The TRADE Thread 2021

[rpa]

I just don't agree with that assessment of Simmons on a fundamental level. Even in Philly he was playing with a superstar and clear cut number one scoring option in Embiid. Who is that guy in Sacramento?

What about the team having a better record without Fox playing the last two years. Or the role he's been playing in our ridiculous defense (Walton is a terrible milquetoast coach, though)

I support De'aaron as long as he's on this team, and think he has the talent to eventually be one of the better PGs in the league, but he needs to start showing some team impact

I believe we were 7-7 without Fox this year but that's not even relevant to how I feel about Simmons vs Fox. I simply think we are a worse team if you replace Fox with Simmons.

This.

You can't build a successful team around Simmons without an elite scorer--ideally an elite perimeter scorer. This is then exacerbated by the fact that in such a hypothetical situation the Kings would have Hali running point.

[BoogieTime]

Shocked Marvin is still on this team.

[sacking123]

I'm pleased Monte didn't just give some guys away. Why do I still hold out hope for Buddy and Bagley?

I would love to think there is a trade for Beal coming with this pic, but that doesn't make sense either. So many damn PGs. I just get the feeling Fox might be gone with this (better not be for Simmons). The reason I say this is it does seem like Monte wants this to be his team. Mitchell is far from a project so I am going to assume Monte believes he can play right away.
Was hopeful Davis would be back too. Currently have Fox/Hali/Mitchell/Hield/Wright/Davis/Ramsey at the 1/2.

I will say this though, I think Monte made a great pick with the #39. If you're going to take a big guy in the draft, let it be someone like Queta. Could be decent energy big off the bench for 10mpg fairly quickly.

[Silver Man]

I'm pleased Monte didn't just give some guys away. Why do I still hold out hope for Buddy and Bagley?

I would love to think there is a trade for Beal coming with this pic, but that doesn't make sense either. So many damn PGs. I just get the feeling Fox might be gone with this (better not be for Simmons). The reason I say this is it does seem like Monte wants this to be his team. Mitchell is far from a project so I am going to assume Monte believes he can play right away.
Was hopeful Davis would be back too. Currently have Fox/Hali/Mitchell/Hield/Wright/Davis/Ramsey at the 1/2.

I will say this though, I think Monte made a great pick with the #39. If you're going to take a big guy in the draft, let it be someone like Queta. Could be decent energy big off the bench for 10mpg fairly quickly.

Holding out hope for Bagley is fine, personally I'm not with him especially in Sacramento maybe when he gets a fresh start on a new team I will but just can't imagine it right now in Sacramento especially with injury after injury.

As for Buddy exactly what hope are you thinking for? I think he is what he is. A solid shooting that can't defend, pass, nor dribble. Nothing against him, shooting is more important than ever in the NBA but I believe he's reached his ceiling as a player which is a solid rotation player.

[dozencousins]

Kings are making a play for Pascul Sikiam from Tor . A trade posssibly involving Bagley & Buddy . Will see what happens .
Not claiming a deal will happen . I just know discussions are happening right now as we speak !

[wco81]

Well Fox did extend with you guys.

Are you sure Simmons will? He's signed for many years but that contract may be an albatross.

Remember he's repped by Klutch.

[sacking123]

I'm pleased Monte didn't just give some guys away. Why do I still hold out hope for Buddy and Bagley?

I would love to think there is a trade for Beal coming with this pic, but that doesn't make sense either. So many damn PGs. I just get the feeling Fox might be gone with this (better not be for Simmons). The reason I say this is it does seem like Monte wants this to be his team. Mitchell is far from a project so I am going to assume Monte believes he can play right away.
Was hopeful Davis would be back too. Currently have Fox/Hali/Mitchell/Hield/Wright/Davis/Ramsey at the 1/2.

I will say this though, I think Monte made a great pick with the #39. If you're going to take a big guy in the draft, let it be someone like Queta. Could be decent energy big off the bench for 10mpg fairly quickly.

Holding out hope for Bagley is fine, personally I'm not with him especially in Sacramento maybe when he gets a fresh start on a new team I will but just can't imagine it right now in Sacramento especially with injury after injury.

As for Buddy exactly what hope are you thinking for? I think he is what he is. A solid shooting that can't defend, pass, nor dribble. Nothing against him, shooting is more important than ever in the NBA but I believe he's reached his ceiling as a player which is a solid rotation player.

The hope for Marvin specifically is to work his behind off on D. I think his outside shot is coming along slowly. The thing that annoys me the most about Bagley is even when you take away on court work, his counting numbers have been almost identical every season so far.
For Buddy, it's to let his ego go and accept a 6th man role and at least give consistent effort on D. Be our Clarkson and launch as many 3s as he does now.

Won't happen with Luke as coach, but it would have been good.

