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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#701 » by Licensed to Il » Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:53 am

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Licensed to Il wrote:The analytics don’t like Westbrook. Dialed in fans realize he brings a team as many problems as he solves. His salary will keep LA from adding more, useful, players.

But he is fun (in my opinion). If LA is going to be on tv every other night, they might as well be fun.

I agree that in terms of contributing to wins WB is pretty close to net neutral, especially at his age. But here's the thing, Lebron has a way of finding things for people to do, and then he tells them to do it, and then they do it, and then Lebron goes to the Finals. It's not just Lebron gives assists therefore Lebron makes his teammates better, it's moreso that you either align your game to his way of winning or you're gone.

TLDR: I'm sure they've worked out some way of making WB impactful on the Lakers.


Obviously AD is a stud defensively. Im not sure its fair to expect LeBron and Westbrook to lock down star players, at their age and mileage. Both will jump in the passing lanes and get steals, and both are physically strong for their positions. But lets talk playoff basketball. They now have a few guys that can be exploited defensively, and they lack outside shooting. So when they play the Warriors, Suns, Blazers, Nuggets, etc they will be trading 2s for 3s. And the opponent’s 3’s will come easier than their own 2’s. Its just not a great approach. I acknowledge your point, I even agree that LeBron is a great conductor. But his orchestra has one really talented musician with a unibrow, a new guy that wants to take every solo, and a bunch of really limited guys.
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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#702 » by LedZepp007 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:57 am

Lakers def got worse IMHO


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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#703 » by Pachinko_ » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:14 am

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Licensed to Il wrote:The analytics don’t like Westbrook. Dialed in fans realize he brings a team as many problems as he solves. His salary will keep LA from adding more, useful, players.

But he is fun (in my opinion). If LA is going to be on tv every other night, they might as well be fun.

I agree that in terms of contributing to wins WB is pretty close to net neutral, especially at his age. But here's the thing, Lebron has a way of finding things for people to do, and then he tells them to do it, and then they do it, and then Lebron goes to the Finals. It's not just Lebron gives assists therefore Lebron makes his teammates better, it's moreso that you either align your game to his way of winning or you're gone.

TLDR: I'm sure they've worked out some way of making WB impactful on the Lakers.


Obviously AD is a stud defensively. Im not sure its fair to expect LeBron and Westbrook to lock down star players, at their age and mileage. Both will jump in the passing lanes and get steals, and both are physically strong for their positions. But lets talk playoff basketball. They now have a few guys that can be exploited defensively, and they lack outside shooting. So when they play the Warriors, Suns, Blazers, Nuggets, etc they will be trading 2s for 3s. And the opponent’s 3’s will come easier than their own 2’s. Its just not a great approach. I acknowledge your point, I even agree that LeBron is a great conductor. But his orchestra has one really talented musician with a unibrow, a new guy that wants to take every solo, and a bunch of really limited guys.

Yeah I don't know, to be honest I had similar concerns with the Nets. And then what I found out in that series is that injured and old offensive specialists can actually play pretty good defense for half an hour if it's a matter of life and death, and also that for long stretches when both teams are grinding a nice mid range bucket is celebrated like a gift from heaven, because really that's what it feels like.
I'm sure they'll find someone to chuck a few threes for them with half-decent efficiency off Lebron assists, at the end of the day most of those 3s in the analytics era are more about taking them than actually making them. Besides, Lebron's Lakers won it all in 19/20 while being 8th from the bottom in 3s taken and 9th from the bottom in 3point efficiency.
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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#704 » by bbbarnett47 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:38 am

Westbrook to LA is very odd to me. An already bad shooting team gets rid of their most consistent 3nD guy, a serviceable shooter in Kuzma, and adds an aging non-factor outside of the paint. They are strapped for cash and the move seems very Nets-esque - in theory it sounds good but games are played on the court not paper and this isn't 2016.

Interested to see how they fill out their roster given the players they have left as pending FA's. Schroeder, Drummond, Caruso.... just a weird situation for them. They would've been better suited to find a PG that can actually shoot but as a Bucks fan, I'm ok with the outcome.
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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#705 » by ibanezjp » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:30 am

Pachinko_ wrote:
Licensed to Il wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:I agree that in terms of contributing to wins WB is pretty close to net neutral, especially at his age. But here's the thing, Lebron has a way of finding things for people to do, and then he tells them to do it, and then they do it, and then Lebron goes to the Finals. It's not just Lebron gives assists therefore Lebron makes his teammates better, it's moreso that you either align your game to his way of winning or you're gone.

TLDR: I'm sure they've worked out some way of making WB impactful on the Lakers.


Obviously AD is a stud defensively. Im not sure its fair to expect LeBron and Westbrook to lock down star players, at their age and mileage. Both will jump in the passing lanes and get steals, and both are physically strong for their positions. But lets talk playoff basketball. They now have a few guys that can be exploited defensively, and they lack outside shooting. So when they play the Warriors, Suns, Blazers, Nuggets, etc they will be trading 2s for 3s. And the opponent’s 3’s will come easier than their own 2’s. Its just not a great approach. I acknowledge your point, I even agree that LeBron is a great conductor. But his orchestra has one really talented musician with a unibrow, a new guy that wants to take every solo, and a bunch of really limited guys.

