***Official 2021 Nets Offseason Thread***

[TheNetsFan]

So what's this going to yield?

Kuzma and Trez to us, Spencer to WAS, Westbrook to the Lakers?

I mean, I'll take the depth but neither of those guys address concerns. I'd rather take KCP.

KCP is supposedly very close with Beal. I doubt he'd get re-routed.

As mentioned above, Windrem reports unconfirmed chatter of Dinwiddie for Kuzma+22. That would also net a sizeable Trade Exception. That seems unrealistic for multiple reasons. Value-wise: It sounds like a lot for somebody we're unlikely to retain, unless we're including a lower pick(s). Legally: Teams can't talk salary with pending FAs. I know it happens all the time, but who would draft on somebody else's behalf when the S&T player could always change his mind & go elsewhere for a bigger offer.

Kuzma as the principle piece makes sense both salary-wise & value-wise. Trez is not a good fit, and I don't see us wanting the $22+mil of Trez & Kuzma combined. Now if #22 is part salary dump for taking both, that's a different story.

I take 1 thing back. Trez could be a candidate for a DJ dump, by essentially shaving the last year of DJ's salary off our books.

[NyCeEvO]

I’m not keen on helping the Lakers acquire another star player. I don’t care how flawed of a player many people may deem Westbrook to be. I’m sure Vogel, the Lakers coaching staff, and LBJ would figure out a way to integrate and optimize Westbrook’s production. I can easily see Westbrook, LBJ, and AD wreaking havoc as a defensive unit.

[NyCeEvO]

So what's this going to yield?

Kuzma and Trez to us, Spencer to WAS, Westbrook to the Lakers?

I mean, I'll take the depth but neither of those guys address concerns. I'd rather take KCP.

KCP is supposedly very close with Beal. I doubt he'd get re-routed.

As mentioned above, Windrem reports unconfirmed chatter of Dinwiddie for Kuzma+22. That would also net a sizeable Trade Exception. That seems unrealistic for multiple reasons. Value-wise: It sounds like a lot for somebody we're unlikely to retain, unless we're including a lower pick(s). Legally: Teams can't talk salary with pending FAs. I know it happens all the time, but who would draft on somebody else's behalf when the S&T player could always change his mind & go elsewhere for a bigger offer.

Kuzma as the principle piece makes sense both salary-wise & value-wise. Trez is not a good fit, and I don't see us wanting the $22+mil of Trez & Kuzma combined. Now if #22 is part salary dump for taking both, that's a different story.

I take 1 thing back. Trez could be a candidate for a DJ dump, by essentially shaving the last year of DJ's salary off our books.

My issue is that Trez has thus far shown to be unplayable in the playoffs. We need as many hands on deck ready to contribute as possible during that time of the year. I don’t want him if he’s basically going to be DJ’d come playoff time next year.

[Paradise]

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[MrDollarBills]

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Ok. They've got their big 3, we've got ours. We need to fix our depth and patch up the weak areas.

[NetsWorld]

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Ok. They've got their big 3, we've got ours. We need to fix our depth and patch up the weak areas.

This reminds me of the move the Thunder did with Carmelo and PG13 in 2017. great on paper but realistically speaking, they cannot beat a healthy Nets team. Westbrook is a phenomenal player with a lot of heart and tenacity but IQ and skill wise, Kyrie easily wins that battle. I cannot envision a 38 year old led LeBron team with AD and Westbrook defeating a healthy Net team. AD gives them that big man presence but we will eat them alive from the perimeter and AD cannot stop any of the top three scorers (Ky, KD and Harden) from scoring. I think the Nets will be champions, but health will be the ultimate question.

[HardenGoat]

Desperation move by Lakers. I bet there were a ton of Laker fans laughing when Rockets did the same thing. Westbrook is even older now and the idea is to run him high usage to spare an even older Lebron the legwork. Not worried at all. I don’t like the Montrez fit as he is not a good defender. We need defense and floor spacing. Hope there’s a better S+T that gets us a better player honestly. Iam not high on Kuzma either.

[TheNetsFan]

If the Westbrook deal officially happened in draft night, then no other salary can be aggregated with Kuzma in a potential S&T, capping Dinwiddie's first year salary at $18mil.

[NyCeEvO]

Desperation move by Lakers. I bet there were a ton of Laker fans laughing when Rockets did the same thing. Westbrook is even older now and the idea is to run him high usage to spare an even older Lebron the legwork. Not worried at all.

It depends on which version of Westbrook they get. He struggled at the start of his times in HOU & WAS, but finished both of those seasons very strong.

I don’t think it’s a horrible trade like so many think it is. The fit on paper isn’t great but that impression is based on the playing styles and personnel of the teams Westbrook has played on. He’s never played with someone like LBJ. And stars of their caliber are talented enough to still have elite impact even if they have to adapt to different play styles to be effective.