[BoogieTime]

Well a trade has to happen in the coming period to make room for Holmes

[dozencousins]

Delone Wright Just traded in a 3 way deal with Atl & Boston . We are getting Tristan Thompson

[LightTheBeam]

I'm surprised we have not made a trade today. Hopefully we don't trade our second for a worse pick and Vivek Cash Considerations.

Welp... It would have been better to do nothing. At this point im tired of blindly supporting this team.

I've spent 20 years watching night in and night out. Following along to every move, every draft pick, every free agent signing, but I think this offseason is my breaking point.

This is the big plan? This???

Luke Retained
Draft a PG
Trade away Delon for a bum who nobody wanted..
Don't resign Holmes
Buddy/Bagley still on the team??

This team has no direction. They have no competency. First the Maloofs going bankrupt, and now Vivek with his mindless win win win now garbage. I'm so over it.

I rooted for the Bucks the entire playoffs. Giannis has been my favorite player for some time now. It was such a joyful experience to watch him. The most basketball enjoyment I've had in 15 years. I think I've been broken for the last time.

[OGSactownballer]

People
Need to be a little more patient.

Nothing happens overnight in the management end of pro sports, but it does happen instantly when it goes.

Let’s see what happens here over the weekend before free agency. We are not the only team that needs to make moves right now by a long shot.

[OGSactownballer]

Just listening to the interviews on 1140 right now and apparently Mitchell didn’t even work out for us but they did “extensive scouting” on him.

This screams drafting for someone else to me. And honestly if you think about TOR history of guard type (Lowry, FVV) liking tough guards with a winning record and mentality, I wouldn’t be surprised that he goes in a Siakam trade.

[codydaze]

So we send out Delon Wright and bring in Tristan Thompson as some Holmes insurance. I really like that move, even more if we still free up Holmes money. I've said for a while now on this board we should target TT and I finally get my wish lol. He will help a lot with our rebounding issues.

[blind prophet]

I'm surprised we have not made a trade today. Hopefully we don't trade our second for a worse pick and Vivek Cash Considerations.

Welp... It would have been better to do nothing. At this point im tired of blindly supporting this team.

I've spent 20 years watching night in and night out. Following along to every move, every draft pick, every free agent signing, but I think this offseason is my breaking point.

This is the big plan? This???

Luke Retained
Draft a PG
Trade away Delon for a bum who nobody wanted..
Don't resign Holmes
Buddy/Bagley still on the team??

This team has no direction. They have no competency. First the Maloofs going bankrupt, and now Vivek with his mindless win win win now garbage. I'm so over it.

I rooted for the Bucks the entire playoffs. Giannis has been my favorite player for some time now. It was such a joyful experience to watch him. The most basketball enjoyment I've had in 15 years. I think I've been broken for the last time.

I hear ya man.

For years SacKingZZZ & I would bring up stuff about bad contracts or the direction of the team. Back with Jarl Thompandry, draft mistakes of old. Everything.

You know the interesting thing about you liking G was Petrie scouted him but Vivek supposedly completely ignored it. What could of been? Also the Kings had the pick after Kobe was drafted, Geoff liked him too lol.

But as for some of the other points.

Luke is probably still here because the ownership group is too cheap to pay another coach.

Drafting a PG is ok if they honestly think he is BPA. Remember we passed on Luka for "fit". We don't have the talent right now to get cute. Just draft the BPA, maybe in the second round draft the best person for role.

Yep agree with Wright, we could of gotten something positive for him. So we gave up seconds for Wright, then took on bad salary in exchange. That some dumb sheehhaat I agree. A top 55 protected for Wright would of been a better deal.

Holmes is debatable with his potential salary, I'd of moved him at the deadline for whatever I could of gotten. But Vivek wanted to try and win. So we got Wright, Davis, Mo. Would of been better off moving Bjelica last draft & Holmes at the deadline if we were not going to pay him.

I think we may have to pay to take Bagley off the books.

Buddy probably still gets moved.

[blind prophet]

Just listening to the interviews on 1140 right now and apparently Mitchell didn’t even work out for us but they did “extensive scouting” on him.

This screams drafting for someone else to me. And honestly if you think about TOR history of guard type (Lowry, FVV) liking tough guards with a winning record and mentality, I wouldn’t be surprised that he goes in a Siakam trade.

His coach at Baylor didn't want to say too much, but he did say Sacramento went above and beyond anyone else in the league with their "investigation/questions" about Davion.

[jazanetti]

WTF is going on?? Vlade is back to the office?? Dumars kidnapped and holds Monte's family hostage??

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[sacking123]

Just listening to the interviews on 1140 right now and apparently Mitchell didn’t even work out for us but they did “extensive scouting” on him.

This screams drafting for someone else to me. And honestly if you think about TOR history of guard type (Lowry, FVV) liking tough guards with a winning record and mentality, I wouldn’t be surprised that he goes in a Siakam trade.