Yeah I don't know, to be honest I had similar concerns with the Nets. And then what I found out in that series is that injured and old offensive specialists can actually play pretty good defense for half an hour if it's a matter of life and death, and also that for long stretches when both teams are grinding a nice mid range bucket is celebrated like a gift from heaven, because really that's what it feels like.
I'm sure they'll find someone to chuck a few threes for them with half-decent efficiency off Lebron assists, at the end of the day most of those 3s in the analytics era are more about taking them than actually making them. Besides, Lebron's Lakers won it all in 19/20 while being 8th from the bottom in 3s taken and 9th from the bottom in 3point efficiency.


I thought of the Nets as well. I was in the camp that the Nets would flame out when they got Harden but they really made it work all together and then I was even more amazed at how good the Nets were on defense at times during our series with them given how little they seemed to care about defense during the regular season. One theory I could see for them getting Westbrook is he can basically do a lot during the regular season while Lebron can coast but come playoff time Westbrook will take less shots and will be focused on defense and making the right play for the team and then Lebron can take over. He hasn’t ever really had to be 3rd fiddle because even early in OKC most people thought he was ahead of Harden. Big picture though. None of it matters if AD can’t stay healthy. Without him they are what they were this year. A 7th/8th seed team out in the first round.
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Re: ATL - Memphis-Pelicans deal, pg. 24 

Post#706 » by DrWood » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:08 am

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Bucksfan28 wrote:Like that deal for PHX. Wouldve loved to get Shamet.


Shamet is unplayable.


He'll fit right in with every other player on the roster who has had that said about them.

He's in the Bryn Forbes mold.
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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#707 » by Milbucks96 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:16 am

Went to the raptor board to see what they’re saying about the crazy Barnes pick and they’re on pg 76 about it, it’s crazy how many people are on that board. They really run this site lol
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Re: ATL - Memphis-Pelicans deal, pg. 24 

Post#708 » by th87 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:39 am

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Lol. Sometimes tweets like this are playing the hindsight game but that Plumlee signing was obviously dumb the minute it happened.

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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#709 » by Coach Carter » Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:33 am

Milbucks96 wrote:Went to the raptor board to see what they’re saying about the crazy Barnes pick and they’re on pg 76 about it, it’s crazy how many people are on that board. They really run this site lol


They don't like the pick. Just falling out the top 3 sucks. Mobley or Green would've been great additions.
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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#710 » by benultimate » Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:43 am

Wizards pretty deep after the Westbrook trade. Just not enough top end talent. Beal as your best player and.... Trez?? Rui? as your second best player?

Hope Kuzma doesn't get in the way of Deni Avdija's development, he's the one I feel could develop into a respectable second banana
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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#711 » by brettski » Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:59 am

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Maybe I'm missing something but what could a win now team like the Jazz want off OKC? Shae? Dort? Walker?

Edit: Shae is the only salary that makes sense.
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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#712 » by LuessiT » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:15 pm

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Maybe I'm missing something but what could a win now team like the Jazz want off OKC? Shae? Dort? Walker?

Edit: Shae is the only salary that makes sense.


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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#713 » by crkone » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:20 pm

Milbucks96 wrote:Went to the raptor board to see what they’re saying about the crazy Barnes pick and they’re on pg 76 about it, it’s crazy how many people are on that board. They really run this site lol


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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#714 » by brettski » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:23 pm

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Maybe I'm missing something but what could a win now team like the Jazz want off OKC? Shae? Dort? Walker?

Edit: Shae is the only salary that makes sense.


Read on Twitter


Just a dump.


Wow just a salary dump from the team with the best record last season... guess they want to spend that money elsewhere and hope it improves them.
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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#715 » by machu46 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:44 pm

brettski wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
brettski wrote:
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Maybe I'm missing something but what could a win now team like the Jazz want off OKC? Shae? Dort? Walker?

Edit: Shae is the only salary that makes sense.


Read on Twitter


Just a dump.


Wow just a salary dump from the team with the best record last season... guess they want to spend that money elsewhere and hope it improves them.


They're just trying to get under the luxury tax.
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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#716 » by MiltownHawkeye » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:50 pm

It's more likely that Westbrook isn't on the Lakers anymore at the deadline than it is that he helps them get to the Finals lol
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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#717 » by tedbrogen » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:35 pm

MiltownHawkeye wrote:It's more likely that Westbrook isn't on the Lakers anymore at the deadline than it is that he helps them get to the Finals lol


Maybe they are hoping he can be traded for CP3 again?

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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#718 » by StickeeFingaz » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:47 pm

My god, Bill Simmons has the worst analogies. He somehow compared Buddy Hield's contract to having a NordicTrack in your house? WTF.
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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#719 » by Licensed to Il » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:48 pm

StickeeFingaz wrote:My god, Bill Simmons has the worst analogies. He somehow compared Buddy Hield's contract to having a NordicTrack in your house? WTF.


I enjoyed his writing when he was a fresh out of college bartender. He has been pretty dooshy for the last 12 years.
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Re: ATL - Westbrook to LAL, pg. 24 

Post#720 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:52 pm

Raptors having Suggs fall into their lap and passing on him is hilarious. Masai better hope that Barnes is like peak Draymond with better scoring.

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