Hield was definitely the safer trade to make. Low risk with predictable results. Hield would’ve made them better offensively but probably not into an offensive juggernaut.

This trade is much more risky but I do think that the Lakers have the potential to be much more versatile and dynamic, especially on the defensive end. I can see why they made the trade, especially considering that there weren’t many big moves they could make and that the Lakers tend to swing for the fences as opposed to playing it safe.

I don’t like the Montrez fit as he is not a good defender. We need defense and floor spacing. Hope there’s a better S+T that gets us a better player honestly. Iam not high on Kuzma either.

Agreed.

If Marks is honestly looking to keep these rookies, then I hope S&T Brown for cap space and find a way to dump DJ, so we can re-sign Dinwiddie. He can do everything Brown does and so much more.

[DarkXaero]

It is certainly a desperation move by the Lakers. They lost some decent depth and added a "star" that does not fit well next to their stars. Their spacing issues get worse and their defense gets worse. I'm very okay with this, Kyle Lowry to Lakers would have been worse.

[Prokorov]

I don't mind the Shamet deal. Especially this point with moves to come. As long as we sign a second shooter in free agency, or make a small trade for one, im good. but it cant just be harris. we need a second sniper for insurance. its a win now season, cant let depth F you in the rear. Hopefully reddick or ellington or someone like that.

i think the value was good. 1st rounder plus a 2-way player who is relatively young. Should be a suitable bruce brown replacements as a PG-SF to browns SG-PF. Brings some shooting brown doesnt. Cant claim to know a ton about carter, but good numbers/reputation. i wonder if he can find the rotation here after to struggling to do so on the suns, but at least regular season there should be plenty of minutes.

I hate that we used all 5 picks. i really think it would have been smart to trade a 1st + 2nd for future first. having those future picks to use/trade are more helpful then the players imo. especially for a win now team with depeleted future picks.

I thought it was important we either:

-use picks to move up
-use picks to gain future picks
-use picks to dump salary

we did none of those (although we could still deal their rights, so we'll see). I dont think yestarday did anything to help us win the next 2 seasons. not a finished product, but it really was just a cost savings day (removing shamets extended salary).

[Prokorov]

I dont care about westbrook to the lakers. to me, he is just a losing player. especially in the playoffs. you cant win with that much volume in such an inefficient empty stats player. i think he is a terrible fit with lebron. too redundant. people talk about "one ball" with us but really thats a bigger concern for a pair of guys who dominate the ball but arent great shooters in lebron/westbrook.

As far as harrell. i LOVE the dude. id love ot watch him here. but he isnt a good fit, and nash wouldnt play him.

i hope we sign blake. thats imperative. bring in a shooter, and sign someone like pj tucker. id roll witht hat

[gigantes]

The Teflon approach to our public relations has finally worn thin. I believe that there are far deeper power struggles within our organization than the surface shows. D'Antoni probably knew he has zero authority in the war room, and bounced."

Wait... what? Really?
C'est vrai?

Man... dunno if you blokies seen it, but there's a pretty *wild* article circulating these days about why the Nets are so-closed doors.

Which one is this? The one that tells the story about how KD was chilling with Lana Rhoades in Barclays and had another girl there at the same time as a spare date?

Listen. I know things get crazy behind the scenes. It's actually more common than you think, hell Shaq and Dwayne Wade both have said that the Miami Heat back in 06 were partying like animals every night during their championship run. I'm pretty sure James Harden's lifestyle hasn't adjusted too much since coming here. All I care about is guys locking in and winning games, which they did until injuries derailed us.

All I ask is Harden show up to camp in shape and the training staff get these 3 guys to next April relatively healthy. The rest will work itself out

No, fam. (to use the parlance of our times, lol)

Eh... the source I had in mind was talking about the Nets shamelessly empowering star-behavior and star-studded perks, such as having a special payroll for hookers, strip clubs, paying full rent for players' side-action and long-term side-action, and almost anything & everything one might want as a 'VIP.' Probably even paying-off multiple lawsuits, when you get in to the nitty-gritty.

So, not just any particular criminal-element involved, but an obvious way to pay increasingly huge sums well beyond basic contract agreements, directly in violation of... a whole bunch of things.

In other words, classic hidden perks upon huge contracts, taken to the nth degree under the Marks' regime. So, not gonna say it was Jeffry Epstein territory. But it's roughly ~1.5 tiers below, if the sources are factual.

Or another way of looking at it is-- when you stand out THIS much on the NBA's and the NBA watcher's radar... and even when the smoke magically doesn't produce fire, insiders will eventually blab, and that's pretty-much just a basic fact of life, y'all.