His coach at Baylor didn't want to say too much, but he did say Sacramento went above and beyond anyone else in the league with their "investigation/questions" about Davion.

So do you think, given Davions comments regarding a workout, it's possible he refused a workout with the Kings?

I would REALLY like to see Monte's big board in this draft. I find it really strange that Davion was his BPA at #9 when almost every mock had him either #13 or 14. I'm not saying that is any proof he wasn't, just interesting what he thought of Bouknight and Moody in particular.

Ham said the Kings saw 10 top-end prospects (his words not mine) around our pick all the way to 20s, except for Giddey (Oz team duties), Garuba (Int duties), Bouknight, and Wagner.

I think it is a really strange pick, not for his talent, but everything leading to it. Unless a trade is lined up.

[OscarH]

Just listening to the interviews on 1140 right now and apparently Mitchell didn’t even work out for us but they did “extensive scouting” on him.

This screams drafting for someone else to me. And honestly if you think about TOR history of guard type (Lowry, FVV) liking tough guards with a winning record and mentality, I wouldn’t be surprised that he goes in a Siakam trade.

His coach at Baylor didn't want to say too much, but he did say Sacramento went above and beyond anyone else in the league with their "investigation/questions" about Davion.

So do you think, given Davions comments regarding a workout, it's possible he refused a workout with the Kings?

I would REALLY like to see Monte's big board in this draft. I find it really strange that Davion was his BPA at #9 when almost every mock had him either #13 or 14. I'm not saying that is any proof he wasn't, just interesting what he thought of Bouknight and Moody in particular.

Ham said the Kings saw 10 top-end prospects (his words not mine) around our pick all the way to 20s, except for Giddey (Oz team duties), Garuba (Int duties), Bouknight, and Wagner.

I think it is a really strange pick, not for his talent, but everything leading to it. Unless a trade is lined up.

I don't love the pick but were plenty of Mocks early having him going to GSW at 7, and was on some Big boards in top 10, KOC at 8 for example, Vecenie at 10 (had at 7 couple months back.)

[sacking123]

His coach at Baylor didn't want to say too much, but he did say Sacramento went above and beyond anyone else in the league with their "investigation/questions" about Davion.

So do you think, given Davions comments regarding a workout, it's possible he refused a workout with the Kings?

I would REALLY like to see Monte's big board in this draft. I find it really strange that Davion was his BPA at #9 when almost every mock had him either #13 or 14. I'm not saying that is any proof he wasn't, just interesting what he thought of Bouknight and Moody in particular.

Ham said the Kings saw 10 top-end prospects (his words not mine) around our pick all the way to 20s, except for Giddey (Oz team duties), Garuba (Int duties), Bouknight, and Wagner.

I think it is a really strange pick, not for his talent, but everything leading to it. Unless a trade is lined up.

I don't love the pick but were plenty of Mocks early having him going to GSW at 7, and was on some Big boards in top 10, KOC at 8 for example, Vecenie at 10 (had at 7 couple months back.)

I don't mind the pick TBH. I am more talking about what lead up to the selection and comments since then by both Davion and Monte. Davion was higher on mocks earlier in the piece, but he did slide. You're correct with KOC, he did have him #13 in his mock, but #8 on his big board. He had Bouknight @ 6 on his big board though too.

[blind prophet]

Just listening to the interviews on 1140 right now and apparently Mitchell didn’t even work out for us but they did “extensive scouting” on him.

This screams drafting for someone else to me. And honestly if you think about TOR history of guard type (Lowry, FVV) liking tough guards with a winning record and mentality, I wouldn’t be surprised that he goes in a Siakam trade.

His coach at Baylor didn't want to say too much, but he did say Sacramento went above and beyond anyone else in the league with their "investigation/questions" about Davion.

So do you think, given Davions comments regarding a workout, it's possible he refused a workout with the Kings?

I would REALLY like to see Monte's big board in this draft. I find it really strange that Davion was his BPA at #9 when almost every mock had him either #13 or 14. I'm not saying that is any proof he wasn't, just interesting what he thought of Bouknight and Moody in particular.

Ham said the Kings saw 10 top-end prospects (his words not mine) around our pick all the way to 20s, except for Giddey (Oz team duties), Garuba (Int duties), Bouknight, and Wagner.

I think it is a really strange pick, not for his talent, but everything leading to it. Unless a trade is lined up.

I doubt he refused to workout, it seems the Kings saw enough at the combine and previous scouting. The coach was talking on 1140 on Doug's show yesterday.

Monte did say BPA in his presser.

It seems our FO is rather quiet, I'm assuiming things they cannot control like other organizations and agents when they catch wind of things are the leaks.

Now if all of this is true, who in the top 8 were above him on the board I have no idea.

Doubt we'll get a white board with McNair and names on it like we did with Vlade.