocation perspective this is a complete no-brainer and once you start looking at how effective Gafford can be on the defensive end in limited time on the floor the proposition of keeping Bryant over Gafford is completely laughable.

[payitforward]

I.e. my usual plan... get 5 rookies!

Yours is a very sound plan.

My idea is to go ahead and trade for somebody like Kevin Love and pay three guys all the money and bring everybody else in on minimum salary.

Four rookies can just as well as some of these veterans who are basically stealing money on these big ass contracts. I will leave in paying market value but you do not necessarily have to pay people like Davis B what they pay them.

In this draft I would pick up as many as four players or even five with an undrafted free agent added in that mix

Trade for Love, sending three players for one in return
Re-sign Robin Lopez
Anybody else that makes the team gets the minimum
Invite guys like Jack Landale and Omari Spellman at any undrafted free agent you choose plus whoever you draft.

I wouldn't hate trading Bryant, Bertans and Hutchison for Love if that is an option. You can let Rui be a 3 and insert Gafford in the starting lineup. Deni could be your 6th man point forward off the bench and #15 could be another wing rotation piece

Love is a hundred years old. He hasn't been a plus player for a few years. Not to mention that we wouldn't be able to absorb his $31m salary.

Cleveland would love that deal, of course. So at least someone would be happy.

[payitforward]

You'd have to be Ernie Grunfeld to trade Gafford over Bryant.

Just from cap allocation perspective this is a complete no-brainer and once you start looking at how effective Gafford can be on the defensive end in limited time on the floor the proposition of keeping Bryant over Gafford is completely laughable.

I think you may have misread him -- I didn't see a suggestion to trade Gafford. Only not to trade Bryant. I don't anyone in his right mind would suggest we trade Daniel Gafford!

[FAH1223]

I wish we could fuse Bryant and Gafford into one person.

[Gig18]

queridiculo wrote:
You'd have to be Ernie Grunfeld to trade Gafford over Bryant.

Just from cap allocation perspective this is a complete no-brainer and once you start looking at how effective Gafford can be on the defensive end in limited time on the floor the proposition of keeping Bryant over Gafford is completely laughable.

I think you may have misread him -- I didn't see a suggestion to trade Gafford. Only not to trade Bryant. I don't anyone in his right mind would suggest we trade Daniel Gafford!

Correct. I meant keep them both

[Ruzious]

I.e. my usual plan... get 5 rookies!

Ok, so I'll go with the 15 for 21 and 32, because it seems reasonable and doable to me. Wow, so many good options. Go backwards and do 32 before 21, because I know I want Weiskamp at 32. Apparently, he slides because of defense, but should he? I don't think so since he has tools to be an above-average defender - and how many rookies come into the NBA as good defenders anyway? And I think he can switch positions among the 2, 3, and 4 depending on matchups. Otoh, Butler might slide here too, and he'd be maybe impossible to pass up. But speaking of defense, at 21... I'm leaning toward Doc's guy - Queta. I know he's mocked lower, but the upside feels too big to pass up. Otoh, Cooper may (or may not) slide there too, and his long-range potential may be very high - he's easily the quickest guard in this draft but shoots like Rod Strickland (T Lue? Chris Whitney? Larry Wright?).

2nd round buys: One off the PF menu: JT Thor, Isaiah Todd, or Moses Wright, and one off the SF menu: Sam Hauser, Kessler Edwards, or Isaiah Livers.

And one off the UFA menu: Anyone of the above that doesn't get drafted, or Scottie Lewis, Jay Huff, or Charles Bassey - though I think GM's would be crazy to not draft any of them. Sure, if all of them are unavailable, we can sign Justin Champagnie (Julian's going back to school).

I'm a big Queta fan, Ruz -- but it's so unlikely that he's gone at 32 that even if I was really focused on him, I'd take a chance & wait for that pick. Too many high-value prospects will be on the board at 19 (or 21 -- depending on which version of this speculative trade takes place, if any does) & at 32 to take Queta in the first.

The mocks agree with you on Queta, but we'll see. I think there's going to be a lot of surprises in this draft - as far as where players go. But then again, if I'm not surprised by the surprise, is it really a surprise? Ok, I'll stop saying surprise. So, if we know Queta falls to say... 33, then trade 21 down to 33 and get a future 1st - from a cocky team that thinks they'll always be great (Lakers?)?

[payitforward]

I'm really curious who is on Philly's list for the #53 pick they bought from the Pels.

I do not understand why it wasn't the Wizards who bought that pick. Or why we haven't heard an announcement that we bought some other R2 pick.

I am extremely worried about this draft, because -- to me at least -- it offers some kind of insight into how Tommy sees our future. Better say into how accurately he sees it. IOW, if we come away with one guy & then Tommy signs an over-priced short-term veteran, we can conclude that nothing has changed: i.e. that our goal is to get into the playoffs & then hope to get hot & get lucky.

Keep your fingers crossed.