ANYWAY, the big two points the leakers were basically making was: 1) this is *exactly* a huge part of why the Nets strive to be completely-closed doors, and 2) it's hard to say how hard the NBA might eviscerate the Nets one day, given that it would sort of be a self-implication (like other posters are saying).

Anyway, it's food for thought.
And no offense matey, but it sounds like you're kind of a benighted child wandering in the happy-woods at this point, Dolla-Holla. :/

[MrDollarBills]

Wait... what? Really?
C'est vrai?

Man... dunno if you blokies seen it, but there's a pretty *wild* article circulating these days about why the Nets are so-closed doors.

Which one is this? The one that tells the story about how KD was chilling with Lana Rhoades in Barclays and had another girl there at the same time as a spare date?

Listen. I know things get crazy behind the scenes. It's actually more common than you think, hell Shaq and Dwayne Wade both have said that the Miami Heat back in 06 were partying like animals every night during their championship run. I'm pretty sure James Harden's lifestyle hasn't adjusted too much since coming here. All I care about is guys locking in and winning games, which they did until injuries derailed us.

All I ask is Harden show up to camp in shape and the training staff get these 3 guys to next April relatively healthy. The rest will work itself out

No, fam. (to use the parlance of our times, lol)

Eh... the source I had in mind was talking about the Nets shamelessly empowering star-behavior and star-studded perks, such as having a special payroll for hookers, strip clubs, paying full rent for players' side-action and long-term side-action, and almost anything & everything one might want as a 'VIP.' In other words, classic hidden perks upon huge contracts, taken to the nth degree under the Marks' regime. So, not gonna say it was Jeffry Epstein territory. But it's roughly ~1.5 tiers below, if the sources are factual.

In other words, not just any particular criminal-element involved, but an obvious way to pay increasingly huge sums well beyond basic contract agreements, directly in violation of... a whole bunch of things.

The big two points the leakers were basically making was: 1) this is *exactly* a huge part of why the Nets strive to be completely-closed doors, and 2) it's hard to say how hard the NBA might eviscerate the Nets one day, given that it would sort of be a self-implication (like other posters are saying).

Anyway, it's food for thought.
And no offense matey, but it sounds like you're kind of a benighted child wandering in the happy-woods at this point, Dolla-Holla. :/

Not sure what you meant by the last part, but have these claims even been verified? I'm sure a lot of wild stuff happens on all teams behind closed doors but I'd think that the Nets paying for hookers and circumventing the salary cap are serious accusations

[gigantes]

Not sure what you meant by the last part, but have these claims even been verified? I'm sure a lot of wild stuff happens on all teams behind closed doors but I'd think that the Nets paying for hookers and circumventing the salary cap are serious accusations

Right, but they've evidently taken it to the nth-degree under Marks, evidently more than any other team and "classic-perks" ever has.

Just like The Beard, Trae, and other players are absolute maestro's at drawing fouls... suddenly here comes a new set of rules, you know? Like, sometimes even the spineless, profiteering NBA can blow us away via a show of 'spine.'

Bill, I wish to f-ck I'm completely mistaken about this stuff.
The Nets are my team, and I feel gut-sick about this crap.

Read up r/NBA if you want more details.

F-ck...

[MrDollarBills]

Not sure what you meant by the last part, but have these claims even been verified? I'm sure a lot of wild stuff happens on all teams behind closed doors but I'd think that the Nets paying for hookers and circumventing the salary cap are serious accusations

Right, but they've evidently taken it to the nth-degree under Marks, evidently more than any other team and "classic-perks" ever has.

Just like The Beard, Trae, and other players are absolute maestro's at drawing fouls... suddenly here comes a new set of rules, you know? Like, sometimes even the spineless, profiteering NBA can blow us away via a show of 'spine.'

Bill, I wish to f-ck I'm completely mistaken about this stuff.
The Nets are my team, and I feel gut-sick about this crap.

Read up r/NBA if you want more details.

F-ck...

I've read the claims.

I mean, honestly accommodating stars is business as usual stuff in the NBA. Marks is a former player. He knows the drill.

However, if the claims about the Nets circumventing the salary cap via sex workers and other things cannot be substantiated, it's a non issue to me. So far this is coming from one source and no other media outlet has corroborated these claims, because if they did you'd best believe ESPN would be losing their minds right now.

[MrDollarBills]

So I see Boston making moves. I like the center we picked up in the draft but otherwise I need to see Marks step it up here. We need a wing defender and a veteran big.

[Shark]

Not sure those moves really move the needle for them though. Dunn's always injured and Richardson is a nice depth piece, but nothing more.

[MrDollarBills]

KD is now the all time leader scoring for the USA in Men's Olympic Basketball. KD is going to come into the new season ready to destroy people

[Paradise]

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