[WOJ]: Mason Plumlee + #37 for #57 (Detroit/Charlotte)

vege · Post #41 » by **vege** » Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:48 pm

Snakebites wrote:Yeah, it seems like not signing Mason to begin with is a better way to procure that cap space than this.

Plus now I’m going to start having Dennis Schroeder nightmares.

We were interested in Dinwiddie during the season, and reportedly the deal could be Plumlee for Dinwiddie, so maybe we're going after him with our cap space? If we go after Schroeder that would piss me off.

LofJ · Post #42 » by **LofJ** » Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:49 pm

It's weird that this team has a plan and is patiently executing it. LaMelo, Hayward, PJ Washington, Graham, and Plumlee are all excellent passers. The ball is going to fly around the court next season as long as everyone stays healthy.

Post #43 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:52 pm

vege wrote:
Snakebites wrote:Yeah, it seems like not signing Mason to begin with is a better way to procure that cap space than this.

Plus now I’m going to start having Dennis Schroeder nightmares.

We were interested in Dinwiddie during the season, and reportedly the deal could be Plumlee for Dinwiddie, so maybe we're going after him with our cap space? If we go after Schroeder that would piss me off.

I have no reason to believe we’d want Schroeder.

Just the first name that popped into my head in that price range.

Post #44 » by **gswhoops** » Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:53 pm

ejftw wrote:I'm confused

Gotta dump last year’s FA signings to make room for new FA signings

Post #45 » by **bondom34** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:01 am

OK....yeah I don't get it.

Edit: Like legitimately thought Plumless was solid and thought compensation would be going the other way.

the_process · Post #46 » by **the_process** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:02 am

This is straight awful for Detroit, barring some miraculous FA signing.

Post #47 » by **zimpy27** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:05 am

If Mason was this cheap then teams needed to ask for him

HornetJail · Post #48 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:08 am

Any time Mtich Kupchak rips you off in terms of value, you have some soul searching to do.

I'm legitimately more excited about pick #37 given his track record with the early 2nds

jayjaysee · Post #49 » by **jayjaysee** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:16 am

I don’t love this for either team.

Think Charlotte clearly won on value, but I would have taken my shot on Holmes before this. And would have made sure I couldn’t get Wood for 11 before losing cap space.

For Detroit, I guess we should wait to see what they do with the cap space? Now they’re at 20 million so guess they could be the team to overpay Lauri or someone? Even if they land a quality starter with their 20 mil, I don’t think they should have needed to add value to dump Plumlee. Like some third team would have sent negative salary and a 2nd or two to OKC to get Plumlee right? Or were we mostly wrong about his value. Not sure.

vege · Post #50 » by **vege** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:24 am

bondom34 wrote:OK....yeah I don't get it.

Edit: Like legitimately thought Plumless was solid and thought compensation would be going the other way.

He was very solid. Weaver got robbed in every trade he did so far.

Post #51 » by **Snakebites** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:26 am

vege wrote:
bondom34 wrote:OK....yeah I don't get it.

Edit: Like legitimately thought Plumless was solid and thought compensation would be going the other way.

He was very solid. Weaver got robbed in every trade he did so far.

Still dying on the Bey-Kennard/2nds and Stewart hills, huh?

chrbal · Post #52 » by **chrbal** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:27 am

Texas chuck is somewhere wondering what to do with all their newfound free time

hugepatsfan · Post #53 » by **hugepatsfan** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:44 am

Detroit fans on here owe a lot of us apologies haha

Post #54 » by **Snakebites** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:53 am

hugepatsfan wrote:Detroit fans on here owe a lot of us apologies haha

And why is that?

Mr Peanut · Post #55 » by **Mr Peanut** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:34 am

I don't think this trade can be viewed in a vacuum. Clearly there's someone in FA (or trade) that Weaver is targeting and this will make sense later.

These were the kind of reactions people had to Weaver's moves last off-season and most of those moves are now viewed as wins.

A_dub06 · Post #56 » by **A_dub06** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:46 am

We got absolutely fleeced in this deal. I think Weaver has some growing to do in terms of his free agent evaluations and I hope he realises signing plumlee to do this Joe was a mistake. Either way it’s not significant enough to hurt us and Im excited to see what deal will be cooked up with the space

DetroitDon15 · Post #57 » by **DetroitDon15** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:30 am

Laimbeer wrote:Have to believe something else is in the works. In a vacuum he had a positive impact on the team.

Great deal, love to free up space. I can totally see a quality wing FA signing this offseason.

Post #58 » by **Diop** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:26 am

I love this for Charlotte, masons passing will really help them. They kept giving the ball to biyombo at the top of the key at the start of office hoping he wouldn’t stuff it up. Having plumlee create from up there will be great.

MasterIchiro · Post #59 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:43 am

Bleacher Report says Hornets after acquiring Plumlee (as a placeholder) were set to take Kai Jones before Bouknight fell.

As far as the Kai Jones trade. Let's see how Kai looks one year developed compared to next year's pick 19. He will comp with pick 10 in my opinion. He's a lottery talent.

Plumlee + PJ + Kai (+ Carey Jr. + Richards + Thor) likely indicates the Hornets have finished spending on center.

Hornets can easily bring back Monk and Graham as tradeable assets on market deals. We are out on Holmes and Allen.

We can still get creative in free agency and via trades. We don't have to spend our money on a free agent center. Teams up against the cap should beware and fans thinking of poaching any of our young talent should quit wasting their time.

You're witnessing a top shelf GM.

hugepatsfan · Post #60 » by **hugepatsfan** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:06 pm

Snakebites wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:Detroit fans on here owe a lot of us apologies haha

And why is that?

All offseason people have posted deals of "dumping" Plumlee for small assets (as opposed to giving them up) and cap space but got chewed out by Detroit fans saying that it would be a terrible move they'd never do. And well, well how the turntables have turned here....

(Also it was said in jest, please don't take it as confrontational haha)

Who won the trade?